[old spanish trail]

Thanks, Yvonne. Interesting.

[old spanish trail]

Thanks, Yvonne. Interesting.

[yvonne]

I suppose I will get use to SDSU and SMU being in the PAC-12.  My first reaction is I don't like it.  Although SMU is a pretty reputable academic institution.  And of course SMU being in Dallas is a big TV market and a good location for recruiting in just about all sports.  What little I know about SMU is despite its name the school is nonsectarian.

It seems like SDSU gets the offer because of TV revenue for sports and geographic location.

Being overrun by sectarian religious fervor is probably not a big risk for PAC ?   SMU probably above midpoint academically of remaining PAC? Schools.   I’ve not seen SDSU I for but they have to be more selective than ASU, Oregon.. or am I wrong about those institutions.

 You can go to College Navigator to find information from the National Center for Education Statistics. For information not available in Navigator, search "<college name> and 'common data set'"

SDSU is test blind and admits 39%;  70.5% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.
ASU is also test blind and admits 90%;  37.8% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.
Oregon is test optional and admits 86%;  54.5% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.

Interesting.  Is there a list of these number for all the Pac schools or a source where we can look it up?  

Cheers,
Pete F.

[yvonne]

I suppose I will get use to SDSU and SMU being in the PAC-12.  My first reaction is I don't like it.  Although SMU is a pretty reputable academic institution.  And of course SMU being in Dallas is a big TV market and a good location for recruiting in just about all sports.  What little I know about SMU is despite its name the school is nonsectarian.

It seems like SDSU gets the offer because of TV revenue for sports and geographic location.

Being overrun by sectarian religious fervor is probably not a big risk for PAC ?   SMU probably above midpoint academically of remaining PAC? Schools.   I’ve not seen SDSU I for but they have to be more selective than ASU, Oregon.. or am I wrong about those institutions.

 You can go to College Navigator to find information from the National Center for Education Statistics. For information not available in Navigator, search "<college name> and 'common data set'"

SDSU is test blind and admits 39%;  70.5% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.
ASU is also test blind and admits 90%;  37.8% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.
Oregon is test optional and admits 86%;  54.5% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.

Interesting.  Is there a list of these number for all the Pac schools or a source where we can look it up?  

Cheers,
Pete F.

[Farm93]

I suppose I will get use to SDSU and SMU being in the PAC-12.  My first reaction is I don't like it.  Although SMU is a pretty reputable academic institution.  And of course SMU being in Dallas is a big TV market and a good location for recruiting in just about all sports.  What little I know about SMU is despite its name the school is nonsectarian.

It seems like SDSU gets the offer because of TV revenue for sports and geographic location.

Being overrun by sectarian religious fervor is probably not a big risk for PAC ?   SMU probably above midpoint academically of remaining PAC? Schools.   I’ve not seen SDSU I for but they have to be more selective than ASU, Oregon.. or am I wrong about those institutions.

 You can go to College Navigator to find information from the National Center for Education Statistics. For information not available in Navigator, search "<college name> and 'common data set'"

SDSU is test blind and admits 39%;  70.5% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.
ASU is also test blind and admits 90%;  37.8% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.
Oregon is test optional and admits 86%;  54.5% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.

Interesting.  Is there a list of these number for all the Pac schools or a source where we can look it up?  

Cheers,
Pete F.

Just to note...
The CSUs, like the UCs, are all in one application.   So if a student really believes Sacramento State is the most selective CSU they can get into, they might still apply to LBSU, SDSU, CSUF, etc.   It is "just" an application fee.   I suspect a lot of people that apply to SDSU don't really think they will get in, but are willing to put in an extra $70 to their application just to check.   That check all (or many) approach will increase the applicants and lower the acceptance rate in a way that is not quite common elsewhere.

ASU and Oregon don't have a similar check all application situation.  The ASU application is easy, but it does require doing a few ASU specific items even in the common application.  FWIW - ASU tends to get higher ratings in the dreaded US News college rankings.

Honestly, the Pac-10+ is not really superior academically to some other conferences.   Stanford, Cal and UW are more selective and prestigious than many D1 schools, but Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State, UofA, ASU and Utah are not really that much rigorous or prestigious than many other flagship Power 5 state schools.

In the end, SDSU is in San Diego.  That's a decent media market and will allow LA, SD and OC recruits a chance to meet Pac-10+ coaches and teams when they go to SDSU.   Similar TV market and recruiting access benefits apply to SMU for the Dallas (and TX overall) market. 

The western USA just does not have many viable options for expansion.   The realistic candidates for expansion will just not compare favorably to UCLA and USC, or other current P5 schools, on most levels.

[Farm93]

I suppose I will get use to SDSU and SMU being in the PAC-12.  My first reaction is I don't like it.  Although SMU is a pretty reputable academic institution.  And of course SMU being in Dallas is a big TV market and a good location for recruiting in just about all sports.  What little I know about SMU is despite its name the school is nonsectarian.

It seems like SDSU gets the offer because of TV revenue for sports and geographic location.

Being overrun by sectarian religious fervor is probably not a big risk for PAC ?   SMU probably above midpoint academically of remaining PAC? Schools.   I’ve not seen SDSU I for but they have to be more selective than ASU, Oregon.. or am I wrong about those institutions.

 You can go to College Navigator to find information from the National Center for Education Statistics. For information not available in Navigator, search "<college name> and 'common data set'"

SDSU is test blind and admits 39%;  70.5% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.
ASU is also test blind and admits 90%;  37.8% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.
Oregon is test optional and admits 86%;  54.5% of admits had a GPA of 3.75 or higher.

Interesting.  Is there a list of these number for all the Pac schools or a source where we can look it up?  

Cheers,
Pete F.

Just to note...
The CSUs, like the UCs, are all in one application.   So if a student really believes Sacramento State is the most selective CSU they can get into, they might still apply to LBSU, SDSU, CSUF, etc.   It is "just" an application fee.   I suspect a lot of people that apply to SDSU don't really think they will get in, but are willing to put in an extra $70 to their application just to check.   That check all (or many) approach will increase the applicants and lower the acceptance rate in a way that is not quite common elsewhere.

ASU and Oregon don't have a similar check all application situation.  The ASU application is easy, but it does require doing a few ASU specific items even in the common application.  FWIW - ASU tends to get higher ratings in the dreaded US News college rankings.

Honestly, the Pac-10+ is not really superior academically to some other conferences.   Stanford, Cal and UW are more selective and prestigious than many D1 schools, but Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State, UofA, ASU and Utah are not really that much rigorous or prestigious than many other flagship Power 5 state schools.

In the end, SDSU is in San Diego.  That's a decent media market and will allow LA, SD and OC recruits a chance to meet Pac-10+ coaches and teams when they go to SDSU.   Similar TV market and recruiting access benefits apply to SMU for the Dallas (and TX overall) market. 

The western USA just does not have many viable options for expansion.   The realistic candidates for expansion will just not compare favorably to UCLA and USC, or other current P5 schools, on most levels.

[81alum]

Let me throw a curve ball into all the calculations.  Enrollment in American Universities in many regions is about to crash.

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/234281...tion-crash
https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/jus...d-recovery

It is going to hit the Midwest and Northeast particularly hard.  The most prestigious universities will fill their enrollments quite well, but many others will dwindle, and suffer concomitant budgetary disasters.  It is hard for me to imagine the Big 10, for example, continuing their dominance when most of their universities will be under severe financial pressures for years to come.  I would hate to be Penn State.

California, Texas, and Florida have large immigrant populations and will largely resist the college enrollment slump because of them.  Florida and Texas, however, have other severe problems with their higher education systems that may spill over to affect them financially and in other ways. 

In short, intercollegiate athletics has to be supported by well funded, vibrant universities, and Stanford is situated to do this well indefinitely, but many other universities are not.  A glimmer of hope.

[81alum]

Let me throw a curve ball into all the calculations.  Enrollment in American Universities in many regions is about to crash.

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/234281...tion-crash
https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/jus...d-recovery

It is going to hit the Midwest and Northeast particularly hard.  The most prestigious universities will fill their enrollments quite well, but many others will dwindle, and suffer concomitant budgetary disasters.  It is hard for me to imagine the Big 10, for example, continuing their dominance when most of their universities will be under severe financial pressures for years to come.  I would hate to be Penn State.

California, Texas, and Florida have large immigrant populations and will largely resist the college enrollment slump because of them.  Florida and Texas, however, have other severe problems with their higher education systems that may spill over to affect them financially and in other ways. 

In short, intercollegiate athletics has to be supported by well funded, vibrant universities, and Stanford is situated to do this well indefinitely, but many other universities are not.  A glimmer of hope.

[OutsiderFan]

Let’s get into this… I don’t have time to read those links above now (will later), but when I was watching PTI last week Michael Wilbon - who is very close to the Big Ten - made a cryptic comment about college sports last week that this post by 81 rang a bell on.

He was talking about something related to college athletes, and then added “if college sports even exist in the future.” It wasn’t followed up on for context, but it sure got my attention.

[OutsiderFan]

Let’s get into this… I don’t have time to read those links above now (will later), but when I was watching PTI last week Michael Wilbon - who is very close to the Big Ten - made a cryptic comment about college sports last week that this post by 81 rang a bell on.

He was talking about something related to college athletes, and then added “if college sports even exist in the future.” It wasn’t followed up on for context, but it sure got my attention.

[needle]

Every state flagship and most very selective private universities will be just fine for the 20+ years when it comes to enrollment.

Regional public universities and liberal arts colleges are for the most part going to struggle.

College athletics may die from scandal, but not famine.

[needle]

Every state flagship and most very selective private universities will be just fine for the 20+ years when it comes to enrollment.

Regional public universities and liberal arts colleges are for the most part going to struggle.

College athletics may die from scandal, but not famine.

[fullmetal]

He probably meant college athletics in its quasi-amateur form.  The current trend is to push colleges into the business of professional minor league athletics.

[fullmetal]

He probably meant college athletics in its quasi-amateur form.  The current trend is to push colleges into the business of professional minor league athletics.

[OutsiderFan]

OK, those articles don't seem to be related to the demise of major college sports.

Now that I think about it, Wilbon's comments were that the SEC and Big Ten are the only two conferences that matter and even they won't that much longer. Still don't grasp to what he was referring.

[OutsiderFan]

OK, those articles don't seem to be related to the demise of major college sports.

Now that I think about it, Wilbon's comments were that the SEC and Big Ten are the only two conferences that matter and even they won't that much longer. Still don't grasp to what he was referring.