12-17-2019, 08:17 PM
But if an imaginary girlfriend dies, is the grief real?
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
5th Year Decision Thread
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
12-18-2019, 06:10 AM
(12-17-2019, 05:58 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Far be it for me to agree with Teejers, but I think that while we cannot know what any particular individual's motivation is, we are not talking about one guy, we are talking about probably five guys for which there isn't an obvious explanation in terms of PT or academics for why they are leaving. Sure, for any one player the explanation might be idiosyncratic (for example, a girlfriend graduating and getting a job somewhere else), but the overall pattern is concerning, especially since this is the second year that we have seen concerning departures (longer if you include ill-advised departures to the NFL).
One note I did think was interesting from Wilner was the idea that the offensive linemen's decision might have been linked to Little's decision to return (though both Hamilton and Hattis would have been guards, and Little would be locking down the LT spot), while Eboh's might have been linked to Adebo's (that's a better comparison, since if Adebo returns, the starters would probably be Adebo and Kelly, while if he declares for the NFL Eboh and Kelly would be the starters). Of course, I have no idea whether that is pure speculation on Wilner's part (probably, given that I'm not sure that Little would have much influence on the guard position) or if he was onto something.
BC
Wilner has no idea what he's talking about regarding the OLs. None of them was targeted to play LT. Eboh lost his starting job to Kelly and McGill was backing him up at least part of the time. Eboh is definitely under the playing time category, even if Adebo leaves early.
My concerns are focused on the three OL & two DL that would either be starting or at least playing significant snaps. The rest I think it's pretty clear they weren't going to get PT.
(12-17-2019, 05:58 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Far be it for me to agree with Teejers, but I think that while we cannot know what any particular individual's motivation is, we are not talking about one guy, we are talking about probably five guys for which there isn't an obvious explanation in terms of PT or academics for why they are leaving. Sure, for any one player the explanation might be idiosyncratic (for example, a girlfriend graduating and getting a job somewhere else), but the overall pattern is concerning, especially since this is the second year that we have seen concerning departures (longer if you include ill-advised departures to the NFL).
One note I did think was interesting from Wilner was the idea that the offensive linemen's decision might have been linked to Little's decision to return (though both Hamilton and Hattis would have been guards, and Little would be locking down the LT spot), while Eboh's might have been linked to Adebo's (that's a better comparison, since if Adebo returns, the starters would probably be Adebo and Kelly, while if he declares for the NFL Eboh and Kelly would be the starters). Of course, I have no idea whether that is pure speculation on Wilner's part (probably, given that I'm not sure that Little would have much influence on the guard position) or if he was onto something.
BC
Wilner has no idea what he's talking about regarding the OLs. None of them was targeted to play LT. Eboh lost his starting job to Kelly and McGill was backing him up at least part of the time. Eboh is definitely under the playing time category, even if Adebo leaves early.
My concerns are focused on the three OL & two DL that would either be starting or at least playing significant snaps. The rest I think it's pretty clear they weren't going to get PT.
Quote:Wilner has no idea what he's talking about regarding the OLs. None of them was targeted to play LT. Eboh lost his starting job to Kelly and McGill was backing him up at least part of the time. Eboh is definitely under the playing time category, even if Adebo leaves early.
My concerns are focused on the three OL & two DL that would either be starting or at least playing significant snaps. The rest I think it's pretty clear they weren't going to get PT.
Eboh started ahead of McGill at the end of season when Adeebo got hurt. McGill was primarily used as nickel. We don't have a lot of depth at CB. I put Eboh in the same bucket as Hattis. He isn't a star but he could possibly start and would at least provide important depth. Swann in my opinion is by far the biggest loss followed by Williams and Hamilton.
Quote:Wilner has no idea what he's talking about regarding the OLs. None of them was targeted to play LT. Eboh lost his starting job to Kelly and McGill was backing him up at least part of the time. Eboh is definitely under the playing time category, even if Adebo leaves early.
My concerns are focused on the three OL & two DL that would either be starting or at least playing significant snaps. The rest I think it's pretty clear they weren't going to get PT.
Eboh started ahead of McGill at the end of season when Adeebo got hurt. McGill was primarily used as nickel. We don't have a lot of depth at CB. I put Eboh in the same bucket as Hattis. He isn't a star but he could possibly start and would at least provide important depth. Swann in my opinion is by far the biggest loss followed by Williams and Hamilton.
12-18-2019, 08:41 AM
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I applied. But you have to run a 4.5 40 to be an Alabama ball boy. I was 5 seconds off. I did get in to their advanced football studies Masters Program.
(12-17-2019, 11:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Lex, when you retired from Stanford sideline duties did you go into the Game Officials Portal and hope you could carry the ball to Tuscaloosa?
I applied. But you have to run a 4.5 40 to be an Alabama ball boy. I was 5 seconds off. I did get in to their advanced football studies Masters Program.
(12-17-2019, 11:57 AM)Phogge Wrote: Lex, when you retired from Stanford sideline duties did you go into the Game Officials Portal and hope you could carry the ball to Tuscaloosa?
12-18-2019, 12:35 PM
given we signed two highly regarded running backs in this class (Smith and Filkins) I would not be surprised if Maddox and/or Speights are not back next year.
no word that I've seen on the extent of Toner's kicking leg injury which may or may not factor into what he does next year
no word that I've seen on the extent of Toner's kicking leg injury which may or may not factor into what he does next year
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
given we signed two highly regarded running backs in this class (Smith and Filkins) I would not be surprised if Maddox and/or Speights are not back next year.
no word that I've seen on the extent of Toner's kicking leg injury which may or may not factor into what he does next year
no word that I've seen on the extent of Toner's kicking leg injury which may or may not factor into what he does next year
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
12-18-2019, 12:57 PM
The Speights thing is weird. He was clearly a solid contributor his junior year, so much so that some (not me) wanted him to start ahead of Scarlett this year. Then he got injured.
Maddox, also, was a contributor his junior year and this year, before Austin Jones began to infringe on his carry count. I think he'd contribute next year, too, but it looks like we need the scholies.
-m.
Maddox, also, was a contributor his junior year and this year, before Austin Jones began to infringe on his carry count. I think he'd contribute next year, too, but it looks like we need the scholies.
-m.
The Speights thing is weird. He was clearly a solid contributor his junior year, so much so that some (not me) wanted him to start ahead of Scarlett this year. Then he got injured.
Maddox, also, was a contributor his junior year and this year, before Austin Jones began to infringe on his carry count. I think he'd contribute next year, too, but it looks like we need the scholies.
-m.
Maddox, also, was a contributor his junior year and this year, before Austin Jones began to infringe on his carry count. I think he'd contribute next year, too, but it looks like we need the scholies.
-m.
12-18-2019, 01:03 PM
(12-18-2019, 12:57 PM)Langdude Wrote: The Speights thing is weird. He was clearly a solid contributor his junior year, so much so that some (not me) wanted him to start ahead of Scarlett this year. Then he got injured.FWIW- Maddox participated in Senior Day and Speights did not
Maddox, also, was a contributor his junior year and this year, before Austin Jones began to infringe on his carry count. I think he'd contribute next year, too, but it looks like we need the scholies.
-m.
(12-18-2019, 12:57 PM)Langdude Wrote: The Speights thing is weird. He was clearly a solid contributor his junior year, so much so that some (not me) wanted him to start ahead of Scarlett this year. Then he got injured.FWIW- Maddox participated in Senior Day and Speights did not
Maddox, also, was a contributor his junior year and this year, before Austin Jones began to infringe on his carry count. I think he'd contribute next year, too, but it looks like we need the scholies.
-m.
12-18-2019, 06:35 PM
(12-18-2019, 06:19 PM)2006alum Wrote: Interesting take from Mandel:
www.twitter.com/slmandel/status/1207460674969821185
And the subsquent tweet:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1207462346408394758?s=20[/tweet]
(12-18-2019, 06:19 PM)2006alum Wrote: Interesting take from Mandel:
www.twitter.com/slmandel/status/1207460674969821185
And the subsquent tweet:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1207462346408394758?s=20[/tweet]
12-18-2019, 06:51 PM
(12-18-2019, 06:10 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: Costello is in the portal.
I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
(12-18-2019, 06:10 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: Costello is in the portal.
I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
12-18-2019, 07:13 PM
(12-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
Here's 38 universities listed as having either senior or redshirt senior QBs in 2019:
Washington St.
LSU
San Jose St.
Oklahoma
Troy
Liberty
Oregon
Virginia
North Texas
Utah
La.-Monroe
Western Mich.
Eastern Mich.
Michigan
Louisiana Tech
Colorado
Notre Dame
Michigan St.
Iowa
Oregon St.
Ohio
Kansas
Fresno St.
Georgia St.
FIU
Tulane
Missouri
Western Ky.
San Diego St.
Central Mich.
Duke
Arizona
Vanderbilt
UTEP
Toledo
Rice
Boise St.
Navy
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(12-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
Here's 38 universities listed as having either senior or redshirt senior QBs in 2019:
Washington St.
LSU
San Jose St.
Oklahoma
Troy
Liberty
Oregon
Virginia
North Texas
Utah
La.-Monroe
Western Mich.
Eastern Mich.
Michigan
Louisiana Tech
Colorado
Notre Dame
Michigan St.
Iowa
Oregon St.
Ohio
Kansas
Fresno St.
Georgia St.
FIU
Tulane
Missouri
Western Ky.
San Diego St.
Central Mich.
Duke
Arizona
Vanderbilt
UTEP
Toledo
Rice
Boise St.
Navy
Audaces fortuna iuvat
12-18-2019, 07:23 PM
(12-18-2019, 07:13 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
Here's 38 universities listed as having either senior or redshirt senior QBs in 2019:
<snip>
Certainly some possibilities there. Many of these schools have guys that are waiting in the wings, so that would probably not be real attractive to KJ. San Diego State would have been interesting, but I think Jack Sears just beat him to it. KJ also probably wants to go to a program that is good enough to allow him a chance at big numbers. I still wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
(12-18-2019, 07:13 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
Here's 38 universities listed as having either senior or redshirt senior QBs in 2019:
<snip>
Certainly some possibilities there. Many of these schools have guys that are waiting in the wings, so that would probably not be real attractive to KJ. San Diego State would have been interesting, but I think Jack Sears just beat him to it. KJ also probably wants to go to a program that is good enough to allow him a chance at big numbers. I still wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
12-18-2019, 07:31 PM
(12-18-2019, 07:13 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
Here's 38 universities listed as having either senior or redshirt senior QBs in 2019:
...
KJ will get a ton of interest, and can certainly go to a P5 or high-ranked G5 team. We should also consider teams where a junior QB is a legit NFL prospect: Alabama, Georgia, Washington, Wake Forest. That leaves a list of 24:
Washington St.
LSU
Oklahoma
Troy
Oregon
Virginia
Utah
Michigan
Colorado
Notre Dame
Michigan St.
Iowa
Oregon St.
Kansas
Fresno St.
Missouri
Duke
Arizona
Vanderbilt
Boise St.
Alabama
Georgia
Washington
Wake Forest
(12-18-2019, 07:13 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
Here's 38 universities listed as having either senior or redshirt senior QBs in 2019:
...
KJ will get a ton of interest, and can certainly go to a P5 or high-ranked G5 team. We should also consider teams where a junior QB is a legit NFL prospect: Alabama, Georgia, Washington, Wake Forest. That leaves a list of 24:
Washington St.
LSU
Oklahoma
Troy
Oregon
Virginia
Utah
Michigan
Colorado
Notre Dame
Michigan St.
Iowa
Oregon St.
Kansas
Fresno St.
Missouri
Duke
Arizona
Vanderbilt
Boise St.
Alabama
Georgia
Washington
Wake Forest
12-18-2019, 07:36 PM
(12-18-2019, 07:31 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(12-18-2019, 07:13 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
Here's 38 universities listed as having either senior or redshirt senior QBs in 2019:
...
KJ will get a ton of interest, and can certainly go to a P5 or high-ranked G5 team. We should also consider teams where a junior QB is a legit NFL prospect: Alabama, Georgia, Washington, Wake Forest. That leaves a list of 24:
Washington St.
LSU
Oklahoma
Troy
Oregon
Virginia
Utah
Michigan
Colorado
Notre Dame
Michigan St.
Iowa
Oregon St.
Kansas
Fresno St.
Missouri
Duke
Arizona
Vanderbilt
Boise St.
Alabama
Georgia
Washington
Wake Forest
Yeah. KJ is perfect for the offense Alabama currently runs. . . .
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(12-18-2019, 07:31 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(12-18-2019, 07:13 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-18-2019, 06:51 PM)Goose Wrote: I think this was somewhat expected. KJ is in a bad spot. He was injured, couldn't play much, and Mills has shown he is at least a competent replacement. I am assuming (without evidence) that he was offered the opportunity to stay, compete for the job, but no guarantee of being the starter. Finding another place could be tricky, but it may be he can find a better deal elsewhere. I am not sure how many programs will take a guy that the are not sure will be well enough to play. It may be he is "just looking", but I kind of doubt it.
Here's 38 universities listed as having either senior or redshirt senior QBs in 2019:
...
KJ will get a ton of interest, and can certainly go to a P5 or high-ranked G5 team. We should also consider teams where a junior QB is a legit NFL prospect: Alabama, Georgia, Washington, Wake Forest. That leaves a list of 24:
Washington St.
LSU
Oklahoma
Troy
Oregon
Virginia
Utah
Michigan
Colorado
Notre Dame
Michigan St.
Iowa
Oregon St.
Kansas
Fresno St.
Missouri
Duke
Arizona
Vanderbilt
Boise St.
Alabama
Georgia
Washington
Wake Forest
Yeah. KJ is perfect for the offense Alabama currently runs. . . .
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
12-18-2019, 08:36 PM
Again, he should go to Wazzu. Minshaw came out of nowhere to beat out Foles. WSU on the NFL scout schedule.
12-18-2019, 08:49 PM
(12-18-2019, 08:36 PM)Phogge Wrote: Again, he should go to Wazzu. Minshaw came out of nowhere to beat out Foles. WSU on the NFL scout schedule.
well Leach (or someone on his staff) should know Costello is available so if Leach wants him he can at least approach Costello about transferring there
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(12-18-2019, 08:36 PM)Phogge Wrote: Again, he should go to Wazzu. Minshaw came out of nowhere to beat out Foles. WSU on the NFL scout schedule.
well Leach (or someone on his staff) should know Costello is available so if Leach wants him he can at least approach Costello about transferring there
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
12-18-2019, 09:09 PM
(12-18-2019, 08:49 PM)82lsju Wrote:(12-18-2019, 08:36 PM)Phogge Wrote: Again, he should go to Wazzu. Minshaw came out of nowhere to beat out Foles. WSU on the NFL scout schedule.
well Leach (or someone on his staff) should know Costello is available so if Leach wants him he can at least approach Costello about transferring there
KJ has been to Pullman.
(12-18-2019, 08:49 PM)82lsju Wrote:(12-18-2019, 08:36 PM)Phogge Wrote: Again, he should go to Wazzu. Minshaw came out of nowhere to beat out Foles. WSU on the NFL scout schedule.
well Leach (or someone on his staff) should know Costello is available so if Leach wants him he can at least approach Costello about transferring there
KJ has been to Pullman.
12-18-2019, 09:30 PM
(12-18-2019, 09:09 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-18-2019, 08:49 PM)82lsju Wrote:(12-18-2019, 08:36 PM)Phogge Wrote: Again, he should go to Wazzu. Minshaw came out of nowhere to beat out Foles. WSU on the NFL scout schedule.
well Leach (or someone on his staff) should know Costello is available so if Leach wants him he can at least approach Costello about transferring there
KJ has been to Pullman.
he'd only have to be there from June-December.......
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(12-18-2019, 09:09 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-18-2019, 08:49 PM)82lsju Wrote:(12-18-2019, 08:36 PM)Phogge Wrote: Again, he should go to Wazzu. Minshaw came out of nowhere to beat out Foles. WSU on the NFL scout schedule.
well Leach (or someone on his staff) should know Costello is available so if Leach wants him he can at least approach Costello about transferring there
KJ has been to Pullman.
he'd only have to be there from June-December.......
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
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