[lex24]

Great! We gave up our season ticks for next year but remain of immense proportions fans. KG was often unhittable for 4 innings. Then stamina, and/or injury would limit. Hopefully, he can stretch out to 7 innings on a regular basis.

Stats bear that out.  Innings 1-3, hitters hit .160 against him.  Innings 4-6, hitters hit .278 with .845 OPS.  more to the point, he was unhittable the first plate appearance, pretty good the second plate appearance, third plate appearance he got smacked around.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/playe...#all_innng

Third time around is the big thing now.  Smoltz put it quite well - when he was a starter he didn’t come out of the shoot throwing everything he had. Today pitchers do.  So hitters have seen everything once through the order. At most twice.  Smoltz is too kind to say what he really meant - in his era, they pitched.  Today most just throw. 

Again, math.  And baseball becoming nothing but a power game.

[lex24]

Great! We gave up our season ticks for next year but remain of immense proportions fans. KG was often unhittable for 4 innings. Then stamina, and/or injury would limit. Hopefully, he can stretch out to 7 innings on a regular basis.

Stats bear that out.  Innings 1-3, hitters hit .160 against him.  Innings 4-6, hitters hit .278 with .845 OPS.  more to the point, he was unhittable the first plate appearance, pretty good the second plate appearance, third plate appearance he got smacked around.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/playe...#all_innng

Third time around is the big thing now.  Smoltz put it quite well - when he was a starter he didn’t come out of the shoot throwing everything he had. Today pitchers do.  So hitters have seen everything once through the order. At most twice.  Smoltz is too kind to say what he really meant - in his era, they pitched.  Today most just throw. 

Again, math.  And baseball becoming nothing but a power game.

[Phogge]

All they do in the NFL is throw too.

[Phogge]

All they do in the NFL is throw too.

[Mick]

Evolution of pitching has been interesting.  They're called "pitchers" and it's "pitching" because in the early days of baseball, it was like pitching horseshoes.  You couldn't throw it overhand to the batter, and you weren't allowed to snap your wrist.  Balls weren't called for the first 19 years or so...anyway, the story of the evolution of pitching:

https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/pitching-evo...d3a5ebaa83

[Mick]

Evolution of pitching has been interesting.  They're called "pitchers" and it's "pitching" because in the early days of baseball, it was like pitching horseshoes.  You couldn't throw it overhand to the batter, and you weren't allowed to snap your wrist.  Balls weren't called for the first 19 years or so...anyway, the story of the evolution of pitching:

https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/pitching-evo...d3a5ebaa83

[BobK]

Smyly signs with the Braves one year $11M
Just read a story that a number of lefties in their late 30s are available
Phogge go port side

[BobK]

Smyly signs with the Braves one year $11M
Just read a story that a number of lefties in their late 30s are available
Phogge go port side

[Giants]

Smyly signs with the Braves one year $11M
Just read a story that a number of lefties in their late 30s are available
Phogge go port side

Bob, Keep an eye on Alex Wood.

[Giants]

Smyly signs with the Braves one year $11M
Just read a story that a number of lefties in their late 30s are available
Phogge go port side

Bob, Keep an eye on Alex Wood.

[teejers1]

Smyly signs with the Braves one year $11M
Just read a story that a number of lefties in their late 30s are available
Phogge go port side

I don't know Smyly's history - was he with the Braves before the Giants?

1 year at $11M seems very reasonable for a pretty good (to good) starting pitcher, which I think Smyly is.  Did the Giants offer him anything along those lines?

[teejers1]

Smyly signs with the Braves one year $11M
Just read a story that a number of lefties in their late 30s are available
Phogge go port side

I don't know Smyly's history - was he with the Braves before the Giants?

1 year at $11M seems very reasonable for a pretty good (to good) starting pitcher, which I think Smyly is.  Did the Giants offer him anything along those lines?

[lex24]

Smyly signs with the Braves one year $11M
Just read a story that a number of lefties in their late 30s are available
Phogge go port side

I don't know Smyly's history - was he with the Braves before the Giants?

1 year at $11M seems very reasonable for a pretty good (to good) starting pitcher, which I think Smyly is.  Did the Giants offer him anything along those lines?

Phillies.  If he stays healthy and pitches like he did in ‘20, the Braves got a bargain.  Heath big issue.  Don’t know if Giants made similar offer.  I think they should have.

Not an Alex Wood fan, btw.

[lex24]

Smyly signs with the Braves one year $11M
Just read a story that a number of lefties in their late 30s are available
Phogge go port side

I don't know Smyly's history - was he with the Braves before the Giants?

1 year at $11M seems very reasonable for a pretty good (to good) starting pitcher, which I think Smyly is.  Did the Giants offer him anything along those lines?

Phillies.  If he stays healthy and pitches like he did in ‘20, the Braves got a bargain.  Heath big issue.  Don’t know if Giants made similar offer.  I think they should have.

Not an Alex Wood fan, btw.

[BobK]

Alex Wood 48 innings last two years. Yep fits into the new Giants plan
But in 2017 went 16-3 for the Dodgers

[BobK]

Alex Wood 48 innings last two years. Yep fits into the new Giants plan
But in 2017 went 16-3 for the Dodgers

[Phogge]

Lindy McDaniel loses battle with Covid. Trivia: With the Cardinals a brother act, who?

[Phogge]

Lindy McDaniel loses battle with Covid. Trivia: With the Cardinals a brother act, who?

[Phogge]

I can do almost nothing with my left hand Bobbbb plus rotator cuff impingement June of ‘19. Still blaze from the right side but would need six weeks of buildup. Have there been any 74 year old pitchers?

[Phogge]

I can do almost nothing with my left hand Bobbbb plus rotator cuff impingement June of ‘19. Still blaze from the right side but would need six weeks of buildup. Have there been any 74 year old pitchers?

[BobK]

I used to play with a friend and my brother and at times threw left handed. Like in the 50s lol

[BobK]

I used to play with a friend and my brother and at times threw left handed. Like in the 50s lol

[BobK]

Von Also a pitcher

[BobK]

Von Also a pitcher

[Phogge]

Bobbbbb, another gem from the Big Red School Of Spelling.

Change the C to a V.

[Phogge]

Bobbbbb, another gem from the Big Red School Of Spelling.

Change the C to a V.

[BobK]

I was thinking of Con Dempsey lol

[BobK]

I was thinking of Con Dempsey lol

[Phogge]

I played for Con Dempsey at Giannini JHS in 1959 before I entered SI the next year. Signed by the Pirates, hurt, signed with the Phillies and never regained form. Taught for many years. Pitcher of the Year in the PCL after starring at USF. Laid back coach later worked for the SF team in the Examiner All Star game. Nice man.

[Phogge]

I played for Con Dempsey at Giannini JHS in 1959 before I entered SI the next year. Signed by the Pirates, hurt, signed with the Phillies and never regained form. Taught for many years. Pitcher of the Year in the PCL after starring at USF. Laid back coach later worked for the SF team in the Examiner All Star game. Nice man.

[Mick]

Brett or Reuss, I think.

[Mick]

Brett or Reuss, I think.

[Phogge]

1957:

Lindy 15-9, 3.49, age 21
Von 7-5, 3.22, age 18

Von got hurt the next year and was done.

[Phogge]

1957:

Lindy 15-9, 3.49, age 21
Von 7-5, 3.22, age 18

Von got hurt the next year and was done.

[Mick]

1957:

Lindy 15-9, 3.49, age 21
Von 7-5, 3.22, age 18

Von got hurt the next year and was done.

Von was an interesting case.  He didn't have arm problems, he altered his delivery and got Steve Blass disease.  Couldn't hit the plate.  Turned into a third baseman, hit 14 home runs in the minors, but couldn't make the parent club.  Tough.

[Mick]

1957:

Lindy 15-9, 3.49, age 21
Von 7-5, 3.22, age 18

Von got hurt the next year and was done.

Von was an interesting case.  He didn't have arm problems, he altered his delivery and got Steve Blass disease.  Couldn't hit the plate.  Turned into a third baseman, hit 14 home runs in the minors, but couldn't make the parent club.  Tough.

[Mick]

Trevor Bauer.  Only wants a one year deal.  NL-best 1.73 ERA.

Taijuan Walker.  4-3, 28 yrs old, 1.16 WHIP in 11 starts.

Charlie Morton.  2019 Cy Young finalist, all-star in 2018 and 2019, mediocre 2020 season, was 3-1 with very strong postseason in 2020.

Mike Minor, all star and #8 in 2019 Cy Young voting, not good in 2020, but had good WHIP of 1.248.

[Mick]

Trevor Bauer.  Only wants a one year deal.  NL-best 1.73 ERA.

Taijuan Walker.  4-3, 28 yrs old, 1.16 WHIP in 11 starts.

Charlie Morton.  2019 Cy Young finalist, all-star in 2018 and 2019, mediocre 2020 season, was 3-1 with very strong postseason in 2020.

Mike Minor, all star and #8 in 2019 Cy Young voting, not good in 2020, but had good WHIP of 1.248.

[Giants]

Alex Wood 48 innings last two years.  Yep fits into the new Giants plan
But in 2017 went 16-3 for the Dodgers

He is definitely a “Farhan kinda guy” - coming off injuries, big-time upside, reasonable cost, and, of course, left-handed.  He is a Gausman/Smyly type of pitcher.  Pay him a few million, watch him flourish and flip him in July for high value prospects.

Note: Zaidi traded for him when he was working for the Dodgers.

[Giants]

Alex Wood 48 innings last two years.  Yep fits into the new Giants plan
But in 2017 went 16-3 for the Dodgers

He is definitely a “Farhan kinda guy” - coming off injuries, big-time upside, reasonable cost, and, of course, left-handed.  He is a Gausman/Smyly type of pitcher.  Pay him a few million, watch him flourish and flip him in July for high value prospects.

Note: Zaidi traded for him when he was working for the Dodgers.