[martyup]

Belmont wins 73-70 after two overtimes

Duck fans are not happy.

[martyup]

Belmont wins 73-70 after two overtimes

Duck fans are not happy.

[jonnyss]

much as i would like the pac-12 to be successful, belmont should just have won at the end of the first ot. first sabally clearly traveled on her last shot. then with belmont driving for the go-ahead basket, sabally ran over the screener and knocked her flat. no call.

Come on Johnny. There were fouls amany in this game that weren't called.

it's true that i didn't watch the whole game, but that foul was egregious. and it affected the play as sabally had to run through the screener to block the shot. and she did. everyone's entitled to an opinion. for me, i turned on the game rooting for oregon.  after that gift, i switched allegiances to belmont for the last overtime.

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would abby meyers (princeton) like a masters degree from stanford?

[jonnyss]

much as i would like the pac-12 to be successful, belmont should just have won at the end of the first ot. first sabally clearly traveled on her last shot. then with belmont driving for the go-ahead basket, sabally ran over the screener and knocked her flat. no call.

Come on Johnny. There were fouls amany in this game that weren't called.

it's true that i didn't watch the whole game, but that foul was egregious. and it affected the play as sabally had to run through the screener to block the shot. and she did. everyone's entitled to an opinion. for me, i turned on the game rooting for oregon.  after that gift, i switched allegiances to belmont for the last overtime.

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would abby meyers (princeton) like a masters degree from stanford?

[Card10Fan]

Lindy's team at UNLV up after the 1st quarter at Arizona. If that holds, not a good day for the Pac12. 
Oregon, Washington State losers today in 1st round.

Coach Lindy runs some of the exact same plays we do assuming she took from her time at Stanford. She's had great success in her short tenure. Her team seems to be handling the AZ pressure well. Great coaching from her on display in this game.

[Card10Fan]

Lindy's team at UNLV up after the 1st quarter at Arizona. If that holds, not a good day for the Pac12. 
Oregon, Washington State losers today in 1st round.

Coach Lindy runs some of the exact same plays we do assuming she took from her time at Stanford. She's had great success in her short tenure. Her team seems to be handling the AZ pressure well. Great coaching from her on display in this game.

[PVTree]

I only had Stanford and Oregon making the S16. I didn't think it was as strong a year for the P12 as last year. Stanford may be the only conference team to get there.

[PVTree]

I only had Stanford and Oregon making the S16. I didn't think it was as strong a year for the P12 as last year. Stanford may be the only conference team to get there.

[martyup]

AZ is in a dog fight with UNLV.  They trail by one with just over 8 minutes to play in the 4th.

[martyup]

AZ is in a dog fight with UNLV.  They trail by one with just over 8 minutes to play in the 4th.

[CompSci87]

AZ is in a dog fight with UNLV.  They trail by one with just over 8 minutes to play in the 4th.

Old news by now, but AZ pulled ahead later in the 4th and won it. Great effort by Lindy's UNLV team.

[CompSci87]

AZ is in a dog fight with UNLV.  They trail by one with just over 8 minutes to play in the 4th.

Old news by now, but AZ pulled ahead later in the 4th and won it. Great effort by Lindy's UNLV team.

[triangle2]

Oh the refs were awful in the AZ - UNLV game.  I mean, Missy level terrible.

[triangle2]

Oh the refs were awful in the AZ - UNLV game.  I mean, Missy level terrible.

[chimera]

UA pulled away very late but UNLV made a great showing.  Lindy has coached them well.  I think she is already a better head coach than a couple P-12 coaches.  UO was a puzzle today.  Sabally scored a lot but losing to Belmont?  Belmont has nowhere close to the height or the overall talent of UO.  Great win by Belmont but wow, the conference is looking really weak.  Hope it is not a bad sign for us.  Did the conference really prep our team well for the tourney?  Kansas will not be a pushover...

[chimera]

UA pulled away very late but UNLV made a great showing.  Lindy has coached them well.  I think she is already a better head coach than a couple P-12 coaches.  UO was a puzzle today.  Sabally scored a lot but losing to Belmont?  Belmont has nowhere close to the height or the overall talent of UO.  Great win by Belmont but wow, the conference is looking really weak.  Hope it is not a bad sign for us.  Did the conference really prep our team well for the tourney?  Kansas will not be a pushover...

[old spanish trail]

much as i would like the pac-12 to be successful, belmont should just have won at the end of the first ot. first sabally clearly traveled on her last shot. then with belmont driving for the go-ahead basket, sabally ran over the screener and knocked her flat. no call.

Come on Johnny. There were fouls amany in this game that weren't called.

it's true that i didn't watch the whole game, but that foul was egregious. and it affected the play as sabally had to run through the screener to block the shot. and she did. everyone's entitled to an opinion. for me, i turned on the game rooting for oregon.  after that gift, i switched allegiances to belmont for the last overtime.

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Fair enuf. I thought Sabally was fouled a number of times as she caught the ball in a crowd in the paint to shoot and they weren't often called. She was certainly their best player today.

[old spanish trail]

much as i would like the pac-12 to be successful, belmont should just have won at the end of the first ot. first sabally clearly traveled on her last shot. then with belmont driving for the go-ahead basket, sabally ran over the screener and knocked her flat. no call.

Come on Johnny. There were fouls amany in this game that weren't called.

it's true that i didn't watch the whole game, but that foul was egregious. and it affected the play as sabally had to run through the screener to block the shot. and she did. everyone's entitled to an opinion. for me, i turned on the game rooting for oregon.  after that gift, i switched allegiances to belmont for the last overtime.

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Fair enuf. I thought Sabally was fouled a number of times as she caught the ball in a crowd in the paint to shoot and they weren't often called. She was certainly their best player today.

[81alum]

UA pulled away very late but UNLV made a great showing.  Lindy has coached them well.  I think she is already a better head coach than a couple P-12 coaches.  UO was a puzzle today.  Sabally scored a lot but losing to Belmont?  Belmont has nowhere close to the height or the overall talent of UO.  Great win by Belmont but wow, the conference is looking really weak.  Hope it is not a bad sign for us.  Did the conference really prep our team well for the tourney?  Kansas will not be a pushover...

Just what I was thinking.  The Pac 12, other than ourselves, is looking quite weak.  Which of course makes me wonder how good we really are.  I think Kansas will be an excellent barometer.  But Kansas--Maryland--Texas will be three very difficult games just to make the final four.  Renews my awe of what we pulled off last year, and inflames the nervous nellies in me for this year.

[81alum]

UA pulled away very late but UNLV made a great showing.  Lindy has coached them well.  I think she is already a better head coach than a couple P-12 coaches.  UO was a puzzle today.  Sabally scored a lot but losing to Belmont?  Belmont has nowhere close to the height or the overall talent of UO.  Great win by Belmont but wow, the conference is looking really weak.  Hope it is not a bad sign for us.  Did the conference really prep our team well for the tourney?  Kansas will not be a pushover...

Just what I was thinking.  The Pac 12, other than ourselves, is looking quite weak.  Which of course makes me wonder how good we really are.  I think Kansas will be an excellent barometer.  But Kansas--Maryland--Texas will be three very difficult games just to make the final four.  Renews my awe of what we pulled off last year, and inflames the nervous nellies in me for this year.

[M T]

much as i would like the pac-12 to be successful, belmont should just have won at the end of the first ot. first sabally clearly traveled on her last shot. then with belmont driving for the go-ahead basket, sabally ran over the screener and knocked her flat in order to go for that block. no call.

Actually, it shouldn't have gone to even the first OT.   Tied at 50-50, with 24 seconds left and 6 seconds left on the shot clock for Belmont, the female ref (Demoya Williams) called a foul on a close guarding play against Oregon.   The Oregon player had her arms out like a crucifix, so it wasn't a hand foul.  The camera had a good angle (and the ref didn't).  There was a good 6" separation between the players, excepting the dribbler's forearm pushing away the defender.  The result was a 2 point lead for Belmont rather than a desperation 3.

This Kyle Bacon team of officials was typically poor.  With 1:10 left in Q2, with under 5 seconds on the shot clock, an  Oregon player tipped a Belmont dribble toward the sideline, raced to do a backward underarm flip on the ball as it was going out of bounds, but it went right back to the Belmont player.  10 seconds later, when the shot clock buzzer hadn't gone off, Bacon stopped play. The refs discussed it.  It appeared Williams must have been arguing that the flip of the ball counted as a change of possession.  Bacon reviewed the play at let it stand as 25 seconds on the shot clock. The shot clock supposedly was properly reset.  I'm not that familiar with change  of possession rulings.  I was surprised, but maybe that's what it should be.  (The only rule that applies that authorizes the reset to 30 seconds is "There is a change in team control.")

But then, with 7 seconds left in the 2nd OT, a Belmont player saved a rebound going out of bounds at the Oregon end by jumping out of bounds, grabbing the ball, and purposely passed (not deflected) the ball back to a Belmont player,  who then turned back to the court to pass it.  She got swarmed and so turned toward the sidelines and called time out.   Belmont was allowed to advance the ball to the front court.

However, the rule for advancing the ball upon a timeout in the last minute only applies if you haven't advanced the ball prior to the timeout.  If indeed, the throw-in from a player jumping above the out-of-bounds area constitutes team control, then Belmont had secured control of the rebound by the player who made the out-of-bounds save, and then advanced it to the player that called the time out. IMO, the timeout is allowed, but advancing to the front court is not, so Belmont would have had to inbound from the corner at the Oregon end.

At least one of those two rulings must be in error.  The first was reviewed by Bacon.  The second was made by Bacon.

On further review, I believe both were in error. During an interrupted dribble as in the shot-clock play, the dribbler's team is still considered as in control. So, unless the desperate swat was considered as in control, Oregon never had control. I suppose one could consider a desperate swat at a ball as control but it seems much more like the batting or tapping referenced when there is no team control. But that pass at the end of the game clearly was team control and advancing the ball from one player to another.

[M T]

much as i would like the pac-12 to be successful, belmont should just have won at the end of the first ot. first sabally clearly traveled on her last shot. then with belmont driving for the go-ahead basket, sabally ran over the screener and knocked her flat in order to go for that block. no call.

Actually, it shouldn't have gone to even the first OT.   Tied at 50-50, with 24 seconds left and 6 seconds left on the shot clock for Belmont, the female ref (Demoya Williams) called a foul on a close guarding play against Oregon.   The Oregon player had her arms out like a crucifix, so it wasn't a hand foul.  The camera had a good angle (and the ref didn't).  There was a good 6" separation between the players, excepting the dribbler's forearm pushing away the defender.  The result was a 2 point lead for Belmont rather than a desperation 3.

This Kyle Bacon team of officials was typically poor.  With 1:10 left in Q2, with under 5 seconds on the shot clock, an  Oregon player tipped a Belmont dribble toward the sideline, raced to do a backward underarm flip on the ball as it was going out of bounds, but it went right back to the Belmont player.  10 seconds later, when the shot clock buzzer hadn't gone off, Bacon stopped play. The refs discussed it.  It appeared Williams must have been arguing that the flip of the ball counted as a change of possession.  Bacon reviewed the play at let it stand as 25 seconds on the shot clock. The shot clock supposedly was properly reset.  I'm not that familiar with change  of possession rulings.  I was surprised, but maybe that's what it should be.  (The only rule that applies that authorizes the reset to 30 seconds is "There is a change in team control.")

But then, with 7 seconds left in the 2nd OT, a Belmont player saved a rebound going out of bounds at the Oregon end by jumping out of bounds, grabbing the ball, and purposely passed (not deflected) the ball back to a Belmont player,  who then turned back to the court to pass it.  She got swarmed and so turned toward the sidelines and called time out.   Belmont was allowed to advance the ball to the front court.

However, the rule for advancing the ball upon a timeout in the last minute only applies if you haven't advanced the ball prior to the timeout.  If indeed, the throw-in from a player jumping above the out-of-bounds area constitutes team control, then Belmont had secured control of the rebound by the player who made the out-of-bounds save, and then advanced it to the player that called the time out. IMO, the timeout is allowed, but advancing to the front court is not, so Belmont would have had to inbound from the corner at the Oregon end.

At least one of those two rulings must be in error.  The first was reviewed by Bacon.  The second was made by Bacon.

On further review, I believe both were in error. During an interrupted dribble as in the shot-clock play, the dribbler's team is still considered as in control. So, unless the desperate swat was considered as in control, Oregon never had control. I suppose one could consider a desperate swat at a ball as control but it seems much more like the batting or tapping referenced when there is no team control. But that pass at the end of the game clearly was team control and advancing the ball from one player to another.

[M T]

Kelly Graves:

"I think at times our players have acted and performed entitled," Graves said. "I mean, we have had a nice run. We made it at least to the Sweet 16 every year since 2017. First first-round exit in a long time. This group hasn't won anything. We haven't won a Pac-12 championship. We haven't won in the NCAA tournament, with great depth."

"We're missing that alpha, and oftentimes if it comes from the coach, that leadership, then we're in trouble," Graves said. "We have leadership capability and leadership shows up from time to time, but it's the consistency.

"If I had to kind of boil the whole season down into one word, it's 'inconsistencies.' Daily effort, game production, leadership, coaching. I didn't do a great job. I was inconsistent, as well. Same with my staff."

In my opinion, sometimes the shots don't go in. For the season, Oregon is a 33% 3pt team. They shot only 19% in this game (4/21). Had they shot 33%, they'd have had 9 more points and won the game. Hurst (38%) and Parrish (35%) are their most prolific 3pt shooters. They only played a combined 22 minutes (half of their average of 44 minutes total), going 1 of 6 from 3. That helps explain why their 3PT% was down, but all the other 3PtA (except 1 as the shot clock was winding down) were by 30% or better shooters.

Coach, no one can score a 3pt shot from the bench.

[M T]

Kelly Graves:

"I think at times our players have acted and performed entitled," Graves said. "I mean, we have had a nice run. We made it at least to the Sweet 16 every year since 2017. First first-round exit in a long time. This group hasn't won anything. We haven't won a Pac-12 championship. We haven't won in the NCAA tournament, with great depth."

"We're missing that alpha, and oftentimes if it comes from the coach, that leadership, then we're in trouble," Graves said. "We have leadership capability and leadership shows up from time to time, but it's the consistency.

"If I had to kind of boil the whole season down into one word, it's 'inconsistencies.' Daily effort, game production, leadership, coaching. I didn't do a great job. I was inconsistent, as well. Same with my staff."

In my opinion, sometimes the shots don't go in. For the season, Oregon is a 33% 3pt team. They shot only 19% in this game (4/21). Had they shot 33%, they'd have had 9 more points and won the game. Hurst (38%) and Parrish (35%) are their most prolific 3pt shooters. They only played a combined 22 minutes (half of their average of 44 minutes total), going 1 of 6 from 3. That helps explain why their 3PT% was down, but all the other 3PtA (except 1 as the shot clock was winding down) were by 30% or better shooters.

Coach, no one can score a 3pt shot from the bench.

[Card10Fan]

Two interesting games today on our side of the bracket. Can FGCU beat Maryland? They play a similar up and down high octane offensive style as Maryland with lots of 3 pointers made. How does Utah fare against Texas. Pac12 has not had a great showing so far in the opening round. Can Utah pull the upset. I’ll be tuned in.

[Card10Fan]

Two interesting games today on our side of the bracket. Can FGCU beat Maryland? They play a similar up and down high octane offensive style as Maryland with lots of 3 pointers made. How does Utah fare against Texas. Pac12 has not had a great showing so far in the opening round. Can Utah pull the upset. I’ll be tuned in.

[joemontes]

UA pulled away very late but UNLV made a great showing.  Lindy has coached them well.  I think she is already a better head coach than a couple P-12 coaches.  UO was a puzzle today.  Sabally scored a lot but losing to Belmont?  Belmont has nowhere close to the height or the overall talent of UO.  Great win by Belmont but wow, the conference is looking really weak.  Hope it is not a bad sign for us.  Did the conference really prep our team well for the tourney?  Kansas will not be a pushover...

Just what I was thinking.  The Pac 12, other than ourselves, is looking quite weak.  Which of course makes me wonder how good we really are.  I think Kansas will be an excellent barometer.  But Kansas--Maryland--Texas will be three very difficult games just to make the final four.  Renews my awe of what we pulled off last year, and inflames the nervous nellies in me for this year.

I'm not surprised at all with the PAC 12 results in the NCAA 1st Round (losses by Oregon, Colorado and WSU to lower seeds, close win by Arizona and impressive wins by both Stanford and Utah)   Stanford is just a cut above the rest of the PAC 12, as they finished 16-0 during PAC 12 play while the 5 next best teams have 6 or 7 losses vs other PAC 12 teams.  Then during the PAC 12 tournament, Utah showed why it's the 2nd best PAC 12 team, but clearly much more inferior compared to Stanford.  

At this point, Stanford's defense is just overwhelming everybody primarily because their starting 5 (BRINK, the HULL sisters, WILSON and JONES) are all great defenders, while their offense is very versatile as their starting 5 can all shoot from beyond the arc while their first 2 players off the bench are the PAC12's best inside (BELIBI, who leads the PAC12 in FG%) and outside (JUMP, who leads the PAC 12 in 3pts made/game) shooters, which bodes well when they play against Kansas in the NCAA 2nd Round, then the winner of Maryland-Utah in the NCAA Round of 16.

[joemontes]

UA pulled away very late but UNLV made a great showing.  Lindy has coached them well.  I think she is already a better head coach than a couple P-12 coaches.  UO was a puzzle today.  Sabally scored a lot but losing to Belmont?  Belmont has nowhere close to the height or the overall talent of UO.  Great win by Belmont but wow, the conference is looking really weak.  Hope it is not a bad sign for us.  Did the conference really prep our team well for the tourney?  Kansas will not be a pushover...

Just what I was thinking.  The Pac 12, other than ourselves, is looking quite weak.  Which of course makes me wonder how good we really are.  I think Kansas will be an excellent barometer.  But Kansas--Maryland--Texas will be three very difficult games just to make the final four.  Renews my awe of what we pulled off last year, and inflames the nervous nellies in me for this year.

I'm not surprised at all with the PAC 12 results in the NCAA 1st Round (losses by Oregon, Colorado and WSU to lower seeds, close win by Arizona and impressive wins by both Stanford and Utah)   Stanford is just a cut above the rest of the PAC 12, as they finished 16-0 during PAC 12 play while the 5 next best teams have 6 or 7 losses vs other PAC 12 teams.  Then during the PAC 12 tournament, Utah showed why it's the 2nd best PAC 12 team, but clearly much more inferior compared to Stanford.  

At this point, Stanford's defense is just overwhelming everybody primarily because their starting 5 (BRINK, the HULL sisters, WILSON and JONES) are all great defenders, while their offense is very versatile as their starting 5 can all shoot from beyond the arc while their first 2 players off the bench are the PAC12's best inside (BELIBI, who leads the PAC12 in FG%) and outside (JUMP, who leads the PAC 12 in 3pts made/game) shooters, which bodes well when they play against Kansas in the NCAA 2nd Round, then the winner of Maryland-Utah in the NCAA Round of 16.

[M T]

At this point, Stanford's defense is just overwhelming everybody primarily because their starting 5 (BRINK, the HULL sisters, WILSON and JONES) are all great defenders,

I wouldn't put Jones in the "great defender" category.  She'll make some heroic plays, but she doesn't keep on her player.

[M T]

At this point, Stanford's defense is just overwhelming everybody primarily because their starting 5 (BRINK, the HULL sisters, WILSON and JONES) are all great defenders,

I wouldn't put Jones in the "great defender" category.  She'll make some heroic plays, but she doesn't keep on her player.

[ca245]

Lindy and UNLV did well to get to the tournament and hold their own against UA for 3 quarters. I wonder how much consideration she will get for the open ASU job. Besides the results she achieved with UNLV, Lindy checks some other boxes: played in for Tara, good coaching pedigree (Coales, TVD), familiar with the PAC-12. Might having only 2 years experience as a HC count against her?

[ca245]

Lindy and UNLV did well to get to the tournament and hold their own against UA for 3 quarters. I wonder how much consideration she will get for the open ASU job. Besides the results she achieved with UNLV, Lindy checks some other boxes: played in for Tara, good coaching pedigree (Coales, TVD), familiar with the PAC-12. Might having only 2 years experience as a HC count against her?

[martyup]

I'm watching Iowa vs Creighton.  Creighton is leading by 6 at the half.  While Clark is the best player on the court, I don't think the Hawkeyes play with team cohesion.  I am appreciating our team's focus on love.  When you play with love for your teammates, you do what is best for the team and not yourself.

[martyup]

I'm watching Iowa vs Creighton.  Creighton is leading by 6 at the half.  While Clark is the best player on the court, I don't think the Hawkeyes play with team cohesion.  I am appreciating our team's focus on love.  When you play with love for your teammates, you do what is best for the team and not yourself.

[qwerty49]

Lindy and UNLV did well to get to the tournament and hold their own against UA for 3 quarters. I wonder how much consideration she will get for the open ASU job. Besides the results she achieved with UNLV, Lindy checks some other boxes: played in for Tara, good coaching pedigree (Coales, TVD), familiar with the PAC-12. Might having only 2 years experience as a HC count against her?

Isn't Vegas Lindy's hometown?  Might be a big factor for her.

[qwerty49]

Lindy and UNLV did well to get to the tournament and hold their own against UA for 3 quarters. I wonder how much consideration she will get for the open ASU job. Besides the results she achieved with UNLV, Lindy checks some other boxes: played in for Tara, good coaching pedigree (Coales, TVD), familiar with the PAC-12. Might having only 2 years experience as a HC count against her?

Isn't Vegas Lindy's hometown?  Might be a big factor for her.

[oldalum]

I suspect Lindy is not interested in the ASU job. In her press conferences, she expresses a strong commitment to building up the program at UNLV, she has strong ties to Las Vegas where she grew up, and I learned she has some ties to U of A (her father played for Lute Olson and the two families are very close, and a current U of A assistant coach is also "family" to her). I'm thinking it's more likely she'll stay there a few more years, have greater success, and perhaps then be ready to move to a really strong WBB school. Listening to her talk, she reminds me a lot of Adia Barnes, and I think she is going to be extremely successful.

[oldalum]

I suspect Lindy is not interested in the ASU job. In her press conferences, she expresses a strong commitment to building up the program at UNLV, she has strong ties to Las Vegas where she grew up, and I learned she has some ties to U of A (her father played for Lute Olson and the two families are very close, and a current U of A assistant coach is also "family" to her). I'm thinking it's more likely she'll stay there a few more years, have greater success, and perhaps then be ready to move to a really strong WBB school. Listening to her talk, she reminds me a lot of Adia Barnes, and I think she is going to be extremely successful.

[qwerty49]

At this point, Stanford's defense is just overwhelming everybody primarily because their starting 5 (BRINK, the HULL sisters, WILSON and JONES) are all great defenders,

I wouldn't put Jones in the "great defender" category.  She'll make some heroic plays, but she doesn't keep on her player.

That may be true, but she does have a knack for being in the right place at the right time.  When things go crazy in the paint, she seems to be the one who comes up with the backside rebound or the loose ball.  With Haley there are a lot of intangibles.

[qwerty49]

At this point, Stanford's defense is just overwhelming everybody primarily because their starting 5 (BRINK, the HULL sisters, WILSON and JONES) are all great defenders,

I wouldn't put Jones in the "great defender" category.  She'll make some heroic plays, but she doesn't keep on her player.

That may be true, but she does have a knack for being in the right place at the right time.  When things go crazy in the paint, she seems to be the one who comes up with the backside rebound or the loose ball.  With Haley there are a lot of intangibles.