12-10-2022, 12:09 PM
I think Harbaugh took a pay cut to be USD’s head coach back in the day. some coaches would rather be a head coach at a lower level than to be an assistant at a higher level.
Football Coach Search Master Thread (Troy Taylor)
I think Harbaugh took a pay cut to be USD’s head coach back in the day. some coaches would rather be a head coach at a lower level than to be an assistant at a higher level.
(12-10-2022, 12:09 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think Harbaugh took a pay cut to be USD’s head coach back in the day. some coaches would rather be a head coach at a lower level than to be an assistant at a higher level.
looks like Taylor's total comp was $420K and $506K the last two years
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salari...roy+taylor
ADD: his total comp at Utah
2019 - $380k
2018 - $672k
2017 - $305k
https://transparent.utah.gov/empdet.php
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(12-10-2022, 12:09 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think Harbaugh took a pay cut to be USD’s head coach back in the day. some coaches would rather be a head coach at a lower level than to be an assistant at a higher level.
looks like Taylor's total comp was $420K and $506K the last two years
https://transparentcalifornia.com/salari...roy+taylor
ADD: his total comp at Utah
2019 - $380k
2018 - $672k
2017 - $305k
https://transparent.utah.gov/empdet.php
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
12-10-2022, 12:17 PM
(12-10-2022, 12:09 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think Harbaugh took a pay cut to be USD’s head coach back in the day. some coaches would rather be a head coach at a lower level than to be an assistant at a higher level.
And that can be a very good thing to do. If you have an idea you want to implement and you can't do it where you are, going out on your own is often the only way. It may be a risk, financial and otherwise, but if you believe, you have to do it. A pretty Stanford thing to do I would say :-). That said, it seems to have worked out very well for Troy Taylor!
(12-10-2022, 12:09 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think Harbaugh took a pay cut to be USD’s head coach back in the day. some coaches would rather be a head coach at a lower level than to be an assistant at a higher level.
And that can be a very good thing to do. If you have an idea you want to implement and you can't do it where you are, going out on your own is often the only way. It may be a risk, financial and otherwise, but if you believe, you have to do it. A pretty Stanford thing to do I would say :-). That said, it seems to have worked out very well for Troy Taylor!
(12-10-2022, 02:26 PM)yvonne Wrote: completing the chart for you :)
Two other lessons:
1. Winning with a low score is bad.
2. Winning with large score is bad.
4. Losing with a large score is worse.
3. Losing by a little with a low score is worse.
4. Losing by turtling is even worse.
5. Losing by a lot is the absolute worst.
6. Winning by a lot is the only good thing.
(12-10-2022, 02:26 PM)yvonne Wrote: completing the chart for you :)
Two other lessons:
1. Winning with a low score is bad.
2. Winning with large score is bad.
4. Losing with a large score is worse.
3. Losing by a little with a low score is worse.
4. Losing by turtling is even worse.
5. Losing by a lot is the absolute worst.
6. Winning by a lot is the only good thing.
12-10-2022, 03:33 PM
(12-10-2022, 03:01 PM)oldalum Wrote:(12-10-2022, 02:26 PM)yvonne Wrote: completing the chart for you :)
Two other lessons:
1. Winning with a low score is bad.
2. Winning with large score is bad.
4. Losing with a large score is worse.
3. Losing by a little with a low score is worse.
4. Losing by turtling is even worse.
5. Losing by a lot is the absolute worst.
6. Winning by a lot is the only good thing.
You forgot losing by giving up the ball when you could have turtles.
BC
(12-10-2022, 03:01 PM)oldalum Wrote:(12-10-2022, 02:26 PM)yvonne Wrote: completing the chart for you :)
Two other lessons:
1. Winning with a low score is bad.
2. Winning with large score is bad.
4. Losing with a large score is worse.
3. Losing by a little with a low score is worse.
4. Losing by turtling is even worse.
5. Losing by a lot is the absolute worst.
6. Winning by a lot is the only good thing.
You forgot losing by giving up the ball when you could have turtles.
BC
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12-10-2022, 03:44 PM
(12-10-2022, 03:01 PM)oldalum Wrote:(12-10-2022, 02:26 PM)yvonne Wrote: completing the chart for you :)
Two other lessons:
1. Winning with a low score is bad.
2. Winning with large score is bad.
4. Losing with a large score is worse.
3. Losing by a little with a low score is worse.
4. Losing by turtling is even worse.
5. Losing by a lot is the absolute worst.
6. Winning by a lot is the only good thing.
7. Guidelines for "good wins" may change at the sole discretion of the fanbase and are not subject to appeal.
One more add to be helpful!
(12-10-2022, 03:01 PM)oldalum Wrote:(12-10-2022, 02:26 PM)yvonne Wrote: completing the chart for you :)
Two other lessons:
1. Winning with a low score is bad.
2. Winning with large score is bad.
4. Losing with a large score is worse.
3. Losing by a little with a low score is worse.
4. Losing by turtling is even worse.
5. Losing by a lot is the absolute worst.
6. Winning by a lot is the only good thing.
7. Guidelines for "good wins" may change at the sole discretion of the fanbase and are not subject to appeal.
One more add to be helpful!
For those who called Harballs a jerk, have you had an interaction with him. I’ve had a few and while he isn’t Robin Williams he has never displayed that in my company.
Taylor has found players at Sac State. Why do some people think that he can’t recruit?
Holy f****** peepee.
Taylor has found players at Sac State. Why do some people think that he can’t recruit?
Holy f****** peepee.
For those who called Harballs a jerk, have you had an interaction with him. I’ve had a few and while he isn’t Robin Williams he has never displayed that in my company.
Taylor has found players at Sac State. Why do some people think that he can’t recruit?
Holy f****** peepee.
Taylor has found players at Sac State. Why do some people think that he can’t recruit?
Holy f****** peepee.
12-10-2022, 04:39 PM
(12-10-2022, 04:00 PM)Phogge Wrote: Taylor has found players at Sac State. Why do some people think that he can’t recruit?
I mean, I dunno if he *can't* recruit, but I do wonder whether a four-star lineman in New Jersey will give much of a spit about Taylor... at least until he does something of interest nationally. But maybe Taylor is one of those rare guys who can [insert idiom about good salesmanship here]. If so, great stuff, sign me up.
(12-10-2022, 04:00 PM)Phogge Wrote: Taylor has found players at Sac State. Why do some people think that he can’t recruit?
I mean, I dunno if he *can't* recruit, but I do wonder whether a four-star lineman in New Jersey will give much of a spit about Taylor... at least until he does something of interest nationally. But maybe Taylor is one of those rare guys who can [insert idiom about good salesmanship here]. If so, great stuff, sign me up.
12-10-2022, 05:08 PM
(12-10-2022, 04:39 PM)washingtonismoney Wrote:(12-10-2022, 04:00 PM)Phogge Wrote: Taylor has found players at Sac State. Why do some people think that he can’t recruit?
I mean, I dunno if he *can't* recruit, but I do wonder whether a four-star lineman in New Jersey will give much of a spit about Taylor... at least until he does something of interest nationally. But maybe Taylor is one of those rare guys who can [insert idiom about good salesmanship here]. If so, great stuff, sign me up.
Any word on who the coordinators and staff might be? Any coaches being retained off Shaw's staff? I would imagine Troy Taylor won't be getting paid top of market to start, so there should be plenty of resources to put together a high quality staff.
I never heard David Shaw talk about recruiting as the top priority focus it must be, and the "you're lucky to get an offer" (paucity of offers) approach obviously hasn't worked out so well. Will be interesting to see if the Harbaugh more offers, not less, approach will be taken by Taylor.
(12-10-2022, 04:39 PM)washingtonismoney Wrote:(12-10-2022, 04:00 PM)Phogge Wrote: Taylor has found players at Sac State. Why do some people think that he can’t recruit?
I mean, I dunno if he *can't* recruit, but I do wonder whether a four-star lineman in New Jersey will give much of a spit about Taylor... at least until he does something of interest nationally. But maybe Taylor is one of those rare guys who can [insert idiom about good salesmanship here]. If so, great stuff, sign me up.
Any word on who the coordinators and staff might be? Any coaches being retained off Shaw's staff? I would imagine Troy Taylor won't be getting paid top of market to start, so there should be plenty of resources to put together a high quality staff.
I never heard David Shaw talk about recruiting as the top priority focus it must be, and the "you're lucky to get an offer" (paucity of offers) approach obviously hasn't worked out so well. Will be interesting to see if the Harbaugh more offers, not less, approach will be taken by Taylor.
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12-10-2022, 06:20 PM
(12-10-2022, 09:38 AM)Goose Wrote: I have commented on this before, but it seems given the situation it is relevant now now. Taylor was fired at Utah. He didn't mesh well with the program. He wanted to run a more up-tempo offense than the head coach and the OL coach did. Taylor couldn't/wouldn't/didn't adjust to that. Unfortunately in my mind that calls into question his judgement (at least at that point in his career). When he took the job he should have ensured he knew what were it's parameters, especially given the number of OC that program had gone through at that point. When he got there and they wouldn't let him do what he wanted, he should have either quit or adapted. He did neither.
At Stanford, he is going to run into many situations where the "system" is going to constrain what he can do. He needs to do a much better job of "adapting" than he did at Utah or it won't work out. I am not too worried about him not being a "nice guy". IMO the vast majority of football coaches are not "nice guys". They are all attempting to get their team to do what they want them to do, and asking nicely just isn't their normal MO. The successful ones learn to have a public persona that covers up their assertiveness and rough edges. Hopefully, Taylor has learned to do that. If so, he could indeed have success at Stanford. If not, he won't last long.
Article from the Salt Lake City Tribune on Wittingham and taylor, that supports Goose's comments on Wittingham's preferences versus Taylor's preferences. Frankly...it sounds like a defensive-oriented coach who doesn't know what he's doing on offense, and Taylor sounds like an offense-minded coach who calls plays that would appeal to both Stanford fans and the kind of recruits we'd like to see. Hope he has time to get his recruits in the door.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(12-10-2022, 09:38 AM)Goose Wrote: I have commented on this before, but it seems given the situation it is relevant now now. Taylor was fired at Utah. He didn't mesh well with the program. He wanted to run a more up-tempo offense than the head coach and the OL coach did. Taylor couldn't/wouldn't/didn't adjust to that. Unfortunately in my mind that calls into question his judgement (at least at that point in his career). When he took the job he should have ensured he knew what were it's parameters, especially given the number of OC that program had gone through at that point. When he got there and they wouldn't let him do what he wanted, he should have either quit or adapted. He did neither.
At Stanford, he is going to run into many situations where the "system" is going to constrain what he can do. He needs to do a much better job of "adapting" than he did at Utah or it won't work out. I am not too worried about him not being a "nice guy". IMO the vast majority of football coaches are not "nice guys". They are all attempting to get their team to do what they want them to do, and asking nicely just isn't their normal MO. The successful ones learn to have a public persona that covers up their assertiveness and rough edges. Hopefully, Taylor has learned to do that. If so, he could indeed have success at Stanford. If not, he won't last long.
Article from the Salt Lake City Tribune on Wittingham and taylor, that supports Goose's comments on Wittingham's preferences versus Taylor's preferences. Frankly...it sounds like a defensive-oriented coach who doesn't know what he's doing on offense, and Taylor sounds like an offense-minded coach who calls plays that would appeal to both Stanford fans and the kind of recruits we'd like to see. Hope he has time to get his recruits in the door.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
I hope Taylor has a chance to reverse a few of those choices of new recruits to decommit and reopen their recruitments.
I hope Taylor has a chance to reverse a few of those choices of new recruits to decommit and reopen their recruitments.
I hope Taylor has a chance to reverse a few of those choices of new recruits to decommit and reopen their recruitments.
I hope Taylor has a chance to reverse a few of those choices of new recruits to decommit and reopen their recruitments.
I hope Taylor has a chance to reverse a few of those choices of new recruits to decommit and reopen their recruitments.
I hope Taylor has a chance to reverse a few of those choices of new recruits to decommit and reopen their recruitments.
12-10-2022, 09:21 PM
What impact will landing 4+star Myles Jackson at QB from Millikan have on recruiting WRs, TEs, perhaps Linemen -- knowing Taylor is a successful QB coach and Offensive minded coach?
Go get Derek Mason as DefCo from OKST.
More interested in what Mason did for us (2010-13) than Mason did at Vandy and OKST.
Go get Derek Mason as DefCo from OKST.
More interested in what Mason did for us (2010-13) than Mason did at Vandy and OKST.
What impact will landing 4+star Myles Jackson at QB from Millikan have on recruiting WRs, TEs, perhaps Linemen -- knowing Taylor is a successful QB coach and Offensive minded coach?
Go get Derek Mason as DefCo from OKST.
More interested in what Mason did for us (2010-13) than Mason did at Vandy and OKST.
Go get Derek Mason as DefCo from OKST.
More interested in what Mason did for us (2010-13) than Mason did at Vandy and OKST.
12-10-2022, 10:11 PM
(12-10-2022, 03:33 PM)BostonCard Wrote:If there's one thing I think we can count on, it's that Taylor will not punt inside the opponent's 40.(12-10-2022, 03:01 PM)oldalum Wrote:(12-10-2022, 02:26 PM)yvonne Wrote: completing the chart for you :)
Two other lessons:
1. Winning with a low score is bad.
2. Winning with large score is bad.
4. Losing with a large score is worse.
3. Losing by a little with a low score is worse.
4. Losing by turtling is even worse.
5. Losing by a lot is the absolute worst.
6. Winning by a lot is the only good thing.
You forgot losing by giving up the ball when you could have turtles.
BC
I congratulate the search committee and Muir on making what looks to be a good hire. I sincerely hope it works out that way.
(12-10-2022, 03:33 PM)BostonCard Wrote:If there's one thing I think we can count on, it's that Taylor will not punt inside the opponent's 40.(12-10-2022, 03:01 PM)oldalum Wrote:(12-10-2022, 02:26 PM)yvonne Wrote: completing the chart for you :)
Two other lessons:
1. Winning with a low score is bad.
2. Winning with large score is bad.
4. Losing with a large score is worse.
3. Losing by a little with a low score is worse.
4. Losing by turtling is even worse.
5. Losing by a lot is the absolute worst.
6. Winning by a lot is the only good thing.
You forgot losing by giving up the ball when you could have turtles.
BC
I congratulate the search committee and Muir on making what looks to be a good hire. I sincerely hope it works out that way.
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