12-14-2019, 04:12 PM
Baylor in 4 over Washington to the Final 4
Wisconsin -Nebraska next
Wisconsin -Nebraska next
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NCAA Championship Women’s volleyball wins the National Championship
NCAA Championship Women’s volleyball wins the National Championship
Minnesota punches their ticket 3-0 over Louisville, which had knocked up #2 seed Texas last night.
#1, #4, and #7 now in semi-finals.
Nebraska, Minnesota, and Penn State all tied one game back of Wisconsin in the Big10 this year.
#1, #4, and #7 now in semi-finals.
Nebraska, Minnesota, and Penn State all tied one game back of Wisconsin in the Big10 this year.
Minnesota punches their ticket 3-0 over Louisville, which had knocked up #2 seed Texas last night.
#1, #4, and #7 now in semi-finals.
Nebraska, Minnesota, and Penn State all tied one game back of Wisconsin in the Big10 this year.
#1, #4, and #7 now in semi-finals.
Nebraska, Minnesota, and Penn State all tied one game back of Wisconsin in the Big10 this year.
12-14-2019, 08:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-14-2019, 08:31 PM by DenverCard.)
I don't pretend to know squat about volleyball, but even I can see that Stanford has no block to speak of thus far (19-14 Penn State in the first set).
Spoke too soon. Last two points for Stanford via blocks. Now 23-22.
Spoke too soon. Last two points for Stanford via blocks. Now 23-22.
(This post was last modified: 12-14-2019, 08:31 PM by DenverCard.)
I don't pretend to know squat about volleyball, but even I can see that Stanford has no block to speak of thus far (19-14 Penn State in the first set).
Spoke too soon. Last two points for Stanford via blocks. Now 23-22.
Spoke too soon. Last two points for Stanford via blocks. Now 23-22.
12-14-2019, 08:45 PM
Did we take the first set?
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
12-14-2019, 09:16 PM
Watching now. What a dominant performance. Right on Card!
Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
12-14-2019, 09:38 PM
3-0, and sets to 22, 15, and 17.
Who knew that the #5 seed Utah would be so much tougher than the #2 seed Penn State.
BC
Who knew that the #5 seed Utah would be so much tougher than the #2 seed Penn State.
BC
3-0, and sets to 22, 15, and 17.
Who knew that the #5 seed Utah would be so much tougher than the #2 seed Penn State.
BC
Who knew that the #5 seed Utah would be so much tougher than the #2 seed Penn State.
BC
12-14-2019, 11:48 PM
(12-14-2019, 06:04 AM)81alum Wrote:(12-14-2019, 12:54 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: I'll never understand, though, how a team can go so flat so quickly from one set to the next.The announcers said something about that and it registered with neophyte volleyball watcher me.
In basketball or baseball or football if you have a lousy quarter/inning, the score stays with you and carries forward. Only in Volleyball does the margin of your victory for that unit get "flushed."
This difference gives Volleyball a completely different psychology than all of those other sports--you don't have to live with your past mistakes during a game nearly as much as in all those other sports.
This explains the wild fluctuations. Once one side gets too far ahead in a set, the motivation to fight hard on the other side wanes. Losing by a lesser deficit doesn't do you any good. But once you have lost the set it matters not one bit how badly you just played since you are starting from scratch again. Demoralization doesn't carry forward in the same sense as it does with all those other sports.
I'm not sure whether this psychological difference is a good thing or a bad thing. It certainly makes 5 set games exciting. But it is also a little like the electoral college. You can win three sets by the narrowest of margins and lose 2 sets by massive deficits and win the match.
For example, Gonzaga outscored us in WBB in 3/4 quarters. Under volleyball type rules that game would never have gone to overtime.
Someone who actually knows volleyball rules and strategy should correct me but I believe that coaches can adjust the starting point of service rotations from game to game, to try to gain an advantage offensively and/or defensively. The coaches don’t know what moves the other will make so the matchups can change quite a bit and momentum can shift dramatically as a result.
(12-14-2019, 06:04 AM)81alum Wrote:(12-14-2019, 12:54 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: I'll never understand, though, how a team can go so flat so quickly from one set to the next.The announcers said something about that and it registered with neophyte volleyball watcher me.
In basketball or baseball or football if you have a lousy quarter/inning, the score stays with you and carries forward. Only in Volleyball does the margin of your victory for that unit get "flushed."
This difference gives Volleyball a completely different psychology than all of those other sports--you don't have to live with your past mistakes during a game nearly as much as in all those other sports.
This explains the wild fluctuations. Once one side gets too far ahead in a set, the motivation to fight hard on the other side wanes. Losing by a lesser deficit doesn't do you any good. But once you have lost the set it matters not one bit how badly you just played since you are starting from scratch again. Demoralization doesn't carry forward in the same sense as it does with all those other sports.
I'm not sure whether this psychological difference is a good thing or a bad thing. It certainly makes 5 set games exciting. But it is also a little like the electoral college. You can win three sets by the narrowest of margins and lose 2 sets by massive deficits and win the match.
For example, Gonzaga outscored us in WBB in 3/4 quarters. Under volleyball type rules that game would never have gone to overtime.
Someone who actually knows volleyball rules and strategy should correct me but I believe that coaches can adjust the starting point of service rotations from game to game, to try to gain an advantage offensively and/or defensively. The coaches don’t know what moves the other will make so the matchups can change quite a bit and momentum can shift dramatically as a result.
12-15-2019, 12:22 AM
(12-14-2019, 11:48 PM)UltimateCard Wrote:(12-14-2019, 06:04 AM)81alum Wrote:(12-14-2019, 12:54 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: I'll never understand, though, how a team can go so flat so quickly from one set to the next.The announcers said something about that and it registered with neophyte volleyball watcher me.
In basketball or baseball or football if you have a lousy quarter/inning, the score stays with you and carries forward. Only in Volleyball does the margin of your victory for that unit get "flushed."
This difference gives Volleyball a completely different psychology than all of those other sports--you don't have to live with your past mistakes during a game nearly as much as in all those other sports.
This explains the wild fluctuations. Once one side gets too far ahead in a set, the motivation to fight hard on the other side wanes. Losing by a lesser deficit doesn't do you any good. But once you have lost the set it matters not one bit how badly you just played since you are starting from scratch again. Demoralization doesn't carry forward in the same sense as it does with all those other sports.
I'm not sure whether this psychological difference is a good thing or a bad thing. It certainly makes 5 set games exciting. But it is also a little like the electoral college. You can win three sets by the narrowest of margins and lose 2 sets by massive deficits and win the match.
For example, Gonzaga outscored us in WBB in 3/4 quarters. Under volleyball type rules that game would never have gone to overtime.
Someone who actually knows volleyball rules and strategy should correct me but I believe that coaches can adjust the starting point of service rotations from game to game, to try to gain an advantage offensively and/or defensively. The coaches don’t know what moves the other will make so the matchups can change quite a bit and momentum can shift dramatically as a result.
That is correct. It’s what they refer to as spinning the dial. If my memory serves me well, I believe Meghan McClure started at the left front instead of Kathryn Plummer in set 4 against Utah.
(12-14-2019, 11:48 PM)UltimateCard Wrote:(12-14-2019, 06:04 AM)81alum Wrote:(12-14-2019, 12:54 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: I'll never understand, though, how a team can go so flat so quickly from one set to the next.The announcers said something about that and it registered with neophyte volleyball watcher me.
In basketball or baseball or football if you have a lousy quarter/inning, the score stays with you and carries forward. Only in Volleyball does the margin of your victory for that unit get "flushed."
This difference gives Volleyball a completely different psychology than all of those other sports--you don't have to live with your past mistakes during a game nearly as much as in all those other sports.
This explains the wild fluctuations. Once one side gets too far ahead in a set, the motivation to fight hard on the other side wanes. Losing by a lesser deficit doesn't do you any good. But once you have lost the set it matters not one bit how badly you just played since you are starting from scratch again. Demoralization doesn't carry forward in the same sense as it does with all those other sports.
I'm not sure whether this psychological difference is a good thing or a bad thing. It certainly makes 5 set games exciting. But it is also a little like the electoral college. You can win three sets by the narrowest of margins and lose 2 sets by massive deficits and win the match.
For example, Gonzaga outscored us in WBB in 3/4 quarters. Under volleyball type rules that game would never have gone to overtime.
Someone who actually knows volleyball rules and strategy should correct me but I believe that coaches can adjust the starting point of service rotations from game to game, to try to gain an advantage offensively and/or defensively. The coaches don’t know what moves the other will make so the matchups can change quite a bit and momentum can shift dramatically as a result.
That is correct. It’s what they refer to as spinning the dial. If my memory serves me well, I believe Meghan McClure started at the left front instead of Kathryn Plummer in set 4 against Utah.
12-15-2019, 12:44 AM
(12-14-2019, 09:38 PM)BostonCard Wrote: 3-0, and sets to 22, 15, and 17.
Who knew that the #5 seed Utah would be so much tougher than the #2 seed Penn State.
BC
Tbf, as GoStanford points out, we put on an offensive showcase tonight in hitting .525 for the match.
While two components (our offense and PSU's defense) go into that percentage, I am not sure
we can conclusively say Utah was so much tougher than Penn State, rather than Penn State was
unfortunate to get the absolute very best out of the Cardinal and Stanford's seniors in their final match
at Maples. To wit, for most of the first set (up until our comeback), Penn State was plenty tough. If anything,
losing that first set had to have been pretty demoralizing.
(12-14-2019, 09:38 PM)BostonCard Wrote: 3-0, and sets to 22, 15, and 17.
Who knew that the #5 seed Utah would be so much tougher than the #2 seed Penn State.
BC
Tbf, as GoStanford points out, we put on an offensive showcase tonight in hitting .525 for the match.
While two components (our offense and PSU's defense) go into that percentage, I am not sure
we can conclusively say Utah was so much tougher than Penn State, rather than Penn State was
unfortunate to get the absolute very best out of the Cardinal and Stanford's seniors in their final match
at Maples. To wit, for most of the first set (up until our comeback), Penn State was plenty tough. If anything,
losing that first set had to have been pretty demoralizing.
12-15-2019, 07:48 AM
(12-15-2019, 12:44 AM)d4cohn Wrote: To wit, for most of the first set (up until our comeback), Penn State was plenty tough. If anything,I would think so. A young team on the road against an experienced, national champtionship team goes up 6 points in the first set--it must have been a boost of confidence. But after we pulled that first set out, Penn State did not look like the same team that started.
losing that first set had to have been pretty demoralizing.
(12-15-2019, 12:44 AM)d4cohn Wrote: To wit, for most of the first set (up until our comeback), Penn State was plenty tough. If anything,I would think so. A young team on the road against an experienced, national champtionship team goes up 6 points in the first set--it must have been a boost of confidence. But after we pulled that first set out, Penn State did not look like the same team that started.
losing that first set had to have been pretty demoralizing.
12-15-2019, 09:21 AM
utah had several very good hitters, penn state had one. utah seemed to dig everything on defense. we set to plummer much more against penn state.
12-15-2019, 03:18 PM
This will be the 39th NCAA women's volleyball championship. Stanford has now made the final four in 23 of those years. An amazing, consistent excellence spanning three coaches across those 39 years.
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
This will be the 39th NCAA women's volleyball championship. Stanford has now made the final four in 23 of those years. An amazing, consistent excellence spanning three coaches across those 39 years.
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
12-15-2019, 06:29 PM
(12-15-2019, 03:18 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: This will be the 39th NCAA women's volleyball championship. Stanford has now made the final four in 23 of those years. An amazing, consistent excellence spanning three coaches across those 39 years.
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
It's funny, my sister tried to argue with me that Stanford has a lot more variation in outccome than other top programs because their academic standard can create a feast of famine effect (i.e., only in the years when the top players are also top students, Stanford can land a great class). I'll have to share these stats with her.
Also, Stanford and Penn State are the only two schools to participate in all of the tournaments.
(12-15-2019, 03:18 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: This will be the 39th NCAA women's volleyball championship. Stanford has now made the final four in 23 of those years. An amazing, consistent excellence spanning three coaches across those 39 years.
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
It's funny, my sister tried to argue with me that Stanford has a lot more variation in outccome than other top programs because their academic standard can create a feast of famine effect (i.e., only in the years when the top players are also top students, Stanford can land a great class). I'll have to share these stats with her.
Also, Stanford and Penn State are the only two schools to participate in all of the tournaments.
12-15-2019, 07:24 PM
(12-15-2019, 06:29 PM)FarmBoy Wrote:(12-15-2019, 03:18 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: This will be the 39th NCAA women's volleyball championship. Stanford has now made the final four in 23 of those years. An amazing, consistent excellence spanning three coaches across those 39 years.
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
It's funny, my sister tried to argue with me that Stanford has a lot more variation in outccome than other top programs because their academic standard can create a feast of famine effect (i.e., only in the years when the top players are also top students, Stanford can land a great class). I'll have to share these stats with her.
Also, Stanford and Penn State are the only two schools to participate in all of the tournaments.
I think that's true, but more of a problem for some sports than others.
(12-15-2019, 06:29 PM)FarmBoy Wrote:(12-15-2019, 03:18 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: This will be the 39th NCAA women's volleyball championship. Stanford has now made the final four in 23 of those years. An amazing, consistent excellence spanning three coaches across those 39 years.
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
It's funny, my sister tried to argue with me that Stanford has a lot more variation in outccome than other top programs because their academic standard can create a feast of famine effect (i.e., only in the years when the top players are also top students, Stanford can land a great class). I'll have to share these stats with her.
Also, Stanford and Penn State are the only two schools to participate in all of the tournaments.
I think that's true, but more of a problem for some sports than others.
12-16-2019, 09:18 AM
(12-15-2019, 07:24 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:(12-15-2019, 06:29 PM)FarmBoy Wrote:(12-15-2019, 03:18 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: This will be the 39th NCAA women's volleyball championship. Stanford has now made the final four in 23 of those years. An amazing, consistent excellence spanning three coaches across those 39 years.
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
It's funny, my sister tried to argue with me that Stanford has a lot more variation in outccome than other top programs because their academic standard can create a feast of famine effect (i.e., only in the years when the top players are also top students, Stanford can land a great class). I'll have to share these stats with her.
Also, Stanford and Penn State are the only two schools to participate in all of the tournaments.
I think that's true, but more of a problem for some sports than others.
My theory has always been that this is more of an issue in boys'/men's sports because the boys who get into it have dreams of playing professionally, so they feel more free to slack on school. Girls realize that sports is only opening a door but don't get sucked into the idea they could make millions on their athletics so they still need to work/study. So there is a lot more intersection of top female athletes focused on also achieving in academics than boy athletes. So while there is variability, it seems like there is almost always some strong cohort of girls who are killing it on the field and in the classroom. A gross generalization, but I wonder if there's data to back it up.
(12-15-2019, 07:24 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:(12-15-2019, 06:29 PM)FarmBoy Wrote:(12-15-2019, 03:18 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: This will be the 39th NCAA women's volleyball championship. Stanford has now made the final four in 23 of those years. An amazing, consistent excellence spanning three coaches across those 39 years.
Match time set for Thursday. Stanford faces Minnesota in the 2nd semifinal at 6:30 pm pacific (or after the conclusion of the 1st match if it runs long).
It's funny, my sister tried to argue with me that Stanford has a lot more variation in outccome than other top programs because their academic standard can create a feast of famine effect (i.e., only in the years when the top players are also top students, Stanford can land a great class). I'll have to share these stats with her.
Also, Stanford and Penn State are the only two schools to participate in all of the tournaments.
I think that's true, but more of a problem for some sports than others.
My theory has always been that this is more of an issue in boys'/men's sports because the boys who get into it have dreams of playing professionally, so they feel more free to slack on school. Girls realize that sports is only opening a door but don't get sucked into the idea they could make millions on their athletics so they still need to work/study. So there is a lot more intersection of top female athletes focused on also achieving in academics than boy athletes. So while there is variability, it seems like there is almost always some strong cohort of girls who are killing it on the field and in the classroom. A gross generalization, but I wonder if there's data to back it up.
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