[SamuelMcF]

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/A...151670457/

[SamuelMcF]

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/A...151670457/

[BostonCard]

Going to quote one of our own here.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoMightyCard/status/1307103675542908931?s=20[/tweet]

BC

[BostonCard]

Going to quote one of our own here.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoMightyCard/status/1307103675542908931?s=20[/tweet]

BC

[CardinalSagehen]

The 247sports report conflicts with ESPN's reporting by Kyle Bonagura and Heather Dinich, which says that the Pac-12 CEOs will reconvene next Thursday to vote.  The ESPN report came about an hour later at 5PM, after the meeting had adjourned, while the 247 report referred to information "trickling out" of the meeting.  

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ource-says

"The Pac-12 CEO Group had an informative and productive meeting earlier today," the group said in a statement. "We plan to reconvene this coming Thursday, September 24, to make a decision regarding possible return to play prior to January 1. The health and safety of our student-athletes and all those connected to Pac-12 sports will continue to be our number one priority in all of our decision making."

I suspect the the 247 reporting of a Nov. 7 start date is consistent with the target that was being discussed in the meeting, but the Pac-12 ended up not being ready to commit to it publicly.

[CardinalSagehen]

The 247sports report conflicts with ESPN's reporting by Kyle Bonagura and Heather Dinich, which says that the Pac-12 CEOs will reconvene next Thursday to vote.  The ESPN report came about an hour later at 5PM, after the meeting had adjourned, while the 247 report referred to information "trickling out" of the meeting.  

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ource-says

"The Pac-12 CEO Group had an informative and productive meeting earlier today," the group said in a statement. "We plan to reconvene this coming Thursday, September 24, to make a decision regarding possible return to play prior to January 1. The health and safety of our student-athletes and all those connected to Pac-12 sports will continue to be our number one priority in all of our decision making."

I suspect the the 247 reporting of a Nov. 7 start date is consistent with the target that was being discussed in the meeting, but the Pac-12 ended up not being ready to commit to it publicly.

[chrisk]

The 247sports report conflicts with ESPN's reporting by Kyle Bonagura and Heather Dinich, which says that the Pac-12 CEOs will reconvene next Thursday to vote.  The ESPN report came about an hour later at 5PM, after the meeting had adjourned, while the 247 report referred to information "trickling out" of the meeting.  

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ource-says

"The Pac-12 CEO Group had an informative and productive meeting earlier today," the group said in a statement. "We plan to reconvene this coming Thursday, September 24, to make a decision regarding possible return to play prior to January 1. The health and safety of our student-athletes and all those connected to Pac-12 sports will continue to be our number one priority in all of our decision making."

I suspect the the 247 reporting of a Nov. 7 start date is consistent with the target that was being discussed in the meeting, but the Pac-12 ended up not being ready to commit to it publicly.

The rapid test kits are said to be distributed next week. Stanford is having negotiations with Santa Clara County about the return to practice. They would probably have to start by October 31 to have a 7-game schedule.

[chrisk]

The 247sports report conflicts with ESPN's reporting by Kyle Bonagura and Heather Dinich, which says that the Pac-12 CEOs will reconvene next Thursday to vote.  The ESPN report came about an hour later at 5PM, after the meeting had adjourned, while the 247 report referred to information "trickling out" of the meeting.  

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ource-says

"The Pac-12 CEO Group had an informative and productive meeting earlier today," the group said in a statement. "We plan to reconvene this coming Thursday, September 24, to make a decision regarding possible return to play prior to January 1. The health and safety of our student-athletes and all those connected to Pac-12 sports will continue to be our number one priority in all of our decision making."

I suspect the the 247 reporting of a Nov. 7 start date is consistent with the target that was being discussed in the meeting, but the Pac-12 ended up not being ready to commit to it publicly.

The rapid test kits are said to be distributed next week. Stanford is having negotiations with Santa Clara County about the return to practice. They would probably have to start by October 31 to have a 7-game schedule.

[winflop]

Going to quote one of our own here.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoMightyCard/status/1307103675542908931?s=20[/tweet]

BC

While I get the sentiment, I abhor this "while we don't pay you anything" line. These students are getting an education for which many pay north of $75,000 per year. That's more than many college graduates make in their first job. Not sure where NIL stands at this point but they may also have that as a potential source of income.

It can be argued that they aren't being paid enough - and I support stipends - but I can't agree with a statement that they aren't being paid anything.

[winflop]

Going to quote one of our own here.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoMightyCard/status/1307103675542908931?s=20[/tweet]

BC

While I get the sentiment, I abhor this "while we don't pay you anything" line. These students are getting an education for which many pay north of $75,000 per year. That's more than many college graduates make in their first job. Not sure where NIL stands at this point but they may also have that as a potential source of income.

It can be argued that they aren't being paid enough - and I support stipends - but I can't agree with a statement that they aren't being paid anything.

[OutsiderFan]

Well, it’s not a two way street is kind of the point. It is true the athletes get some value, but waiving scholarship fees cost schools nothing. Schools must pay for meals, training staff, equipment, travel, but those are all COGS; every business has expenses.

[OutsiderFan]

Well, it’s not a two way street is kind of the point. It is true the athletes get some value, but waiving scholarship fees cost schools nothing. Schools must pay for meals, training staff, equipment, travel, but those are all COGS; every business has expenses.

[needle]

Well, it’s not a two way street is kind of the point. It is true the athletes get some value, but waiving scholarship fees cost schools nothing. Schools must pay for meals, training staff, equipment, travel, but those are all COGS; every business has expenses.

I think the Pac players have a lot of leverage now, arguably more so than players in any other conference (there are so many rabid B10 and SEC fans that any group of players "demanding" change in a way that would threaten the season might get booed out of the state; meanwhile Hank's position seems pretty popular among fans here).

But will they use it, and, if so, for what ends?

[needle]

Well, it’s not a two way street is kind of the point. It is true the athletes get some value, but waiving scholarship fees cost schools nothing. Schools must pay for meals, training staff, equipment, travel, but those are all COGS; every business has expenses.

I think the Pac players have a lot of leverage now, arguably more so than players in any other conference (there are so many rabid B10 and SEC fans that any group of players "demanding" change in a way that would threaten the season might get booed out of the state; meanwhile Hank's position seems pretty popular among fans here).

But will they use it, and, if so, for what ends?

[CardinalSagehen]

The latest. 

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https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status...82144?s=21
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https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status...99552?s=21
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[CardinalSagehen]

The latest. 

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https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status...82144?s=21
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https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status...99552?s=21
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[teejers1]

Well, it’s not a two way street is kind of the point. It is true the athletes get some value, but waiving scholarship fees cost schools nothing. Schools must pay for meals, training staff, equipment, travel, but those are all COGS; every business has expenses.

I think the Pac players have a lot of leverage now, arguably more so than players in any other conference (there are so many rabid B10 and SEC fans that any group of players "demanding" change in a way that would threaten the season might get booed out of the state; meanwhile Hank's position seems pretty popular among fans here).

But will they use it, and, if so, for what ends?

The players, as usual, have very little leverage.  Especially now.  No one (or very few) cares whether the Pac plays football or sits it out.  And making "demands" during a pandemic (other than safety-based ones) is such a bad look.

And btw, the "market value" - isn't that the term often cited by the "pay the players" crowd ? - of what these scholarship athletes are receiving is WAY higher than the tuition amount.  How much higher?  Well, you can take a look at the admissions scandal for some sort of market check.  The notion that scholarship athletes are not compensated is laughable.  As someone else said, the only question is whether it is "enough."  That is open to wide debate (and if not for Title IX, the major sports athletes might have more support for getting some kind of additional payment).

[teejers1]

Well, it’s not a two way street is kind of the point. It is true the athletes get some value, but waiving scholarship fees cost schools nothing. Schools must pay for meals, training staff, equipment, travel, but those are all COGS; every business has expenses.

I think the Pac players have a lot of leverage now, arguably more so than players in any other conference (there are so many rabid B10 and SEC fans that any group of players "demanding" change in a way that would threaten the season might get booed out of the state; meanwhile Hank's position seems pretty popular among fans here).

But will they use it, and, if so, for what ends?

The players, as usual, have very little leverage.  Especially now.  No one (or very few) cares whether the Pac plays football or sits it out.  And making "demands" during a pandemic (other than safety-based ones) is such a bad look.

And btw, the "market value" - isn't that the term often cited by the "pay the players" crowd ? - of what these scholarship athletes are receiving is WAY higher than the tuition amount.  How much higher?  Well, you can take a look at the admissions scandal for some sort of market check.  The notion that scholarship athletes are not compensated is laughable.  As someone else said, the only question is whether it is "enough."  That is open to wide debate (and if not for Title IX, the major sports athletes might have more support for getting some kind of additional payment).

[GK3]

Well, it’s not a two way street is kind of the point. It is true the athletes get some value, but waiving scholarship fees cost schools nothing. Schools must pay for meals, training staff, equipment, travel, but those are all COGS; every business has expenses.

I think the Pac players have a lot of leverage now, arguably more so than players in any other conference (there are so many rabid B10 and SEC fans that any group of players "demanding" change in a way that would threaten the season might get booed out of the state; meanwhile Hank's position seems pretty popular among fans here).

But will they use it, and, if so, for what ends?

The players, as usual, have very little leverage.  Especially now.  No one (or very few) cares whether the Pac plays football or sits it out.  And making "demands" during a pandemic (other than safety-based ones) is such a bad look.

And btw, the "market value" - isn't that the term often cited by the "pay the players" crowd ? - of what these scholarship athletes are receiving is WAY higher than the tuition amount.  How much higher?  Well, you can take a look at the admissions scandal for some sort of market check.  The notion that scholarship athletes are not compensated is laughable.  As someone else said, the only question is whether it is "enough."  That is open to wide debate (and if not for Title IX, the major sports athletes might have more support for getting some kind of additional payment).

If the conference says it is ok to come back and play revenue producing sports, then it should be ok for all fall sports to come back and work out a schedule.  It would be very telling if they say only revenue sports can play in the fall.

[GK3]

Well, it’s not a two way street is kind of the point. It is true the athletes get some value, but waiving scholarship fees cost schools nothing. Schools must pay for meals, training staff, equipment, travel, but those are all COGS; every business has expenses.

I think the Pac players have a lot of leverage now, arguably more so than players in any other conference (there are so many rabid B10 and SEC fans that any group of players "demanding" change in a way that would threaten the season might get booed out of the state; meanwhile Hank's position seems pretty popular among fans here).

But will they use it, and, if so, for what ends?

The players, as usual, have very little leverage.  Especially now.  No one (or very few) cares whether the Pac plays football or sits it out.  And making "demands" during a pandemic (other than safety-based ones) is such a bad look.

And btw, the "market value" - isn't that the term often cited by the "pay the players" crowd ? - of what these scholarship athletes are receiving is WAY higher than the tuition amount.  How much higher?  Well, you can take a look at the admissions scandal for some sort of market check.  The notion that scholarship athletes are not compensated is laughable.  As someone else said, the only question is whether it is "enough."  That is open to wide debate (and if not for Title IX, the major sports athletes might have more support for getting some kind of additional payment).

If the conference says it is ok to come back and play revenue producing sports, then it should be ok for all fall sports to come back and work out a schedule.  It would be very telling if they say only revenue sports can play in the fall.

[JustAnotherFan]

Does anyone know how many Pac-12 players entered the transfer portal and then transferred since the summer? Didn't Texas Tech pick up like 5 players from Pac-12 teams? Not only is this a public health risk it seems like it might put an even more inferior product on the field making the Pac-12 look even worse.

[JustAnotherFan]

Does anyone know how many Pac-12 players entered the transfer portal and then transferred since the summer? Didn't Texas Tech pick up like 5 players from Pac-12 teams? Not only is this a public health risk it seems like it might put an even more inferior product on the field making the Pac-12 look even worse.

[SamuelMcF]

Does anyone know how many Pac-12 players entered the transfer portal and then transferred since the summer? Didn't Texas Tech pick up like 5 players from Pac-12 teams? Not only is this a public health risk it seems like it might put an even more inferior product on the field making the Pac-12 look even worse.

I can tell you Wazzu's entire WR corps is gone, Arizona had a million guys in the portal (before Covid though), and Cal lost a couple guys to transfer recently. Not sure beyond that.

[SamuelMcF]

Does anyone know how many Pac-12 players entered the transfer portal and then transferred since the summer? Didn't Texas Tech pick up like 5 players from Pac-12 teams? Not only is this a public health risk it seems like it might put an even more inferior product on the field making the Pac-12 look even worse.

I can tell you Wazzu's entire WR corps is gone, Arizona had a million guys in the portal (before Covid though), and Cal lost a couple guys to transfer recently. Not sure beyond that.

[fullmetal]

Fine by me.  Stanford needs all the help they can get :)

[fullmetal]

Fine by me.  Stanford needs all the help they can get :)

[BostonCard]

While I get the sentiment, I abhor this "while we don't pay you anything" line. These students are getting an education for which many pay north of $75,000 per year. That's more than many college graduates make in their first job. Not sure where NIL stands at this point but they may also have that as a potential source of income.


It can be argued that they aren't being paid enough - and I support stipends - but I can't agree with a statement that they aren't being paid anything.

Yeah, I quoted it out of sentiment.  The bottom line is that patina of legitimacy to the argument that the NCAA uses to not pay players a salary (that the student athletes are amateurs) looks incredibly thin now that their actions have betrayed how they otherwise act like it is a professional league.  You can tell that football is categorically different by the way it is treated differently than other fall sports and by the extraordinary resources that are being expended to get college football up and running.

It is disgusting.

BC

[BostonCard]

While I get the sentiment, I abhor this "while we don't pay you anything" line. These students are getting an education for which many pay north of $75,000 per year. That's more than many college graduates make in their first job. Not sure where NIL stands at this point but they may also have that as a potential source of income.


It can be argued that they aren't being paid enough - and I support stipends - but I can't agree with a statement that they aren't being paid anything.

Yeah, I quoted it out of sentiment.  The bottom line is that patina of legitimacy to the argument that the NCAA uses to not pay players a salary (that the student athletes are amateurs) looks incredibly thin now that their actions have betrayed how they otherwise act like it is a professional league.  You can tell that football is categorically different by the way it is treated differently than other fall sports and by the extraordinary resources that are being expended to get college football up and running.

It is disgusting.

BC

[JustAnotherFan]

Fine by me.  Stanford needs all the help they can get :)

Yeah, and when Stanford finishes with a season record of 4-3 thanks to wins over Washington State, Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State (losses to UCLA, Washington, and USC, with all the other games cancelled due to positive Covid-19 tests) people will sing Shaw's praises as a winning coach again.

[JustAnotherFan]

Fine by me.  Stanford needs all the help they can get :)

Yeah, and when Stanford finishes with a season record of 4-3 thanks to wins over Washington State, Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State (losses to UCLA, Washington, and USC, with all the other games cancelled due to positive Covid-19 tests) people will sing Shaw's praises as a winning coach again.

[OutsiderFan]

Fine by me.  Stanford needs all the help they can get :)

Yeah, and when Stanford finishes with a season record of 4-3 thanks to wins over Washington State, Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State (losses to UCLA, Washington, and USC, with all the other games cancelled due to positive Covid-19 tests) people will sing Shaw's praises as a winning coach again.

Why would you think Stanford will beat Cal this year?

[OutsiderFan]

Fine by me.  Stanford needs all the help they can get :)

Yeah, and when Stanford finishes with a season record of 4-3 thanks to wins over Washington State, Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State (losses to UCLA, Washington, and USC, with all the other games cancelled due to positive Covid-19 tests) people will sing Shaw's praises as a winning coach again.

Why would you think Stanford will beat Cal this year?

[gailtate]

Fine by me.  Stanford needs all the help they can get :)

Yeah, and when Stanford finishes with a season record of 4-3 thanks to wins over Washington State, Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State (losses to UCLA, Washington, and USC, with all the other games cancelled due to positive Covid-19 tests) people will sing Shaw's praises as a winning coach again.

Why would you think Stanford will beat Cal this year?

Same question. As of right now, this looks like a loss in Berkeley. To a superior roster and a wilier coach.

[gailtate]

Fine by me.  Stanford needs all the help they can get :)

Yeah, and when Stanford finishes with a season record of 4-3 thanks to wins over Washington State, Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State (losses to UCLA, Washington, and USC, with all the other games cancelled due to positive Covid-19 tests) people will sing Shaw's praises as a winning coach again.

Why would you think Stanford will beat Cal this year?

Same question. As of right now, this looks like a loss in Berkeley. To a superior roster and a wilier coach.

[TreesAndBirds]

We’re the main hold out

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/A...151726326/

[TreesAndBirds]

We’re the main hold out

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/A...151726326/

[BobK]

Interesting that it’s been reported UCLA is the hold out.

[BobK]

Interesting that it’s been reported UCLA is the hold out.

[Phogge]

Good for Stanford. Drop to D3, let the players who want to transfer leave and focus on being an academic university. Dropping the Olympic Sports was the first step. Stanford will never go for the idea of paying the kids anyway.

And never threaten to leave the field. Just do it. The U will gain tremendous respect.

[Phogge]

Good for Stanford. Drop to D3, let the players who want to transfer leave and focus on being an academic university. Dropping the Olympic Sports was the first step. Stanford will never go for the idea of paying the kids anyway.

And never threaten to leave the field. Just do it. The U will gain tremendous respect.