[GK3]

<p>Now I can see why Shaw did a very UnShaw like thing and for for 4th and 4.&nbsp; Last year we could pretty much count on being able to put an opponent inside his 10.&nbsp; This year looks like an adventure I would rather not undertake.&nbsp; Shaw kept saying how good he is, and maybe he is and what we saw today was only youth and inexperience.&nbsp; I hope that turns out to be the case.</p>

[GK3]

<p>Now I can see why Shaw did a very UnShaw like thing and for for 4th and 4.&nbsp; Last year we could pretty much count on being able to put an opponent inside his 10.&nbsp; This year looks like an adventure I would rather not undertake.&nbsp; Shaw kept saying how good he is, and maybe he is and what we saw today was only youth and inexperience.&nbsp; I hope that turns out to be the case.</p>

[martyup]

<p>Yes, I think we are going to really miss Bailey.&nbsp; Without him,&nbsp;several wins last season would have been losses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[martyup]

<p>Yes, I think we are going to really miss Bailey.&nbsp; Without him,&nbsp;several wins last season would have been losses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[needle]

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</p><p>Yes, I think we are going to really miss Bailey.&nbsp; Without him,&nbsp;several wins last season would have been losses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>

<br></p><p><br></p><p>Ryan Sanborn didn't have a great day, but he's a freshman who didn't fumble the snap on the last punt. I was actually pretty worried something would go horribly wrong.<br></p>

[needle]

<p>

</p><p>Yes, I think we are going to really miss Bailey.&nbsp; Without him,&nbsp;several wins last season would have been losses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>

<br></p><p><br></p><p>Ryan Sanborn didn't have a great day, but he's a freshman who didn't fumble the snap on the last punt. I was actually pretty worried something would go horribly wrong.<br></p>

[Austroturf]

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</p><p>

</p><p>Yes, I think we are going to really miss Bailey.&nbsp; Without him,&nbsp;several wins last season would have been losses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>

<br></p><p><br></p><p>Ryan Sanborn didn't have a great day, but he's a freshman who didn't fumble the snap on the last punt. I was actually pretty worried something would go horribly wrong.<br></p><p>

</p><p><br></p><p>True.&nbsp; I had that Michigan-Michigan State game finale in mind from a couple years ago.&nbsp; Harbaugh's face after that gaffe is still fresh in my mind.&nbsp; And the Wolverine surrender-cobras went viral.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[Austroturf]

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</p><p>

</p><p>Yes, I think we are going to really miss Bailey.&nbsp; Without him,&nbsp;several wins last season would have been losses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>

<br></p><p><br></p><p>Ryan Sanborn didn't have a great day, but he's a freshman who didn't fumble the snap on the last punt. I was actually pretty worried something would go horribly wrong.<br></p><p>

</p><p><br></p><p>True.&nbsp; I had that Michigan-Michigan State game finale in mind from a couple years ago.&nbsp; Harbaugh's face after that gaffe is still fresh in my mind.&nbsp; And the Wolverine surrender-cobras went viral.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[Mick]

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</p><p>

</p><p>Yes, I think we are going to really miss Bailey.&nbsp; Without him,&nbsp;several wins last season would have been losses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>

<br></p><p><br></p><p>Ryan Sanborn didn't have a great day, but he's a freshman who didn't fumble the snap on the last punt. I was actually pretty worried something would go horribly wrong.<br></p><p>

</p><p><br></p><p>They say that the greatest improvement during a season happens from the first game to the second game.&nbsp; To me, it seems like a lot of Stanford's mistakes can be chalked up to a lack of game experience, adrenaline and&nbsp;the need to make some fine tuning adjustments.&nbsp; I doubt his punting will be&nbsp;similarly mediocre&nbsp;against USC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[Mick]

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</p><p>

</p><p>Yes, I think we are going to really miss Bailey.&nbsp; Without him,&nbsp;several wins last season would have been losses.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>

<br></p><p><br></p><p>Ryan Sanborn didn't have a great day, but he's a freshman who didn't fumble the snap on the last punt. I was actually pretty worried something would go horribly wrong.<br></p><p>

</p><p><br></p><p>They say that the greatest improvement during a season happens from the first game to the second game.&nbsp; To me, it seems like a lot of Stanford's mistakes can be chalked up to a lack of game experience, adrenaline and&nbsp;the need to make some fine tuning adjustments.&nbsp; I doubt his punting will be&nbsp;similarly mediocre&nbsp;against USC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[winflop]

They say that the greatest improvement during a season happens from the first game to the second game.&nbsp; To me, it seems like a lot of Stanford's mistakes can be chalked up to a lack of game experience, adrenaline and&nbsp;the need to make some fine tuning adjustments.&nbsp; I doubt his punting will be&nbsp;similarly mediocre&nbsp;against USC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

I'm far more concerned about the coaching decisions on when to punt and when to kick a FG. And that's not a first game to second game thing. That's a Shaw thing.

[winflop]

They say that the greatest improvement during a season happens from the first game to the second game.&nbsp; To me, it seems like a lot of Stanford's mistakes can be chalked up to a lack of game experience, adrenaline and&nbsp;the need to make some fine tuning adjustments.&nbsp; I doubt his punting will be&nbsp;similarly mediocre&nbsp;against USC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

I'm far more concerned about the coaching decisions on when to punt and when to kick a FG. And that's not a first game to second game thing. That's a Shaw thing.

[Hurlburt88]

IIRC, the first punt seemed well angled and NU started at their 15.    Not the 5 or 10, but inside the 20.

[Hurlburt88]

IIRC, the first punt seemed well angled and NU started at their 15.    Not the 5 or 10, but inside the 20.

[CardinalSagehen]

<p>I&nbsp;agree that we don’t want to read too much into the guy’s first game, but it was really, really bad. I didn’t see any hang time, distance or placement on any of the punts. Between the touchbacks and the line drives, we netted so little yardage. &nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Punting is essential to Shaw’s field position, aka&nbsp;turtling, strategy. There was even a line drive punt during crunch time that led to a big NW return and great field position.&nbsp;We were spoilt with Bailey, a H.eisman-worthy punter. &nbsp;I know Sanborn&nbsp;will improve, though. &nbsp;</p>

[CardinalSagehen]

<p>I&nbsp;agree that we don’t want to read too much into the guy’s first game, but it was really, really bad. I didn’t see any hang time, distance or placement on any of the punts. Between the touchbacks and the line drives, we netted so little yardage. &nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Punting is essential to Shaw’s field position, aka&nbsp;turtling, strategy. There was even a line drive punt during crunch time that led to a big NW return and great field position.&nbsp;We were spoilt with Bailey, a H.eisman-worthy punter. &nbsp;I know Sanborn&nbsp;will improve, though. &nbsp;</p>

[Mick]

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They say that the greatest improvement during a season happens from the first game to the second game.&nbsp; To me, it seems like a lot of Stanford's mistakes can be chalked up to a lack of game experience, adrenaline and&nbsp;the need to make some fine tuning adjustments.&nbsp; I doubt his punting will be&nbsp;similarly mediocre&nbsp;against USC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p></p><p>

I'm far more concerned about the coaching decisions on when to punt and when to kick a FG. And that's not a first game to second game thing. That's a Shaw&nbsp;thing.

</p><p><br></p><p>Agreed completely.&nbsp; There were some headscratchers in some early decisions to refrain from field goal attempts.&nbsp; And Toner's 51 yard successful attempt was at least another 10 yards in the air.</p>

[Mick]

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They say that the greatest improvement during a season happens from the first game to the second game.&nbsp; To me, it seems like a lot of Stanford's mistakes can be chalked up to a lack of game experience, adrenaline and&nbsp;the need to make some fine tuning adjustments.&nbsp; I doubt his punting will be&nbsp;similarly mediocre&nbsp;against USC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p></p><p>

I'm far more concerned about the coaching decisions on when to punt and when to kick a FG. And that's not a first game to second game thing. That's a Shaw&nbsp;thing.

</p><p><br></p><p>Agreed completely.&nbsp; There were some headscratchers in some early decisions to refrain from field goal attempts.&nbsp; And Toner's 51 yard successful attempt was at least another 10 yards in the air.</p>

[JohnR34231]

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</p><p>

They say that the greatest improvement during a season happens from the first game to the second game.&nbsp; To me, it seems like a lot of Stanford's mistakes can be chalked up to a lack of game experience, adrenaline and&nbsp;the need to make some fine tuning adjustments.&nbsp; I doubt his punting will be&nbsp;similarly mediocre&nbsp;against USC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p></p><p>

I'm far more concerned about the coaching decisions on when to punt and when to kick a FG. And that's not a first game to second game thing. That's a Shaw&nbsp;thing.

</p><p><br></p><p>Agreed completely.&nbsp; There were some headscratchers in some early decisions to refrain from field goal attempts.&nbsp; And Toner's 51 yard successful attempt was at least another 10 yards in the air.</p><p>

</p><p><br></p><p>Yeah, well perhaps the silver lining in the cloud is maybe the fact that we no longer have a punter who can pin the opponents inside their ten will encourage Shaw to try more long field goals (which Toner is capable of making).</p>

[JohnR34231]

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</p><p>

They say that the greatest improvement during a season happens from the first game to the second game.&nbsp; To me, it seems like a lot of Stanford's mistakes can be chalked up to a lack of game experience, adrenaline and&nbsp;the need to make some fine tuning adjustments.&nbsp; I doubt his punting will be&nbsp;similarly mediocre&nbsp;against USC.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p></p><p>

I'm far more concerned about the coaching decisions on when to punt and when to kick a FG. And that's not a first game to second game thing. That's a Shaw&nbsp;thing.

</p><p><br></p><p>Agreed completely.&nbsp; There were some headscratchers in some early decisions to refrain from field goal attempts.&nbsp; And Toner's 51 yard successful attempt was at least another 10 yards in the air.</p><p>

</p><p><br></p><p>Yeah, well perhaps the silver lining in the cloud is maybe the fact that we no longer have a punter who can pin the opponents inside their ten will encourage Shaw to try more long field goals (which Toner is capable of making).</p>

[Goose]

<p>I must admit that I sometimes think Shaw says " Watch this. I am going to punt. The Cardboard will go crazy". It must be something like this, as I can see no other possible reason not to try a FG from the 34, unless Toner also got hurt somehow?????<br></p>

[Goose]

<p>I must admit that I sometimes think Shaw says " Watch this. I am going to punt. The Cardboard will go crazy". It must be something like this, as I can see no other possible reason not to try a FG from the 34, unless Toner also got hurt somehow?????<br></p>

[martyup]

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</p><p>I must admit that I sometimes think Shaw says " Watch this. I am going to punt. The Cardboard will go crazy".&nbsp;<br></p><p>

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[martyup]

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</p><p>I must admit that I sometimes think Shaw says " Watch this. I am going to punt. The Cardboard will go crazy".&nbsp;<br></p><p>

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[GK3]

<p>Last year we could punt from the 35 and probably put the opponent inside the 10, often the 5 with Bailey.&nbsp; It does not appear we will have the luxury, so I can see more 4th down calls, and field goals if punting remains such an adventure.&nbsp; This years defense doesn't need the extra 20 yards to stop the other team.</p>

[GK3]

<p>Last year we could punt from the 35 and probably put the opponent inside the 10, often the 5 with Bailey.&nbsp; It does not appear we will have the luxury, so I can see more 4th down calls, and field goals if punting remains such an adventure.&nbsp; This years defense doesn't need the extra 20 yards to stop the other team.</p>