[Class_of_75]

https://gostanford.com/news/2021/12/29/m...poned.aspx

[Class_of_75]

https://gostanford.com/news/2021/12/29/m...poned.aspx

[Phogge]

Yeah and the BGL Reunion Lunch got postponed too.

[Phogge]

Yeah and the BGL Reunion Lunch got postponed too.

[chrisk]

Cal has already lined up to host Arizona State Sunday after the Sun Devils trip to LA was wiped out.

[chrisk]

Cal has already lined up to host Arizona State Sunday after the Sun Devils trip to LA was wiped out.

[Papa John]

So are all of these Pac-12 conference games that aren't being played really postponed? Or is canceled a more appropriate term?

There's not a lot of wiggle room in the schedule by the time conference play starts. and I don't see the conference messing with the conference tournament in Las Vegas.

I guess Stanford could do a home game with Cal sometime around Feb. 23. But other schools have postponed games with multiple conference opponents. I think UCLA is up to 3 postponements.

[Papa John]

So are all of these Pac-12 conference games that aren't being played really postponed? Or is canceled a more appropriate term?

There's not a lot of wiggle room in the schedule by the time conference play starts. and I don't see the conference messing with the conference tournament in Las Vegas.

I guess Stanford could do a home game with Cal sometime around Feb. 23. But other schools have postponed games with multiple conference opponents. I think UCLA is up to 3 postponements.

[teejers1]

So are all of these Pac-12 conference games that aren't being played really postponed? Or is canceled a more appropriate term?

There's not a lot of wiggle room in the schedule by the time conference play starts. and I don't see the conference messing with the conference tournament in Las Vegas.

I guess Stanford could do a home game with Cal sometime around Feb. 23. But other schools have postponed games with multiple conference opponents. I think UCLA is up to 3 postponements.

Where there's a will (or a need), there's a way.  There is no prohibition on playing 4 games in 7 days.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if conference games are ultimately canceled/not played.

[teejers1]

So are all of these Pac-12 conference games that aren't being played really postponed? Or is canceled a more appropriate term?

There's not a lot of wiggle room in the schedule by the time conference play starts. and I don't see the conference messing with the conference tournament in Las Vegas.

I guess Stanford could do a home game with Cal sometime around Feb. 23. But other schools have postponed games with multiple conference opponents. I think UCLA is up to 3 postponements.

Where there's a will (or a need), there's a way.  There is no prohibition on playing 4 games in 7 days.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if conference games are ultimately canceled/not played.

[M T]

There is no prohibition on playing 4 games in 7 days.

There are limits in the rules about how much time can be spent in practice & games, presumably to allow time for actual education as part of the undergraduate curriculum.  I'd agree that basketball games are probably not more strenuous than practices, so it is conceivable that this could physically work.  But, if you add in travel time, it pretty much means you are not able to study.   (You wouldn't want to do 4 FB games in 7 days for physical wear & tear reasons.)

Was it last year that some tennis team tried to claim doing 4(?) matches in a single day?  (And then were told it didn't count because they changed their roster in non-acceptable fashion.)

[M T]

There is no prohibition on playing 4 games in 7 days.

There are limits in the rules about how much time can be spent in practice & games, presumably to allow time for actual education as part of the undergraduate curriculum.  I'd agree that basketball games are probably not more strenuous than practices, so it is conceivable that this could physically work.  But, if you add in travel time, it pretty much means you are not able to study.   (You wouldn't want to do 4 FB games in 7 days for physical wear & tear reasons.)

Was it last year that some tennis team tried to claim doing 4(?) matches in a single day?  (And then were told it didn't count because they changed their roster in non-acceptable fashion.)

[DC 86]

There is no prohibition on playing 4 games in 7 days.

There are limits in the rules about how much time can be spent in practice & games, presumably to allow time for actual education as part of the undergraduate curriculum.  I'd agree that basketball games are probably not more strenuous than practices, so it is conceivable that this could physically work.  But, if you add in travel time, it pretty much means you are not able to study.   (You wouldn't want to do 4 FB games in 7 days for physical wear & tear reasons.)

Was it last year that some tennis team tried to claim doing 4(?) matches in a single day?  (And then were told it didn't count because they changed their roster in non-acceptable fashion.)

At the 2019 Pac-12 tournament Oregon played four games in four days en route to the title, so it's certainly doable.

[DC 86]

There is no prohibition on playing 4 games in 7 days.

There are limits in the rules about how much time can be spent in practice & games, presumably to allow time for actual education as part of the undergraduate curriculum.  I'd agree that basketball games are probably not more strenuous than practices, so it is conceivable that this could physically work.  But, if you add in travel time, it pretty much means you are not able to study.   (You wouldn't want to do 4 FB games in 7 days for physical wear & tear reasons.)

Was it last year that some tennis team tried to claim doing 4(?) matches in a single day?  (And then were told it didn't count because they changed their roster in non-acceptable fashion.)

At the 2019 Pac-12 tournament Oregon played four games in four days en route to the title, so it's certainly doable.

[Farm93]

At the 2019 Pac-12 tournament Oregon played four games in four days en route to the title, so it's certainly doable.

But those four games were all at the tournament site.   In these cases you would need to have teams flying all over the Pac-12 just to play a game and then jet out to another campus or back to their dorms.   

It would seem like the only way to avoid having very challenging makeup game travel would be to avoid travel.   To make it worse that travel is probably contributing the the spread on these pro and college sports teams so bouncing from town to town may make things worse.

Unlike a fire, or hurricane, things won't really be better in a few days or even a few weeks, so it really feels like the postponed games will be cancelled eventually.

The grind to make up games will probably not get more bids for the conference AND would leave the tourney-bound teams vulnerable to early NCAA tournament exits because of the fatigue.    The Pac-12 should implement conference level load management and skip the missing games.

[Farm93]

At the 2019 Pac-12 tournament Oregon played four games in four days en route to the title, so it's certainly doable.

But those four games were all at the tournament site.   In these cases you would need to have teams flying all over the Pac-12 just to play a game and then jet out to another campus or back to their dorms.   

It would seem like the only way to avoid having very challenging makeup game travel would be to avoid travel.   To make it worse that travel is probably contributing the the spread on these pro and college sports teams so bouncing from town to town may make things worse.

Unlike a fire, or hurricane, things won't really be better in a few days or even a few weeks, so it really feels like the postponed games will be cancelled eventually.

The grind to make up games will probably not get more bids for the conference AND would leave the tourney-bound teams vulnerable to early NCAA tournament exits because of the fatigue.    The Pac-12 should implement conference level load management and skip the missing games.

[needle]

If there is money to be made by playing the games, they will be played.

[needle]

If there is money to be made by playing the games, they will be played.

[chrisk]

If there is money to be made by playing the games, they will be played.

The NHL has postponed games in Canada because the 50% attendance restrictions would hurt revenue too much if played as scheduled.

[chrisk]

If there is money to be made by playing the games, they will be played.

The NHL has postponed games in Canada because the 50% attendance restrictions would hurt revenue too much if played as scheduled.

[Farm93]

If there is money to be made by playing the games, they will be played.

There will be more money to be made by doing everything possible to get the 3 teams that will get decent NCAA tournament seeds the best chance to advance deep into the tournament. 

For example, UCLA and USC can play a bunch of games, likely with COVID attendance limitations and few students on campus, only to flame out early in the NCAA tournament OR they can just get back to the normal schedule and get ready for a deep run in the tournament.

The tournament performance money is bigger and provides a revenue stream in future years too, so that feels like that better path.   I guess we will see but if the LA area goes back to attendance restrictions and/or the students are discouraged from returning to campus, then the tournament optimization path will win out as make up games on Mondays and Tuesdays in empty arenas will not generate a lot of money.

[Farm93]

If there is money to be made by playing the games, they will be played.

There will be more money to be made by doing everything possible to get the 3 teams that will get decent NCAA tournament seeds the best chance to advance deep into the tournament. 

For example, UCLA and USC can play a bunch of games, likely with COVID attendance limitations and few students on campus, only to flame out early in the NCAA tournament OR they can just get back to the normal schedule and get ready for a deep run in the tournament.

The tournament performance money is bigger and provides a revenue stream in future years too, so that feels like that better path.   I guess we will see but if the LA area goes back to attendance restrictions and/or the students are discouraged from returning to campus, then the tournament optimization path will win out as make up games on Mondays and Tuesdays in empty arenas will not generate a lot of money.

[BostonCard]

Except that there is no guarantee that being “rested” will lead to a deep run, or that playing a bunch of games will prevent it.

Last year, I wouldn’t have pegged that playing for two months on the road would have been conducive to a national title for the women’s team, but then it happened.

BC

[BostonCard]

Except that there is no guarantee that being “rested” will lead to a deep run, or that playing a bunch of games will prevent it.

Last year, I wouldn’t have pegged that playing for two months on the road would have been conducive to a national title for the women’s team, but then it happened.

BC