[DenverCard]

Found this interesting story in an unusual location -- while surfing the sports sites I frequented prior to the pandemic.  I haven't given it a careful read, and the primary sources undoubtedly dig deeper, but thought I'd share it for further discussion.

https://swimswam.com/hun-swimmers-who-te...ntibodies/

[DenverCard]

Found this interesting story in an unusual location -- while surfing the sports sites I frequented prior to the pandemic.  I haven't given it a careful read, and the primary sources undoubtedly dig deeper, but thought I'd share it for further discussion.

https://swimswam.com/hun-swimmers-who-te...ntibodies/

[lex24]

Not going to draw much from a “study” of a couple swimmers. Maybe they were false positives.

[lex24]

Not going to draw much from a “study” of a couple swimmers. Maybe they were false positives.

[magnus]

If this is true,  the antibody studies that have been used for population prevalence may need a to have their numbers additionally adjusted.

[magnus]

If this is true,  the antibody studies that have been used for population prevalence may need a to have their numbers additionally adjusted.

[M T]

Not going to draw much from a “study” of a couple swimmers. Maybe they were false positives.

I have to wonder why you seem dismissive ("a couple of swimmers", and then you introduce the word "study" and then put it in quotes like the OP or the source actually used and misused it).  If you don't even follow the link, I'm not sure your comment was worth making, other than to express your own, uh, feelings. 


29 elite athletes (10 of which were swimmers, one of which was a 2019 world champion; also included were bikers & wrestlers) gave blood for plasma treatment in an attempt to help others with the disease. (The athletes were asked with the idea that the general population might use them as an example and also donate blood for this cause.)  At least the swimmers had gotten the disease while training in other countries in March, and their blood was taken in late April.  Only one of the 29 had antibodies in their blood

While neither the OP nor SwimSwam characterized the report of the Hungarian athletes as a "study", the article did mention a study (published June 18) which had 37 asymptomatic & 37 matched symptomatic cases.  (But the cases were presumably not athletes.)  That study graphs viral RNA daily until it disappeared in all 74.  It also gives the IgG and IgM levels for each patient in acute & convalescent phases (unfortunately, it doesn't seem to track the antibodies daily).  It also compares the serum cytokine/chemokine concentrations.

In another thread, people were opining about what effect COVID-19 has on the public when well-known athletes (and, in other threads, about politicians) in the South get the disease.   This news item was about something other than Football and Car Racing, but swimmers are well respected athletes in that area.

Some people here seem to be prejudiced against Chinese studies.  However, I'll remind you that in China if you test positive, you are isolated & put in a hospital for the duration of the illness.  If you develop symptoms, they will be noticed.  So, when this Chinese study indicates they had 37 asymptomatic cases, I believe they were truly asymptomatic.  If you follow the link, you can see a CT scan showing lung damage in an asymptomatic case.

In other posts here, there were concerns that US elite athletes (and their PR teams) might try to mask the impact of the disease to their schedule & capabilities upon recovery.  Maybe that would be so in Hungary, but then maybe not.

DenverCard, thanks for posting.  If SwimSwam publishes info about the impact of the disease on the Hungarian or other top swimmers, at least I would be interested.

[M T]

Not going to draw much from a “study” of a couple swimmers. Maybe they were false positives.

I have to wonder why you seem dismissive ("a couple of swimmers", and then you introduce the word "study" and then put it in quotes like the OP or the source actually used and misused it).  If you don't even follow the link, I'm not sure your comment was worth making, other than to express your own, uh, feelings. 


29 elite athletes (10 of which were swimmers, one of which was a 2019 world champion; also included were bikers & wrestlers) gave blood for plasma treatment in an attempt to help others with the disease. (The athletes were asked with the idea that the general population might use them as an example and also donate blood for this cause.)  At least the swimmers had gotten the disease while training in other countries in March, and their blood was taken in late April.  Only one of the 29 had antibodies in their blood

While neither the OP nor SwimSwam characterized the report of the Hungarian athletes as a "study", the article did mention a study (published June 18) which had 37 asymptomatic & 37 matched symptomatic cases.  (But the cases were presumably not athletes.)  That study graphs viral RNA daily until it disappeared in all 74.  It also gives the IgG and IgM levels for each patient in acute & convalescent phases (unfortunately, it doesn't seem to track the antibodies daily).  It also compares the serum cytokine/chemokine concentrations.

In another thread, people were opining about what effect COVID-19 has on the public when well-known athletes (and, in other threads, about politicians) in the South get the disease.   This news item was about something other than Football and Car Racing, but swimmers are well respected athletes in that area.

Some people here seem to be prejudiced against Chinese studies.  However, I'll remind you that in China if you test positive, you are isolated & put in a hospital for the duration of the illness.  If you develop symptoms, they will be noticed.  So, when this Chinese study indicates they had 37 asymptomatic cases, I believe they were truly asymptomatic.  If you follow the link, you can see a CT scan showing lung damage in an asymptomatic case.

In other posts here, there were concerns that US elite athletes (and their PR teams) might try to mask the impact of the disease to their schedule & capabilities upon recovery.  Maybe that would be so in Hungary, but then maybe not.

DenverCard, thanks for posting.  If SwimSwam publishes info about the impact of the disease on the Hungarian or other top swimmers, at least I would be interested.