08-17-2020, 01:31 PM
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(08-17-2020, 01:45 PM)M T Wrote: I suggest you change your subject. People getting sick isn't a laughing matter.
I'm not sure why the UNC-CH experience is expanded to the conference.
This experience has a good chance to be repeated at other schools. Personally, I hope the schools that hoped to bring people to campus gain from these problems elsewhere, and fewer people get sick unnecessarily as schools adapt to remote classes.
(08-17-2020, 01:45 PM)M T Wrote: I suggest you change your subject. People getting sick isn't a laughing matter.
I'm not sure why the UNC-CH experience is expanded to the conference.
This experience has a good chance to be repeated at other schools. Personally, I hope the schools that hoped to bring people to campus gain from these problems elsewhere, and fewer people get sick unnecessarily as schools adapt to remote classes.
(08-17-2020, 01:45 PM)M T Wrote: I suggest you change your subject. People getting sick isn't a laughing matter.
I'm not sure why the UNC-CH experience is expanded to the conference.
This experience has a good chance to be repeated at other schools. Personally, I hope the schools that hoped to bring people to campus gain from these problems elsewhere, and fewer people get sick unnecessarily as schools adapt to remote classes.
(08-17-2020, 01:45 PM)M T Wrote: I suggest you change your subject. People getting sick isn't a laughing matter.
I'm not sure why the UNC-CH experience is expanded to the conference.
This experience has a good chance to be repeated at other schools. Personally, I hope the schools that hoped to bring people to campus gain from these problems elsewhere, and fewer people get sick unnecessarily as schools adapt to remote classes.
(08-17-2020, 03:47 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: There is PLENTY of evidence to show large inside gatherings aren't safe. That's not me or anyone else wishing anything. It's just the facts. North Carolina's test positivity rate is 6%, which is more than the medical experts say is acceptable to have schools open. And it has the 9th most reported infections in the country.
I'm not wishing ill on anyone. Just throwing shade at those who ignore experts at their own peril.
(08-17-2020, 03:47 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: There is PLENTY of evidence to show large inside gatherings aren't safe. That's not me or anyone else wishing anything. It's just the facts. North Carolina's test positivity rate is 6%, which is more than the medical experts say is acceptable to have schools open. And it has the 9th most reported infections in the country.
I'm not wishing ill on anyone. Just throwing shade at those who ignore experts at their own peril.
(08-17-2020, 05:49 PM)chrisk Wrote: It was crazy to allow students to move into dorms eithot negative test results. They also have a problem with on-campus students mingling with off-campus students.
(08-17-2020, 05:49 PM)chrisk Wrote: It was crazy to allow students to move into dorms eithot negative test results. They also have a problem with on-campus students mingling with off-campus students.
(08-17-2020, 06:14 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(08-17-2020, 05:49 PM)chrisk Wrote: It was crazy to allow students to move into dorms eithot negative test results. They also have a problem with on-campus students mingling with off-campus students.
For those unfamiliar with that area there are a number of "ACC" campuses in the same general area. It is reasonable to assume Duke, NC State and Wake Forest will all share similar rates of COVID at the start of their terms. Potentially they will do a better job of moving into dorms, social distancing in classes, and isolating students that test positive once on campus, but I doubt it.
The ACC will have a very tough time fielding football teams if a few of the campuses are going through this level of virus spread.
I would love to hear what the football coaches are telling the players.
Don't go to class. Don't visit non-football team friends. Don't go to parties. Don't drive around town. Don't interact with TAs or professors.
If they are able to follow those don'ts they just might be able to host a game or two before they travel and get exposed to hundreds of COVID positive people on their journey.
The SEC schools have so little to protect beyond football, but I thought the ACC schools were better (smarter) than this.
(08-17-2020, 06:14 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(08-17-2020, 05:49 PM)chrisk Wrote: It was crazy to allow students to move into dorms eithot negative test results. They also have a problem with on-campus students mingling with off-campus students.
For those unfamiliar with that area there are a number of "ACC" campuses in the same general area. It is reasonable to assume Duke, NC State and Wake Forest will all share similar rates of COVID at the start of their terms. Potentially they will do a better job of moving into dorms, social distancing in classes, and isolating students that test positive once on campus, but I doubt it.
The ACC will have a very tough time fielding football teams if a few of the campuses are going through this level of virus spread.
I would love to hear what the football coaches are telling the players.
Don't go to class. Don't visit non-football team friends. Don't go to parties. Don't drive around town. Don't interact with TAs or professors.
If they are able to follow those don'ts they just might be able to host a game or two before they travel and get exposed to hundreds of COVID positive people on their journey.
The SEC schools have so little to protect beyond football, but I thought the ACC schools were better (smarter) than this.
(08-17-2020, 02:40 PM)BostonCard Wrote: There is a lingering suspicion among supporters of the President that his opponents are actually cheering for the infection to get worse and for people to get sick and die. Comments such as yours makes me think that unfortunately there may be a basis for their suspicion.There is no use in hoping. It isn't going to work. Let's hope none of the older professors die because of this.
Instead of laughing at the ACC, we should all be hoping that these openings go without incident, which would allow college football to restart (and restart safely), and get us towards some semblance of normality.
The great thing about America is that the states are a "natural laboratory" and we can learn from each other. If things were to go well in North Carolina and the ACC, that would bode well for restarting things in California and the Pac-12.
BC
(08-17-2020, 07:24 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: UNC athletes do have a carve out to stay on campus along with international students and those without highspeed internet access at home, while the rest got sent home.
I still think CFB is feasible but it would require testing and protocols like the pros have. Not sure its ethical to push for that when many parts of the country still have delayed and limited testing, even if it makes clear business sense as the cost of those tests are miniscule compared to the money being lost.
Would University of Texas or University of Florida hospital systems really use up hundreds of tests weekly and run them within 24 hours to keep football somewhat safe? Would Stanford? I bet a lot of doctors and patients waiting on tests in those hospitals would have problems with that (well, maybe not in SEC country).
(08-17-2020, 02:40 PM)BostonCard Wrote: There is a lingering suspicion among supporters of the President that his opponents are actually cheering for the infection to get worse and for people to get sick and die. Comments such as yours makes me think that unfortunately there may be a basis for their suspicion.There is no use in hoping. It isn't going to work. Let's hope none of the older professors die because of this.
Instead of laughing at the ACC, we should all be hoping that these openings go without incident, which would allow college football to restart (and restart safely), and get us towards some semblance of normality.
The great thing about America is that the states are a "natural laboratory" and we can learn from each other. If things were to go well in North Carolina and the ACC, that would bode well for restarting things in California and the Pac-12.
BC
(08-17-2020, 07:24 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: UNC athletes do have a carve out to stay on campus along with international students and those without highspeed internet access at home, while the rest got sent home.
I still think CFB is feasible but it would require testing and protocols like the pros have. Not sure its ethical to push for that when many parts of the country still have delayed and limited testing, even if it makes clear business sense as the cost of those tests are miniscule compared to the money being lost.
Would University of Texas or University of Florida hospital systems really use up hundreds of tests weekly and run them within 24 hours to keep football somewhat safe? Would Stanford? I bet a lot of doctors and patients waiting on tests in those hospitals would have problems with that (well, maybe not in SEC country).
(08-17-2020, 05:22 PM)DocSavage87 Wrote:(08-17-2020, 03:47 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: There is PLENTY of evidence to show large inside gatherings aren't safe. That's not me or anyone else wishing anything. It's just the facts. North Carolina's test positivity rate is 6%, which is more than the medical experts say is acceptable to have schools open. And it has the 9th most reported infections in the country.
I'm not wishing ill on anyone. Just throwing shade at those who ignore experts at their own peril.
I understand, but it's better "shade" to just be sad, disappointed, etc, than a LOL since nothing about virus spread is humorous.
(08-17-2020, 05:22 PM)DocSavage87 Wrote:(08-17-2020, 03:47 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: There is PLENTY of evidence to show large inside gatherings aren't safe. That's not me or anyone else wishing anything. It's just the facts. North Carolina's test positivity rate is 6%, which is more than the medical experts say is acceptable to have schools open. And it has the 9th most reported infections in the country.
I'm not wishing ill on anyone. Just throwing shade at those who ignore experts at their own peril.
I understand, but it's better "shade" to just be sad, disappointed, etc, than a LOL since nothing about virus spread is humorous.
(08-18-2020, 06:55 AM)DocSavage87 Wrote: UNC student paper editorial about the university's handling of the reopening:Most schools have ~50-80% of freshmen on campus and it is common for very few non-freshmen to live on campus. In those situations the campus policies will only cover a small fraction of the daily activities of the students.
http://dailytarheel.com/article/2020/08/...-edit-0816
Of course there were parties without masks.
(08-18-2020, 06:55 AM)DocSavage87 Wrote: UNC student paper editorial about the university's handling of the reopening:Most schools have ~50-80% of freshmen on campus and it is common for very few non-freshmen to live on campus. In those situations the campus policies will only cover a small fraction of the daily activities of the students.
http://dailytarheel.com/article/2020/08/...-edit-0816
Of course there were parties without masks.
(08-18-2020, 02:22 PM)Farm93 Wrote: Another "ACC" school closed campus.
This time it was Notre Dame. Their number of cases apparently tripled overnight and now they have ~150 cases.
I really hope the presidents in the ACC will ask if ignoring COVID's potential is the best decision. But here too with students out of the way Notre Dame might be able to keep playing football for at least a week or two. So that might be a good thing for ACC TV revenue.
Hopefully those impacted will recover quickly, but at some point a professor, coach or student will die if each university only decides to close after they have reached the level of 100+ documented cases. Really wish we had a national approach to COVID, but I know that's not happening in 2020.
(08-18-2020, 02:22 PM)Farm93 Wrote: Another "ACC" school closed campus.
This time it was Notre Dame. Their number of cases apparently tripled overnight and now they have ~150 cases.
I really hope the presidents in the ACC will ask if ignoring COVID's potential is the best decision. But here too with students out of the way Notre Dame might be able to keep playing football for at least a week or two. So that might be a good thing for ACC TV revenue.
Hopefully those impacted will recover quickly, but at some point a professor, coach or student will die if each university only decides to close after they have reached the level of 100+ documented cases. Really wish we had a national approach to COVID, but I know that's not happening in 2020.