03-24-2024, 06:49 AM
(03-17-2024, 08:49 AM)Goose Wrote:\(03-17-2024, 05:36 AM)GK3 Wrote: It is very hard to figure out which news "fact" regarding Russian Petroleum problems is at least fairly accurate. I believe Russia exports the largest amount of oil from facilities in the Black Sea which would put those facilities in range of Ukrainian drone attacks, but are also probably very well defended.I agree that getting "facts" about what is exported and from where is difficult. I do think Russia exports as much as possible via pipeline. They do lack capacity to do this to China, but they are building it as fast as they can. Exporting raw crude does require loading facilities and tank storage. However, these facilities are nowhere near as complicated or fragile as a refinery. Russia must refine oil products for domestic use. I think there refineries are the main target of Ukraine. Having these assets out of use hurts the Russian people directly, and they will notice.
Quote:One report I saw claimed that when Russia started modernizing its oil business, they switched from home grown technology that that purchased from the West. This now makes some fairly minor damage more significant due to difficulty in getting parts. No idea if that theory has any basis in fact.This is accurate, but most of that technology is distributed in oil fields which are by nature very unprofitable targets. Knocking out one oil well is a fly speck. Hitting pipelines (which also use imported parts) from the fields to the oil export terminals is more profitable, although still a pretty distributed target. IMO sabotage is a better way to go than drones on these targets. The pipelines great extent makes them vulnerable to sabotage and sabotage can have a much larger "bang" than a single drone can. The drone has to fly a long way and can only carry a relatively small warhead.
Quote: Another report I saw contends that we are buying billions of dollars of refined products from India, made from Russian Oil. Why would we provide support for their oil when we have all these sanctions in place? Break enough small parts and you can probably cause much bigger problems.US firms do it because it makes money. It is also a problematic issue because when the oil is refined it loses it's identity. It may be mixed with oil from all over the world. Attempting to stop this trade by sanctioning India is a non-starter, so US firms can't be prohibited from buying all refined products made in India. It is also probable that lots of plastic parts made in India and China contain molecules that originated in Russia. Nobody believes that trade can be controlled. The only hope is that India can be persuaded not to buy Russian oil, China being a "lost cause". Ukrainian AMCs sinking a few tankers in the IO might just make that happen :-).
Quote:Sweden does bring a fairly modern and capable Military Industrial Complex to NATO. I would hope the NATO nations would be willing to adopt common weapons, calibers, aircraft and armored vehicles. Seems sort of silly for each country to insist on their own types. It would certainly complicate resupply if war actually comes to NATO.It does make NATO logistics more complicated. However, the common weapons etc. is never, ever, under any circumstances going to happen. There are some very good reasons for this (along with some less good reasons for this). The first is that each countries forces are not solely (or even mainly) dedicated to NATO. They are dedicated to protecting each individual country, and that is never going to change. Each country may make different decisions about which weapons fit them "best".
Germany (for example) will not use US discarding sabot tank ammunition (even though we use basically a copy of their main gun) because they refuse to use depleted uranium. The US thinks (rightly IMO) that is just stupid and wants to use it. We also use it in lower caliber weapons, which the Europeans do not. The British OTOH insist on using rifled tank guns because they believe that tanks need to fire "conventional" HE pretty often and smooth-bores don't do that as well. Different opinions for different countries. Even "NATO standard" 155 mm artillery ammunition isn't. Each country makes different variants, some of which are certified for M777s and some of which are not. They make them because they want them, and after all, it is "their" army.
Arguably, the eurofighter Typhoon needn't exist. Like most development programs, when it first came out, it wasn't a very good jet. It was designed by a committee that insisted in incorporating the biases of all the participants :-). Enough "upgrades" have been added that it now is at least competitive, but why do it at all? Because the countries involved wanted to preserve their military-industrial base. The market in single nations wasn't big enough to support the NRE necessary to build a "clean sheet" fighter, so a consortium was necessary. The French of course maintained their "side hustle" at Dassault. The Gryphon was built to meet Swedish needs, and as a "neutral" nation they couldn't rely on outside suppliers. Of course the Gryphon uses LOTS of imported parts, especially electronics, but politically it is "100% Swedish". It is a nice jet but commercially not viable. Big time subsides. The trajectory and travails of Kockums is a story in itself. I could go on, but you get the idea I am sure :-).
This isn't all bad. Having different approaches requires your opponent to be ready for all of them. Distributing production across a wide geographic area makes NATO more resilient. It also prevents everyone from adopting the same "bad" weapon choice and increases the pressure to innovate. The trend toward large multi-national corporations doing most of the defense work could eventually lead to less parochialism. After all, BAE isn't really "British" anymore. Fincanterri owns Marinette Marine and is building US Constellation class frigates in Wisconsin. This trend has it's own problems, but some of the effects may be good.
Quote:One big benefit that Ukraine accrues from its expanding drone operations is that they can generate significant attacks across a wide geographic area and targets without putting boots on the ground and incurring more manpower losses. If they can do enough damage to inhibit Russian offensive operations they benefit greatly. It should also start to spread out the Russian defenses possibly making it easier to penetrate. Time will tell.IMO you are correct. Technology, if it works, can save lots of lives. The US relies on that. Ukraine realizes that the Russians will always outnumber them. If they are going to win, they need force multipliers.
I get that each country is first and foremost defending itself first and NATO countries second. It seems to me that the only enemy that any European country is preparing to defend itself against is Russia. I think the probability of a Russian encroachment into a NATO country is far more likely a conflict that say France vs Germany. Considering these probabilities it would seem to make sense to have common NATO standards in terms of arms and munitions. I know they aren't agreeing with my logic, but it seems rather idiotic not to put yourself in the best position you can for any potential conflict with an enemy as strong as Russia. But how often does common sense the guiding light?
