[OutsiderFan]

The complaint that Shaw is slow to adapt to new recruiting realities is much more accurate than the idea that he never changes.  Shaw will usually figure it out, after all other options have been exhausted.

BC

This is 100% spot on. It would just be so nice to one time see Shaw ahead of the curve on something, not only changing after damage (usually the too late to prevent losing as a result variety), has already been done. This is a through line you can see play out off the field and also in games.

[OutsiderFan]

The complaint that Shaw is slow to adapt to new recruiting realities is much more accurate than the idea that he never changes.  Shaw will usually figure it out, after all other options have been exhausted.

BC

This is 100% spot on. It would just be so nice to one time see Shaw ahead of the curve on something, not only changing after damage (usually the too late to prevent losing as a result variety), has already been done. This is a through line you can see play out off the field and also in games.

[SamuelMcF]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/asa_newsom/status/1491611522044469249[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/35Pwoo/status/1491958423059062786[/tweet]

2 more front seven (ILB and DL) offers make 62 in the class. As it pertains to the above commentary, the majority of offers are now going out earlier, a positive trend that started last year. Better late than never.

[SamuelMcF]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/asa_newsom/status/1491611522044469249[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/35Pwoo/status/1491958423059062786[/tweet]

2 more front seven (ILB and DL) offers make 62 in the class. As it pertains to the above commentary, the majority of offers are now going out earlier, a positive trend that started last year. Better late than never.

[Papa John]

This may have been mentioned earlier, but we made TE Walker Lyons final six, along with Alabama, BYU, Utah, USC and the Ohio State University. According to the linked article, Lyons will be graduating in December 2022 and taking his LDS mission. So maybe he is looking for early enrollment in January 2024, full participation in spring ball, strength and conditioning and be ready to play in fall 2024, as opposed to taking a redshirt year. Or I have no idea what I'm talking about.

https://www.deseret.com/2022/2/10/229278...u-and-utah

I'll leave it to those more in the know as to whether or not Lyons is a mega-whale, but we sure could use him in 2024 and beyond.

[Papa John]

This may have been mentioned earlier, but we made TE Walker Lyons final six, along with Alabama, BYU, Utah, USC and the Ohio State University. According to the linked article, Lyons will be graduating in December 2022 and taking his LDS mission. So maybe he is looking for early enrollment in January 2024, full participation in spring ball, strength and conditioning and be ready to play in fall 2024, as opposed to taking a redshirt year. Or I have no idea what I'm talking about.

https://www.deseret.com/2022/2/10/229278...u-and-utah

I'll leave it to those more in the know as to whether or not Lyons is a mega-whale, but we sure could use him in 2024 and beyond.

[DC 86]

This may have been mentioned earlier, but we made TE Walker Lyons final six, along with Alabama, BYU, Utah, USC and the Ohio State University. According to the linked article, Lyons will be graduating in December 2022 and taking his LDS mission. So maybe he is looking for early enrollment in January 2024, full participation in spring ball, strength and conditioning and be ready to play in fall 2024, as opposed to taking a redshirt year. Or I have no idea what I'm talking about.

https://www.deseret.com/2022/2/10/229278...u-and-utah

I'll leave it to those more in the know as to whether or not Lyons is a mega-whale, but we sure could use him in 2024 and beyond.

He's not a mega-whale but he's a national top-100 prospect and would be a fantastic addition. Given our history of producing NFL tight ends we should be a strong contender to get him aside from all the other obvious factors.

[DC 86]

This may have been mentioned earlier, but we made TE Walker Lyons final six, along with Alabama, BYU, Utah, USC and the Ohio State University. According to the linked article, Lyons will be graduating in December 2022 and taking his LDS mission. So maybe he is looking for early enrollment in January 2024, full participation in spring ball, strength and conditioning and be ready to play in fall 2024, as opposed to taking a redshirt year. Or I have no idea what I'm talking about.

https://www.deseret.com/2022/2/10/229278...u-and-utah

I'll leave it to those more in the know as to whether or not Lyons is a mega-whale, but we sure could use him in 2024 and beyond.

He's not a mega-whale but he's a national top-100 prospect and would be a fantastic addition. Given our history of producing NFL tight ends we should be a strong contender to get him aside from all the other obvious factors.

[SamuelMcF]

This may have been mentioned earlier, but we made TE Walker Lyons final six, along with Alabama, BYU, Utah, USC and the Ohio State University. According to the linked article, Lyons will be graduating in December 2022 and taking his LDS mission. So maybe he is looking for early enrollment in January 2024, full participation in spring ball, strength and conditioning and be ready to play in fall 2024, as opposed to taking a redshirt year. Or I have no idea what I'm talking about.

https://www.deseret.com/2022/2/10/229278...u-and-utah

I'll leave it to those more in the know as to whether or not Lyons is a mega-whale, but we sure could use him in 2024 and beyond.

He's not a mega-whale but he's a national top-100 prospect and would be a fantastic addition. Given our history of producing NFL tight ends we should be a strong contender to get him aside from all the other obvious factors.

My gut says Stanford or BYU (LDS and family went there). If we don't land him, it certainly won't be for lack of trying; I believe coach Turner has visited his high school no fewer than five times in the past few months.

[SamuelMcF]

This may have been mentioned earlier, but we made TE Walker Lyons final six, along with Alabama, BYU, Utah, USC and the Ohio State University. According to the linked article, Lyons will be graduating in December 2022 and taking his LDS mission. So maybe he is looking for early enrollment in January 2024, full participation in spring ball, strength and conditioning and be ready to play in fall 2024, as opposed to taking a redshirt year. Or I have no idea what I'm talking about.

https://www.deseret.com/2022/2/10/229278...u-and-utah

I'll leave it to those more in the know as to whether or not Lyons is a mega-whale, but we sure could use him in 2024 and beyond.

He's not a mega-whale but he's a national top-100 prospect and would be a fantastic addition. Given our history of producing NFL tight ends we should be a strong contender to get him aside from all the other obvious factors.

My gut says Stanford or BYU (LDS and family went there). If we don't land him, it certainly won't be for lack of trying; I believe coach Turner has visited his high school no fewer than five times in the past few months.

[SamuelMcF]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/_leviticussua_/status/1492316207164256257[/tweet]

Another ILB offer. He looks like a good one. 4.13 GPA.

[SamuelMcF]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/_leviticussua_/status/1492316207164256257[/tweet]

Another ILB offer. He looks like a good one. 4.13 GPA.

[Phogge]

Coach has visited Lyons even more than the Thunderdome guy called Zumwalt’s high school asking where he was matriculating to.

[Phogge]

Coach has visited Lyons even more than the Thunderdome guy called Zumwalt’s high school asking where he was matriculating to.

[Maple Leaf]

Massive bear named 'Hank the Tank' on the run from California police (yahoo.com)
 
This may be the run stopper that is needed on the DL, but he may be hard to pry away from Cal unless during his campus visit to the Farm unless he is allowed to roam through CTG on game day.

[Maple Leaf]

Massive bear named 'Hank the Tank' on the run from California police (yahoo.com)
 
This may be the run stopper that is needed on the DL, but he may be hard to pry away from Cal unless during his campus visit to the Farm unless he is allowed to roam through CTG on game day.

[murky]

Massive bear named 'Hank the Tank' on the run from California police (yahoo.com)
 
This may be the run stopper that is needed on the DL, but he may be hard to pry away from Cal unless during his campus visit to the Farm unless he is allowed to roam through CTG on game day.

Their use of "euthanisation" is a euphemisation.

[murky]

Massive bear named 'Hank the Tank' on the run from California police (yahoo.com)
 
This may be the run stopper that is needed on the DL, but he may be hard to pry away from Cal unless during his campus visit to the Farm unless he is allowed to roam through CTG on game day.

Their use of "euthanisation" is a euphemisation.

[newguy]

Massive bear named 'Hank the Tank' on the run from California police (yahoo.com)
 
This may be the run stopper that is needed on the DL, but he may be hard to pry away from Cal unless during his campus visit to the Farm unless he is allowed to roam through CTG on game day.

i heard about this.
the bear has been described as "chonky."

[newguy]

Massive bear named 'Hank the Tank' on the run from California police (yahoo.com)
 
This may be the run stopper that is needed on the DL, but he may be hard to pry away from Cal unless during his campus visit to the Farm unless he is allowed to roam through CTG on game day.

i heard about this.
the bear has been described as "chonky."

[SamuelMcF]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ColtonVasek/status/1498108791312642048[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/CalebPresley5/status/1498151814503354370[/tweet]
Vasek (4*/high 3* Edge, Austin TX) and Presley (4* CB, Seattle WA) make 65 total offers, the exact same as 2022 at this point in the cycle.

[SamuelMcF]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ColtonVasek/status/1498108791312642048[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/CalebPresley5/status/1498151814503354370[/tweet]
Vasek (4*/high 3* Edge, Austin TX) and Presley (4* CB, Seattle WA) make 65 total offers, the exact same as 2022 at this point in the cycle.

[Papa John]

I know that it's still early and the transfer portal is impossible to predict, but USC already has three 5-star HS commits for 2023, per 247sports.  One of those happens to be Malachi Nelson, the #2 HS QB recruit in the nation. And, by all accounts, Lincoln Riley is a good coach.

[Papa John]

I know that it's still early and the transfer portal is impossible to predict, but USC already has three 5-star HS commits for 2023, per 247sports.  One of those happens to be Malachi Nelson, the #2 HS QB recruit in the nation. And, by all accounts, Lincoln Riley is a good coach.

[SamuelMcF]

I know that it's still early and the transfer portal is impossible to predict, but USC already has three 5-star HS commits for 2023, per 247sports.  One of those happens to be Malachi Nelson, the #2 HS QB recruit in the nation. And, by all accounts, Lincoln Riley is a good coach.

You're telling me a historical blue-blood with a new well-hyped coach (who is a GREAT recruiter) is recruiting like one by landing 5* kids in its own backyard?

Say it ain't so!

[SamuelMcF]

I know that it's still early and the transfer portal is impossible to predict, but USC already has three 5-star HS commits for 2023, per 247sports.  One of those happens to be Malachi Nelson, the #2 HS QB recruit in the nation. And, by all accounts, Lincoln Riley is a good coach.

You're telling me a historical blue-blood with a new well-hyped coach (who is a GREAT recruiter) is recruiting like one by landing 5* kids in its own backyard?

Say it ain't so!

[BostonCard]

Korey Foreman, class of 2021, #2 recruit in the country
Imam Marshall, class of 2015, #4
Addoree Jackson, 2014,  #7
Amon Ra St. Brown, 2017, #11
Max Browne, 2013, #11
Palaie Gaoteote IV, 2018, #15
JT Daniel’s, 2018, #16
…

Mediocre coaches at USC can routinely land 5*, top-20 talent. The challenges for them has been converting that talent into a team that plays up to the talent it has. Three coaches since Carroll have failed to do it, but Riley has demonstrated he can coach. The reason to worry about USC and Riley is not that he is recruiting well, but that he might actually get his recruits to play up to their potential.

BC

[BostonCard]

Korey Foreman, class of 2021, #2 recruit in the country
Imam Marshall, class of 2015, #4
Addoree Jackson, 2014,  #7
Amon Ra St. Brown, 2017, #11
Max Browne, 2013, #11
Palaie Gaoteote IV, 2018, #15
JT Daniel’s, 2018, #16
…

Mediocre coaches at USC can routinely land 5*, top-20 talent. The challenges for them has been converting that talent into a team that plays up to the talent it has. Three coaches since Carroll have failed to do it, but Riley has demonstrated he can coach. The reason to worry about USC and Riley is not that he is recruiting well, but that he might actually get his recruits to play up to their potential.

BC

[Goose]

Mediocre coaches at USC can routinely land 5*, top-20 talent.  The challenges for them has been converting that talent into a team that plays up to the talent it has.  Three coaches since Carroll have failed to do it, but Riley has demonstrated he can coach.  The reason to worry about USC and Riley is not that he is recruiting well, but that he might actually get his recruits to play up to their potential.


BC

Exactly so. While Riley has demonstrated he can coach, he hasn't yet demonstrated he is a "fit" for USC. His previous experience is in places where the Coach was undoubtedly the boss and the players did as they were told. For quite a while, USC hasn't been that way. Carroll was able to convince the players that doing what the coaches said was to their advantage, but it was not a "command" society even then. It worked because they won enough that everybody could go to the NFL. How that will all shake out with Riley is still TBD. If he can get and maintain control, USC will return to being a powerhouse. If not, more of the same.

[Goose]

Mediocre coaches at USC can routinely land 5*, top-20 talent.  The challenges for them has been converting that talent into a team that plays up to the talent it has.  Three coaches since Carroll have failed to do it, but Riley has demonstrated he can coach.  The reason to worry about USC and Riley is not that he is recruiting well, but that he might actually get his recruits to play up to their potential.


BC

Exactly so. While Riley has demonstrated he can coach, he hasn't yet demonstrated he is a "fit" for USC. His previous experience is in places where the Coach was undoubtedly the boss and the players did as they were told. For quite a while, USC hasn't been that way. Carroll was able to convince the players that doing what the coaches said was to their advantage, but it was not a "command" society even then. It worked because they won enough that everybody could go to the NFL. How that will all shake out with Riley is still TBD. If he can get and maintain control, USC will return to being a powerhouse. If not, more of the same.

[Papa John]

I know that it's still early and the transfer portal is impossible to predict, but USC already has three 5-star HS commits for 2023, per 247sports.  One of those happens to be Malachi Nelson, the #2 HS QB recruit in the nation. And, by all accounts, Lincoln Riley is a good coach.

You're telling me a historical blue-blood with a new well-hyped coach (who is a GREAT recruiter) is recruiting like one by landing 5* kids in its own backyard?

Say it ain't so!

I'm afraid it is so, SamuelMcF. Consider yourself warned!

Since Pete Carroll left after the 2009 season, here's how USC's 5-star recruiting has fared, per 247sports:
2010: Lane Kiffin head coach, five 5-stars (Carroll's recruits)
2011: 1
2012: 1
2013: 4
2014: Steve Sarkisian head coach, 2 (Kiffin/Orgeron/Helton's recruits)
2015: 4
2016: Clay Helton head coach, 2 (Sarkisian/Helton's recruits)
2017: 2
2018: 4
2019: 1 (plus 1 5-star transfer)
2020: 0
2021: 1
2022: Lincoln Riley head coach, 1 (plus 1 5-star transfer) (Helton/Williams' recruits)
2023: 3 and counting

So yeah, the fact that USC has three 2023 commits and they are all 5-stars has me concerned. USC has not recruited consistently at Pete Carroll levels since...Pete Carroll.

[Papa John]

I know that it's still early and the transfer portal is impossible to predict, but USC already has three 5-star HS commits for 2023, per 247sports.  One of those happens to be Malachi Nelson, the #2 HS QB recruit in the nation. And, by all accounts, Lincoln Riley is a good coach.

You're telling me a historical blue-blood with a new well-hyped coach (who is a GREAT recruiter) is recruiting like one by landing 5* kids in its own backyard?

Say it ain't so!

I'm afraid it is so, SamuelMcF. Consider yourself warned!

Since Pete Carroll left after the 2009 season, here's how USC's 5-star recruiting has fared, per 247sports:
2010: Lane Kiffin head coach, five 5-stars (Carroll's recruits)
2011: 1
2012: 1
2013: 4
2014: Steve Sarkisian head coach, 2 (Kiffin/Orgeron/Helton's recruits)
2015: 4
2016: Clay Helton head coach, 2 (Sarkisian/Helton's recruits)
2017: 2
2018: 4
2019: 1 (plus 1 5-star transfer)
2020: 0
2021: 1
2022: Lincoln Riley head coach, 1 (plus 1 5-star transfer) (Helton/Williams' recruits)
2023: 3 and counting

So yeah, the fact that USC has three 2023 commits and they are all 5-stars has me concerned. USC has not recruited consistently at Pete Carroll levels since...Pete Carroll.

[SamuelMcF]

So yeah, the fact that USC has three 2023 commits and they are all 5-stars has me concerned. USC has not recruited consistently at Pete Carroll levels since...Pete Carroll.

I am not really concerned. USC is supposed to be perennially good given their blue blood status. Let's worry about not being dead last in the Pac-12 first. This thread is about STANFORD'S class of 2023.

[SamuelMcF]

So yeah, the fact that USC has three 2023 commits and they are all 5-stars has me concerned. USC has not recruited consistently at Pete Carroll levels since...Pete Carroll.

I am not really concerned. USC is supposed to be perennially good given their blue blood status. Let's worry about not being dead last in the Pac-12 first. This thread is about STANFORD'S class of 2023.

[BostonCard]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamgorney/status/1498881199929847813?s=21[/tweet]

4* WR.

W00t!

BC

[BostonCard]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamgorney/status/1498881199929847813?s=21[/tweet]

4* WR.

W00t!

BC

[SamuelMcF]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamgorney/status/1498881199929847813?s=21[/tweet]

4* WR.

W00t!

BC

Tiger noticed the thread drifting and decided to put a stop to it himself!

Was ultra-productive (80 catches, 1400+ yards, 16 TDs in 11 games) in a good SoCal league. We need 3 WRs in this class and this is a very good start.

[SamuelMcF]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/adamgorney/status/1498881199929847813?s=21[/tweet]

4* WR.

W00t!

BC

Tiger noticed the thread drifting and decided to put a stop to it himself!

Was ultra-productive (80 catches, 1400+ yards, 16 TDs in 11 games) in a good SoCal league. We need 3 WRs in this class and this is a very good start.

[Phogge]

Tackle the pigtails!

[Phogge]

Tackle the pigtails!