11-10-2022, 05:38 PM
I expected both of those moves. Longo was too expensive to bring back. No one wants him. He's good for a one year contract as a backup against lefties.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(11-10-2022, 10:06 AM)Giants Wrote:(11-10-2022, 08:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-10-2022, 07:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Wins above rep.. horseshit.
WAR is walking point in the jungle, scared out of your wits.
I didn’t post this for a discussion of the pros and cons of Wins Above Replacement. Just as a (hopefully) fun exercise.
Strictly a guess since I don’t follow WAR as a stat.
Turner
Swanson
Correa
Bogaerts
By the way, forget about Turner as a possible SF signee. Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
(11-10-2022, 11:48 AM)Giants Wrote:(11-10-2022, 11:14 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(11-10-2022, 10:06 AM)Giants Wrote: Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
Where did Baggarly say this? I just read his article today reporting on Giants Free Agent talk from Las Vegas and saw no such language.
He did say in this article that Trea Turner has reportedly said he wants to be close to home on the East Coast, but nothing definitive as "there is a near zero chance of signing him."
Baggarly also mentions "CA taxes" and "weird San Francisco politics" in his article, as reasons that might dissuade some Free Agents from wanting to sign with the Giants. Playing close to home is a believable desire, but the other stuff seems like straw men to me, because players don't usually make their homes in the cities they play. Aubrey Huff never would have signed with the Giants if he was really concerned about the S.F political culture. He signed with Giants because they paid him the most money, which is the reason most Free Agents sign where they do.
On a related note, the only way the Giants sign Judge is if he takes less money to play for the Giants because he wants to be closer to home. There is no way the Yankees will be outbid. They have to be able to say "we offered more, but he wanted to be closer to home." That's the only way NY will not KILL the Yankees if Judge leaves. If the Giants offer more than the Yankees, the Yankees will never hear the end of it, so the Giants kind of have a built in home town discount of sorts with Judge. That discount won't be much, Judge will make obscene money no matter what, but the biggest contract offered will be from the Yankees.
He responded to a question in the comments section. Here is the exact quote, “Privately, I hear that there is zero reason for them to believe Turner would sign with them.” Take a look.
CA taxes are definitely an issue. I have read numerous articles addressing that issue as it relates to highly paid athletes. Having said that, most California-based teams offer additional monies to players to cover that concern.
Also, I think the political climate in the Bay Area may be an issue for some players. In this era of “if you disagree with me, you must be a horrible person”, who knows what drives players to make their decisions.
Money is still the clear number #1 but don’t discount other factors as being weighty.
(11-10-2022, 05:38 PM)Mick Wrote: I expected both of those moves. Longo was too expensive to bring back. No one wants him. He's good for a one year contract as a backup against lefties.
(11-10-2022, 10:06 AM)Giants Wrote:(11-10-2022, 08:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-10-2022, 07:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Wins above rep.. horseshit.
WAR is walking point in the jungle, scared out of your wits.
I didn’t post this for a discussion of the pros and cons of Wins Above Replacement. Just as a (hopefully) fun exercise.
Strictly a guess since I don’t follow WAR as a stat.
Turner
Swanson
Correa
Bogaerts
By the way, forget about Turner as a possible SF signee. Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
(11-10-2022, 11:48 AM)Giants Wrote:(11-10-2022, 11:14 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(11-10-2022, 10:06 AM)Giants Wrote: Andrew Baggerly (The Athletic) said there is a near zero chance of signing him. The Giants are focused on the other three SS’s.
Where did Baggarly say this? I just read his article today reporting on Giants Free Agent talk from Las Vegas and saw no such language.
He did say in this article that Trea Turner has reportedly said he wants to be close to home on the East Coast, but nothing definitive as "there is a near zero chance of signing him."
Baggarly also mentions "CA taxes" and "weird San Francisco politics" in his article, as reasons that might dissuade some Free Agents from wanting to sign with the Giants. Playing close to home is a believable desire, but the other stuff seems like straw men to me, because players don't usually make their homes in the cities they play. Aubrey Huff never would have signed with the Giants if he was really concerned about the S.F political culture. He signed with Giants because they paid him the most money, which is the reason most Free Agents sign where they do.
On a related note, the only way the Giants sign Judge is if he takes less money to play for the Giants because he wants to be closer to home. There is no way the Yankees will be outbid. They have to be able to say "we offered more, but he wanted to be closer to home." That's the only way NY will not KILL the Yankees if Judge leaves. If the Giants offer more than the Yankees, the Yankees will never hear the end of it, so the Giants kind of have a built in home town discount of sorts with Judge. That discount won't be much, Judge will make obscene money no matter what, but the biggest contract offered will be from the Yankees.
He responded to a question in the comments section. Here is the exact quote, “Privately, I hear that there is zero reason for them to believe Turner would sign with them.” Take a look.
CA taxes are definitely an issue. I have read numerous articles addressing that issue as it relates to highly paid athletes. Having said that, most California-based teams offer additional monies to players to cover that concern.
Also, I think the political climate in the Bay Area may be an issue for some players. In this era of “if you disagree with me, you must be a horrible person”, who knows what drives players to make their decisions.
Money is still the clear number #1 but don’t discount other factors as being weighty.
(11-10-2022, 05:38 PM)Mick Wrote: I expected both of those moves. Longo was too expensive to bring back. No one wants him. He's good for a one year contract as a backup against lefties.
(11-14-2022, 09:36 AM)BobK Wrote: What’s the latest on Rodon or did I miss the we don’t need him? I sure want him
(11-14-2022, 09:36 AM)BobK Wrote: What’s the latest on Rodon or did I miss the we don’t need him? I sure want him
(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
(11-15-2022, 04:58 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
Matos was protected. Here is the info….
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/g...moves.html
https://www.mlb.com/giants/roster/40-man
(11-15-2022, 04:58 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
Matos was protected. Here is the info….
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/g...moves.html
https://www.mlb.com/giants/roster/40-man
(11-15-2022, 05:30 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 04:58 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
Matos was protected. Here is the info….
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/g...moves.html
https://www.mlb.com/giants/roster/40-man
As was Tristan Beck. Jarlin Garcia and Jason Vosler among those released ( DFA’d) Donovan Walton still on 40. One wonders why….. Also Will Wilson not protected. Zaidi whiffed on that one. But still an acceptable risk imo. Only money lost…..
(11-15-2022, 05:30 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 04:58 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
Matos was protected. Here is the info….
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/g...moves.html
https://www.mlb.com/giants/roster/40-man
As was Tristan Beck. Jarlin Garcia and Jason Vosler among those released ( DFA’d) Donovan Walton still on 40. One wonders why….. Also Will Wilson not protected. Zaidi whiffed on that one. But still an acceptable risk imo. Only money lost…..
(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
(11-16-2022, 02:58 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
Yep. My thought precisely.
(11-16-2022, 02:58 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-16-2022, 12:19 PM)Giants Wrote:(11-16-2022, 01:31 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:54 PM)lex24 Wrote:(11-15-2022, 02:50 PM)Giants Wrote: A few items of note…
Pederson accepts QO. Tyler Anderson leaves the Dodgers and signs with the Angels. The 40 man roster deadline is at 3pm PST today.
Joc is no fool. He doesn’t come close to that on open market. Still surprised they gave him the QO. Very interested to see if Giants protect Matos. I would.
I think the perspective on Joc is he really cost 6+million after Farhan subtracts the 13 million for Longo.
I think Farhan might be managing a pool of money rather than individual offers this winter.
Actually, it was an $8 million savings for Longo if you factor in his buy-out.
Based on my understanding, Zaidi has a flexible budget with which to work (a target figure with the ability to go higher if Johnson agrees). Obviously, I don’t know the number but I suspect it is enough to sign a couple big dollar guys. As I noted here before, 185-200 would be my guess.
Grant Brisbee nailed it in The Athletic this morning (paraphrasing) - Pederson is fine as long as he is a toss on top of the pile signing as opposed to a key piece of the equation signing.
Yep. My thought precisely.