07-09-2021, 08:40 PM
Greg Clark
07-09-2021, 11:41 PM
Heartbreaking. Saw this yesterday but wanted to wait for more information. Progress on neurological diseases is frustratingly slow.
Cheers,
Pete F.
Cheers,
Pete F.
Heartbreaking. Saw this yesterday but wanted to wait for more information. Progress on neurological diseases is frustratingly slow.
Cheers,
Pete F.
Cheers,
Pete F.
07-10-2021, 07:15 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-10-2021, 07:16 AM by OutsiderFan.)
The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
(This post was last modified: 07-10-2021, 07:16 AM by OutsiderFan.)
The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
07-11-2021, 09:19 PM
(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
07-11-2021, 10:09 PM
(07-11-2021, 09:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
Why? Clearly, you disagree with something I said. I'd like to know what, specifically.
(07-11-2021, 09:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
Why? Clearly, you disagree with something I said. I'd like to know what, specifically.
(07-11-2021, 10:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-11-2021, 09:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
Why? Clearly, you disagree with something I said. I'd like to know what, specifically.
The thread was about the sad death of a young former Stanford football player. You turned it in to something about you and your pessimistic world view. But I should have kept my thoughts to myself.
(07-11-2021, 10:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-11-2021, 09:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
Why? Clearly, you disagree with something I said. I'd like to know what, specifically.
The thread was about the sad death of a young former Stanford football player. You turned it in to something about you and your pessimistic world view. But I should have kept my thoughts to myself.
07-12-2021, 08:42 AM
(07-12-2021, 07:28 AM)lex24 Wrote:(07-11-2021, 10:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-11-2021, 09:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
Why? Clearly, you disagree with something I said. I'd like to know what, specifically.
The thread was about the sad death of a young former Stanford football player. You turned it in to something about you and your pessimistic world view. But I should have kept my thoughts to myself.
Whenever I say something that touches on personal matters, I explain where I come from so people understand.
My point for making the post was to preemptively blunt any arguments about football being unsafe to play, etc., that people on this board have a proclivity to make when we learn football players die younger than might otherwise be expected. I didn't want to see Clark's death used as a justification to attack playing football.
Last night I just learned a friend's neighbor was killed in the VTA shooting and the shooter went to my High School. My dad's barber's daughter was killed by the Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooter. One of my best friends died of brain cancer when he was 37. Another friend had a cousin killed in a mass shooting in CT. Lots of people die too young even without taking risks, so now you understand more about what I posted and why.
(07-12-2021, 07:28 AM)lex24 Wrote:(07-11-2021, 10:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-11-2021, 09:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
Why? Clearly, you disagree with something I said. I'd like to know what, specifically.
The thread was about the sad death of a young former Stanford football player. You turned it in to something about you and your pessimistic world view. But I should have kept my thoughts to myself.
Whenever I say something that touches on personal matters, I explain where I come from so people understand.
My point for making the post was to preemptively blunt any arguments about football being unsafe to play, etc., that people on this board have a proclivity to make when we learn football players die younger than might otherwise be expected. I didn't want to see Clark's death used as a justification to attack playing football.
Last night I just learned a friend's neighbor was killed in the VTA shooting and the shooter went to my High School. My dad's barber's daughter was killed by the Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooter. One of my best friends died of brain cancer when he was 37. Another friend had a cousin killed in a mass shooting in CT. Lots of people die too young even without taking risks, so now you understand more about what I posted and why.
07-12-2021, 08:56 AM
Lex is right, it was a pretty damned callous post in a thread about the death about a specific athlete, one that some posters on this board may have known personally.
I am sorry for your losses. May their memories be a blessing. I would hope that might make you more sensitive others' tragic losses.
BC
I am sorry for your losses. May their memories be a blessing. I would hope that might make you more sensitive others' tragic losses.
BC
Lex is right, it was a pretty damned callous post in a thread about the death about a specific athlete, one that some posters on this board may have known personally.
I am sorry for your losses. May their memories be a blessing. I would hope that might make you more sensitive others' tragic losses.
BC
I am sorry for your losses. May their memories be a blessing. I would hope that might make you more sensitive others' tragic losses.
BC
07-12-2021, 10:30 AM
(07-12-2021, 08:56 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Lex is right, it was a pretty damned callous post in a thread about the death about a specific athlete, one that some posters on this board may have known personally.
I am sorry for your losses. May their memories be a blessing. I would hope that might make you more sensitive others' tragic losses.
BC
So, is there a moderator here on proper level of sensitivity now, too?
And what does and does not constitute same?
I've clashed with OF plenty, but read his post as more silver lining than anything: you can live a fulfilled life - even if truncated - if you lived life doing what you love. Not everyone gets to do that.
But I guess that's not sensitive, either.
(07-12-2021, 08:56 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Lex is right, it was a pretty damned callous post in a thread about the death about a specific athlete, one that some posters on this board may have known personally.
I am sorry for your losses. May their memories be a blessing. I would hope that might make you more sensitive others' tragic losses.
BC
So, is there a moderator here on proper level of sensitivity now, too?
And what does and does not constitute same?
I've clashed with OF plenty, but read his post as more silver lining than anything: you can live a fulfilled life - even if truncated - if you lived life doing what you love. Not everyone gets to do that.
But I guess that's not sensitive, either.
07-12-2021, 11:28 AM
I thought OF's post was insensitive, and it appears I wasn't the only one. It's an opinion; you disagree, as is your right. OF is within his rights to post, since there was nothing political about it, but that should not shield him from criticism.
BC
BC
I thought OF's post was insensitive, and it appears I wasn't the only one. It's an opinion; you disagree, as is your right. OF is within his rights to post, since there was nothing political about it, but that should not shield him from criticism.
BC
BC
07-12-2021, 12:00 PM
(07-12-2021, 11:01 AM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(07-12-2021, 10:30 AM)teejers1 Wrote: So, is there a moderator here on proper level of sensitivity now, too?
And what does and does not constitute same?
Think of it as "Would I say this at his funeral?"
Well, I'll give you that folks in these parts are sooooo earnest, and sooooo serious, and sooooo full of deep thoughts . . . that this place resembles a funeral at times.
[And I'm not talking about the funeral for Stanford football that I've been saying is just around the corner for a couple years now!].
(07-12-2021, 11:01 AM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(07-12-2021, 10:30 AM)teejers1 Wrote: So, is there a moderator here on proper level of sensitivity now, too?
And what does and does not constitute same?
Think of it as "Would I say this at his funeral?"
Well, I'll give you that folks in these parts are sooooo earnest, and sooooo serious, and sooooo full of deep thoughts . . . that this place resembles a funeral at times.
[And I'm not talking about the funeral for Stanford football that I've been saying is just around the corner for a couple years now!].
07-12-2021, 02:57 PM
Back to Greg Clark...
You can read his family's statement here:
[twitter]https://twitter.com/vernKPIX/status/1413630905806065664[/twitter]
You can read his family's statement here:
[twitter]https://twitter.com/vernKPIX/status/1413630905806065664[/twitter]
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
Back to Greg Clark...
You can read his family's statement here:
[twitter]https://twitter.com/vernKPIX/status/1413630905806065664[/twitter]
You can read his family's statement here:
[twitter]https://twitter.com/vernKPIX/status/1413630905806065664[/twitter]
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
(07-12-2021, 08:42 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-12-2021, 07:28 AM)lex24 Wrote:(07-11-2021, 10:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-11-2021, 09:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
Why? Clearly, you disagree with something I said. I'd like to know what, specifically.
The thread was about the sad death of a young former Stanford football player. You turned it in to something about you and your pessimistic world view. But I should have kept my thoughts to myself.
Whenever I say something that touches on personal matters, I explain where I come from so people understand.
My point for making the post was to preemptively blunt any arguments about football being unsafe to play, etc., that people on this board have a proclivity to make when we learn football players die younger than might otherwise be expected. I didn't want to see Clark's death used as a justification to attack playing football.
Last night I just learned a friend's neighbor was killed in the VTA shooting and the shooter went to my High School. My dad's barber's daughter was killed by the Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooter. One of my best friends died of brain cancer when he was 37. Another friend had a cousin killed in a mass shooting in CT. Lots of people die too young even without taking risks, so now you understand more about what I posted and why.
Im sorry. All that is tragic. But this thread was about Greg Clark.
(07-12-2021, 08:42 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-12-2021, 07:28 AM)lex24 Wrote:(07-11-2021, 10:09 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-11-2021, 09:19 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-10-2021, 07:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The shittier our world gets, the less I'm bothered by these types of stories. Greg Clark may have died "too soon" and it might have been as a result of his football playing (and practicing), but we all have to die of something, some time. If someone dies young as a result of doing what they wanted and wouldn't trade it for anything else, they lived a more fulfilled life than some who lived much longer. Who am I to judge?
The football enterprise has to worry about whether other people are as forgiving as me on this issue, so has taken many steps to lessen the numbers of collisions a player experiences in the game since Clark played. still, it's frustrating there are no known markers for who is more susceptible to brain damage by cumulative hits than others. It leaves everyone in a situation they are rolling the dice to play contact sports like football, but we all make decisions to make bets or take risks with our lives in the quest for happiness and fulfillment all the time. Most of those choices don't end up in early death or misery, but others don't take any known risks only to suffer terrible life outcomes anyway too.
What a pathetic post…..
Why? Clearly, you disagree with something I said. I'd like to know what, specifically.
The thread was about the sad death of a young former Stanford football player. You turned it in to something about you and your pessimistic world view. But I should have kept my thoughts to myself.
Whenever I say something that touches on personal matters, I explain where I come from so people understand.
My point for making the post was to preemptively blunt any arguments about football being unsafe to play, etc., that people on this board have a proclivity to make when we learn football players die younger than might otherwise be expected. I didn't want to see Clark's death used as a justification to attack playing football.
Last night I just learned a friend's neighbor was killed in the VTA shooting and the shooter went to my High School. My dad's barber's daughter was killed by the Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooter. One of my best friends died of brain cancer when he was 37. Another friend had a cousin killed in a mass shooting in CT. Lots of people die too young even without taking risks, so now you understand more about what I posted and why.
Im sorry. All that is tragic. But this thread was about Greg Clark.
07-12-2021, 09:37 PM
(07-12-2021, 02:57 PM)Papa John Wrote: Back to Greg Clark...Greg was a summer “intern” at my PA law firm. I remember him as a pleasant, bright and hard-working (and big) young man with an awesome deep voice. It saddens me that he’s gone. My deepest sympathies to his family.
You can read his family's statement here:
[twitter]https://twitter.com/vernKPIX/status/1413630905806065664[/twitter]
(07-12-2021, 02:57 PM)Papa John Wrote: Back to Greg Clark...Greg was a summer “intern” at my PA law firm. I remember him as a pleasant, bright and hard-working (and big) young man with an awesome deep voice. It saddens me that he’s gone. My deepest sympathies to his family.
You can read his family's statement here:
[twitter]https://twitter.com/vernKPIX/status/1413630905806065664[/twitter]
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