[donkey687]

Colorado coach Mel Tucker to Michigan State.  In one year at Colorado he went 5-7.

https://theathletic.com/1601435/2020/02/...oach-hire/

BC

Is Stanford to blame for Colorado losing their coach? We really laid an egg against CU and lost at the end.  If a field goal or turnover goes another way, CU finishes 4-8 and I doubt MSU makes the hire.

[donkey687]

Colorado coach Mel Tucker to Michigan State.  In one year at Colorado he went 5-7.

https://theathletic.com/1601435/2020/02/...oach-hire/

BC

Is Stanford to blame for Colorado losing their coach? We really laid an egg against CU and lost at the end.  If a field goal or turnover goes another way, CU finishes 4-8 and I doubt MSU makes the hire.

[terry]

The Tucker departure, coming after he denied interest in leaving, is yet another example that makes me skeptical when I hear Cal fans saying that Wilcox is committed to staying at Cal.

[terry]

The Tucker departure, coming after he denied interest in leaving, is yet another example that makes me skeptical when I hear Cal fans saying that Wilcox is committed to staying at Cal.

[SamuelMcF]

Colorado coach Mel Tucker to Michigan State.  In one year at Colorado he went 5-7.

https://theathletic.com/1601435/2020/02/...oach-hire/

BC

Is Stanford to blame for Colorado losing their coach? We really laid an egg against CU and lost at the end.  If a field goal or turnover goes another way, CU finishes 4-8 and I doubt MSU makes the hire.

Somewhat amusing corollary: is Stanford to blame for Chris Petersen retiring? By embarrassingly losing to (a not good) Stanford by multiple scores while ranked, UW ended up with a losing Pac-12 record for the first time since 2015, going 7-5 overall...also their worst overall record since 2015. Fans were pissed and vocal, and booster pressure mounted. (That's what happens when you become good and all the morons in your state who have nothing to do with the school start bandwagoning.) Petersen decided it wasn't worth it to coach anymore. 

You could also say UW was just as much - if not slightly more - to blame for Colorado losing their coach...they lost at Colorado too!

[SamuelMcF]

Colorado coach Mel Tucker to Michigan State.  In one year at Colorado he went 5-7.

https://theathletic.com/1601435/2020/02/...oach-hire/

BC

Is Stanford to blame for Colorado losing their coach? We really laid an egg against CU and lost at the end.  If a field goal or turnover goes another way, CU finishes 4-8 and I doubt MSU makes the hire.

Somewhat amusing corollary: is Stanford to blame for Chris Petersen retiring? By embarrassingly losing to (a not good) Stanford by multiple scores while ranked, UW ended up with a losing Pac-12 record for the first time since 2015, going 7-5 overall...also their worst overall record since 2015. Fans were pissed and vocal, and booster pressure mounted. (That's what happens when you become good and all the morons in your state who have nothing to do with the school start bandwagoning.) Petersen decided it wasn't worth it to coach anymore. 

You could also say UW was just as much - if not slightly more - to blame for Colorado losing their coach...they lost at Colorado too!

[BostonCard]

You could also say UW was just as much - if not slightly more - to blame for Colorado losing their coach...they lost at Colorado too

So, basically the UW at Colorado game led to the coaches.

BC

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As for where cord-cutters get internet, I would say it depends. In much of the country high-speed internet is a monopoly or close to it. Fortunately I live in a place where you can get the best ISP in the country (Sonic, based out of Santa Rosa). Depending on one's willingness to do the cancellation dance they may have cable from a bundle and never use it, but even with that I think you're better off saying "forget it" and going internet only.

Yes, waiting for Sonic to build out their fiber to Burlingame.

BC

[BostonCard]

You could also say UW was just as much - if not slightly more - to blame for Colorado losing their coach...they lost at Colorado too

So, basically the UW at Colorado game led to the coaches.

BC

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As for where cord-cutters get internet, I would say it depends. In much of the country high-speed internet is a monopoly or close to it. Fortunately I live in a place where you can get the best ISP in the country (Sonic, based out of Santa Rosa). Depending on one's willingness to do the cancellation dance they may have cable from a bundle and never use it, but even with that I think you're better off saying "forget it" and going internet only.

Yes, waiting for Sonic to build out their fiber to Burlingame.

BC

[teejers1]

One's alma mater is a different matter.   Stanford (not the job) means the world to Shaw.  And we have been so lucky that he has wanted to be at Stanford.  If he was not a Stanford alum I suspect he would have left, likely for the NFL, after the 2012 season and 2013 RB.

Disagree.  Shaw has HS-aged kids - am sure he would love them to attend Stanford (who wouldn't?).
Chances for same improve if he is Stanford's coach, and not a coach somewhere else.  
The critics can say what they will about Shaw (as I have about his O prowess), but he is not stupid . . . far from it.

[teejers1]

One's alma mater is a different matter.   Stanford (not the job) means the world to Shaw.  And we have been so lucky that he has wanted to be at Stanford.  If he was not a Stanford alum I suspect he would have left, likely for the NFL, after the 2012 season and 2013 RB.

Disagree.  Shaw has HS-aged kids - am sure he would love them to attend Stanford (who wouldn't?).
Chances for same improve if he is Stanford's coach, and not a coach somewhere else.  
The critics can say what they will about Shaw (as I have about his O prowess), but he is not stupid . . . far from it.

[BostonCard]

I completely agree, and continuing to coach at Stanford may or may not appeal once his kids graduate Stanford.  One could hardly blame him if he was looking for new challenges (coaching at a higher profile school, coaching in the NFL, something other than coaching football).  That being said, his kids were a long way from college back in 2012/2013 and I wonder how many non-alum coaches would value a Stanford education for their kids over the opportunity to coach in the NFL or a higher profile college team.  My guess is not many.  Even "non stupid" coaches know that the half-life of college coaches is only a few years, so I'm not sure it would be worth pinning one's hopes for one's kids on still being around a decade later.

BC

[BostonCard]

I completely agree, and continuing to coach at Stanford may or may not appeal once his kids graduate Stanford.  One could hardly blame him if he was looking for new challenges (coaching at a higher profile school, coaching in the NFL, something other than coaching football).  That being said, his kids were a long way from college back in 2012/2013 and I wonder how many non-alum coaches would value a Stanford education for their kids over the opportunity to coach in the NFL or a higher profile college team.  My guess is not many.  Even "non stupid" coaches know that the half-life of college coaches is only a few years, so I'm not sure it would be worth pinning one's hopes for one's kids on still being around a decade later.

BC

[OutsiderFan]

Pat Forde is now at whatever Sports Illustrated is these days, and weighs in:

https://www.si.com/college/2020/02/12/mi...twitter_si

[OutsiderFan]

Pat Forde is now at whatever Sports Illustrated is these days, and weighs in:

https://www.si.com/college/2020/02/12/mi...twitter_si

[BobK]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

[BobK]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

[Mick]

2.5 million in Boulder, 5.5 million in East Lansing and I bet the cost of living in Michigan is lower than Colorado. Perhaps the three million is small potatoes to a bunch of Stanford grads but ultimately he had no choice but to bolt. Guys I went to school with would bolt too.

Man, you literally couldn't pay me enough to live in East Lansing.  I'd rather live in Farmington Hills and do the one hour commute.

[Mick]

2.5 million in Boulder, 5.5 million in East Lansing and I bet the cost of living in Michigan is lower than Colorado. Perhaps the three million is small potatoes to a bunch of Stanford grads but ultimately he had no choice but to bolt. Guys I went to school with would bolt too.

Man, you literally couldn't pay me enough to live in East Lansing.  I'd rather live in Farmington Hills and do the one hour commute.

[teejers1]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

[teejers1]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

[SamuelMcF]

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

This just gave me a terrifying mental image:

The year is 2025. Nick Saban's contract at Alabama (he made $8.8 million in 2019) is finally up, and he decides to retire as a demigod in the state. He never has to pay for a drink ever again.

Dabo Swinney - who made $9.2 million this year, the top-paid HC in the nation - played QB at Alabama once upon a time and is their clear first choice to replace Saban. Alabama enters a massive bidding war with Clemson over poaching him, and he finally takes a gargantuan raise to become the HC at his beloved alma mater for $15 million a year.

I don't think this is so far-fetched...

[SamuelMcF]

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

This just gave me a terrifying mental image:

The year is 2025. Nick Saban's contract at Alabama (he made $8.8 million in 2019) is finally up, and he decides to retire as a demigod in the state. He never has to pay for a drink ever again.

Dabo Swinney - who made $9.2 million this year, the top-paid HC in the nation - played QB at Alabama once upon a time and is their clear first choice to replace Saban. Alabama enters a massive bidding war with Clemson over poaching him, and he finally takes a gargantuan raise to become the HC at his beloved alma mater for $15 million a year.

I don't think this is so far-fetched...

[BostonCard]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

You cap coaches salaries there will be an arms race in some other dimension.  As long as for a lot of people with $ #itmeansmore, there will be attempts to use those dollars in stupid ways to gain whatever edge they can.

BC

[BostonCard]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

You cap coaches salaries there will be an arms race in some other dimension.  As long as for a lot of people with $ #itmeansmore, there will be attempts to use those dollars in stupid ways to gain whatever edge they can.

BC

[76lsjumb]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

So, all the schools get together [in the form of the NCAA, I presume] and decide that coaches' salaries are going to be capped?

Yeah, that doesn't sound like an antitrust and/or illegal employment action case waiting to happen...  :-)

[76lsjumb]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

So, all the schools get together [in the form of the NCAA, I presume] and decide that coaches' salaries are going to be capped?

Yeah, that doesn't sound like an antitrust and/or illegal employment action case waiting to happen...  :-)

[teejers1]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

You cap coaches salaries there will be an arms race in some other dimension.  As long as for a lot of people with $ #itmeansmore, there will be attempts to use those dollars in stupid ways to gain whatever edge they can.

BC

So, are you advocating surrender?

Look, "giving" $__ millions to Alabama or Clemson's overall fund isn't "nothing."  In fact, it's quite something.  And it has the benefit of better adhering to the "student-athlete" ideal the NCAA purports to promote.

P.S.  The value of "name and likeness" $$ going to the players will also be greater in "#itmeansmore" regions.  Once that facade is breached, well, let's just say the idiomatic horse/barn, bell/ring, slippery/slop, etc. in play.

[teejers1]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

You cap coaches salaries there will be an arms race in some other dimension.  As long as for a lot of people with $ #itmeansmore, there will be attempts to use those dollars in stupid ways to gain whatever edge they can.

BC

So, are you advocating surrender?

Look, "giving" $__ millions to Alabama or Clemson's overall fund isn't "nothing."  In fact, it's quite something.  And it has the benefit of better adhering to the "student-athlete" ideal the NCAA purports to promote.

P.S.  The value of "name and likeness" $$ going to the players will also be greater in "#itmeansmore" regions.  Once that facade is breached, well, let's just say the idiomatic horse/barn, bell/ring, slippery/slop, etc. in play.

[Phogge]

Mick, you are a Stanford guy so I suspect that 5.5 million a year would be a pay cut.

[Phogge]

Mick, you are a Stanford guy so I suspect that 5.5 million a year would be a pay cut.

[Mick]

Mick, you are a Stanford guy so I suspect that 5.5 million a year would be a pay cut.

Seven of my extended family members went to Stanford.  I was the black sheep who went to Santa Clara, so $5.5 mms. would be quite a nice raise...  ;)

[Mick]

Mick, you are a Stanford guy so I suspect that 5.5 million a year would be a pay cut.

Seven of my extended family members went to Stanford.  I was the black sheep who went to Santa Clara, so $5.5 mms. would be quite a nice raise...  ;)

[OutsiderFan]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

So, all the schools get together [in the form of the NCAA, I presume] and decide that coaches' salaries are going to be capped?

Yeah, that doesn't sound like an antitrust and/or illegal employment action case waiting to happen...  :-)

Congress can legislate whatever it wants. There is going to be a cap on coach salaries and perhaps other forms of spending on college sports because the issue is non-partisan.  Moreover, college sports isn't a free market. Contracts mean something in free markets.  They don't in college sports.  The whole system will collapse on itself without proper oversight from government regulators.

I'd personally like to see coach unions that give the NCAA and its schools the opportunity to collectively bargain working terms and conditions.

[OutsiderFan]

Pat as in father of

https://admin.gostanford.com/sports/wome...orde/16510

Always liked that guy, including when on his college tour of campuses for ESPN(?) back in the day, Forde had a beverage with a group of die hards (from another board) at the Dutch Goose.

P.S.  The answer (or something that will go a long way toward rectification):  cap on coaching salaries.  Don't know why it should even be controversial.  Any excess $$ saved by not paying coaches (handsomely, but maybe not ridiculously) gets poured back into the institutions' respective general funds.

So, all the schools get together [in the form of the NCAA, I presume] and decide that coaches' salaries are going to be capped?

Yeah, that doesn't sound like an antitrust and/or illegal employment action case waiting to happen...  :-)

Congress can legislate whatever it wants. There is going to be a cap on coach salaries and perhaps other forms of spending on college sports because the issue is non-partisan.  Moreover, college sports isn't a free market. Contracts mean something in free markets.  They don't in college sports.  The whole system will collapse on itself without proper oversight from government regulators.

I'd personally like to see coach unions that give the NCAA and its schools the opportunity to collectively bargain working terms and conditions.

[martyup]

It wouldn't surprise me if all of Tucker's talk of CU being a destination job wasn't scripted by his agent to get a better offer to leave CU.

[martyup]

It wouldn't surprise me if all of Tucker's talk of CU being a destination job wasn't scripted by his agent to get a better offer to leave CU.

[CowboyIndian]

As long as for a lot of people with $ #itmeansmore, there will be attempts to use those dollars in stupid ways to gain whatever edge they can.

Indeed! And I can't wait to see what this means when "image and likeness" payment becomes standardized. I predict pain.

[CowboyIndian]

As long as for a lot of people with $ #itmeansmore, there will be attempts to use those dollars in stupid ways to gain whatever edge they can.

Indeed! And I can't wait to see what this means when "image and likeness" payment becomes standardized. I predict pain.

[BostonCard]

So, are you advocating surrender?

I advocate the deprofessionalization of college sports (not that this will happen), but I advocate fewer games (less chance of injury for players), playing at times that fit best with players and in person fans (rather than better for television), fewer bowl games, eliminating conference championships and the college football playoff (basically returining to when most teams played 11 regular season games and a handful of teams played a bowl game, instead of the scenario now some teams can play 15 games in a season - 12 regular season games, a conference championship, a national semifinal and the national championship).  I favor determining a champion or multiple champions by vote, etc.  Basically, I advocate for taking a lot of the money out of college sports (football and basketball) and making them generally more athlete-centric and less important in the zeitgeist.  Obviously, I might as well wish for unicorns and the fountain of youth, but I would prefer that the hashtag #itshouldmeanless be trending.  Once that happens, coaching salaries will fall.

Otherwise, I'm kind of with lsju here; what you are proposing sounds like collusion/illegal employment action.  I suppose you could imagine legislation limiting salaries in schools that take federal grants (so all of them), but I almost wonder if some SEC teams would actually think about whether to turn down federal grants.

That being said, universities have bigger issues right now than college coach salaries.  At least those don't have any national security implications.

BC

[BostonCard]

So, are you advocating surrender?

I advocate the deprofessionalization of college sports (not that this will happen), but I advocate fewer games (less chance of injury for players), playing at times that fit best with players and in person fans (rather than better for television), fewer bowl games, eliminating conference championships and the college football playoff (basically returining to when most teams played 11 regular season games and a handful of teams played a bowl game, instead of the scenario now some teams can play 15 games in a season - 12 regular season games, a conference championship, a national semifinal and the national championship).  I favor determining a champion or multiple champions by vote, etc.  Basically, I advocate for taking a lot of the money out of college sports (football and basketball) and making them generally more athlete-centric and less important in the zeitgeist.  Obviously, I might as well wish for unicorns and the fountain of youth, but I would prefer that the hashtag #itshouldmeanless be trending.  Once that happens, coaching salaries will fall.

Otherwise, I'm kind of with lsju here; what you are proposing sounds like collusion/illegal employment action.  I suppose you could imagine legislation limiting salaries in schools that take federal grants (so all of them), but I almost wonder if some SEC teams would actually think about whether to turn down federal grants.

That being said, universities have bigger issues right now than college coach salaries.  At least those don't have any national security implications.

BC