[Branner77]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

https://www.nfl.com/news/former-stanford...cos-hc-job

Discuss!

[Branner77]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

https://www.nfl.com/news/former-stanford...cos-hc-job

Discuss!

[Canalejas]

Best of luck to him. I thought he might be headed to a TV role.  But an NFL gig would be a great next chapter.

[Canalejas]

Best of luck to him. I thought he might be headed to a TV role.  But an NFL gig would be a great next chapter.

[PAsportsfan]

Is it April 1st?

Sure feels like it…with all this rain.

[PAsportsfan]

Is it April 1st?

Sure feels like it…with all this rain.

[chrisk]

A Rooney rule interview or a a Condi courtesy interview?

[chrisk]

A Rooney rule interview or a a Condi courtesy interview?

[Snorlax94]

A Rooney rule interview or a a Condi courtesy interview?

That’s awfully cynical.

I have long felt that Shaw might be a better NFL coach than college coach.

There is a salary cap in the NFL, and a scholarship cap in college. The way to have a better roster in college is to be better at convincing high school kids, or to have better boosters, or to cheat. The way to have a better roster in the NFL is to evaluate draft prospects better, and Shaw is a well-known, well-respected evaluator of the NFL draft.

Coaches fresh from college also seem to have a leg-up drafting players they’d seen in college — think of Carroll drafting Sherman as a 5th rounder and Baldwin undrafted, and Chip Kelly drafting Ertz.

Shaw’s mellow demeanor might also go over better in a room of multimillionaire professionals. Pete Carroll has been complimented by players for treating players like adults.

And Shaw’s greatest weaknesses — thinking it’s a good idea to play Army or UCF, or kicking off the season in Australia, or promoting or retaining mediocre staff, or losing a competitive edge in player development — don’t matter in the NFL. The GM, league and owner make most of those decisions. There is no 10 coach limit, limited hours, interactions with only the S&C coach in the off-season in the NFL.

Another of Shaw’s weaknesses are the schemes that might work “if only” the line could give you enough time, or “if only” the team had has much depth as the competition, or “if only” they could bring in new players each year instead of being limited by a multiyear recruiting and development process. But in the NFL, if you suck one year, you can draft the #1 draft pick the next year. If injuries deplete an area, you can bid on free agents. It’s a totally different game in these respects.

My biggest concern is that coaching in the NFL is for young innovators with fresh ideas and a willingness to outwork and outplan the competition. That was Shaw in 2015, but he hasn’t demonstrated it lately. I don’t think Shaw is a slam-dunk, but in the NFL you can easily hire and fire someone quickly, and it won’t disrupt the recruiting process, etc. i think it’s worth a shot for someone. At this point, I’d sooner take a gamble with Shaw than with Belichick.

[Snorlax94]

A Rooney rule interview or a a Condi courtesy interview?

That’s awfully cynical.

I have long felt that Shaw might be a better NFL coach than college coach.

There is a salary cap in the NFL, and a scholarship cap in college. The way to have a better roster in college is to be better at convincing high school kids, or to have better boosters, or to cheat. The way to have a better roster in the NFL is to evaluate draft prospects better, and Shaw is a well-known, well-respected evaluator of the NFL draft.

Coaches fresh from college also seem to have a leg-up drafting players they’d seen in college — think of Carroll drafting Sherman as a 5th rounder and Baldwin undrafted, and Chip Kelly drafting Ertz.

Shaw’s mellow demeanor might also go over better in a room of multimillionaire professionals. Pete Carroll has been complimented by players for treating players like adults.

And Shaw’s greatest weaknesses — thinking it’s a good idea to play Army or UCF, or kicking off the season in Australia, or promoting or retaining mediocre staff, or losing a competitive edge in player development — don’t matter in the NFL. The GM, league and owner make most of those decisions. There is no 10 coach limit, limited hours, interactions with only the S&C coach in the off-season in the NFL.

Another of Shaw’s weaknesses are the schemes that might work “if only” the line could give you enough time, or “if only” the team had has much depth as the competition, or “if only” they could bring in new players each year instead of being limited by a multiyear recruiting and development process. But in the NFL, if you suck one year, you can draft the #1 draft pick the next year. If injuries deplete an area, you can bid on free agents. It’s a totally different game in these respects.

My biggest concern is that coaching in the NFL is for young innovators with fresh ideas and a willingness to outwork and outplan the competition. That was Shaw in 2015, but he hasn’t demonstrated it lately. I don’t think Shaw is a slam-dunk, but in the NFL you can easily hire and fire someone quickly, and it won’t disrupt the recruiting process, etc. i think it’s worth a shot for someone. At this point, I’d sooner take a gamble with Shaw than with Belichick.

[JohnR34231]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

[JohnR34231]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

[needle]

If Shaw is indeed a well respected evaluator of NFL talent, I would think he could/should land a job of major responsibility in an NFL front office. Still might happen, but getting a courtesy interview to be a head coach doesn’t seem to be a step in that direction.

[needle]

If Shaw is indeed a well respected evaluator of NFL talent, I would think he could/should land a job of major responsibility in an NFL front office. Still might happen, but getting a courtesy interview to be a head coach doesn’t seem to be a step in that direction.

[SamuelMcF]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

[SamuelMcF]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

[Farm93]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

And Lovie didn't win multiple Rose Bowl games or become Illinois' winningest coach.

However, don't dismiss the Rooney angle.   Getting access to existing NFL coordinators is not always easy, and many existing college coaches might publicly turn an interview down to show recruits they are all-in with their current job.    A former college coach is a better play.

That noted I think it is quite possible we will all re-discover that winning in the NFL is easier than winning at Stanford.   Walsh, Green, and Harbaugh all did a lot of great things in the NFL after doing far less winning at Stanford.

The next successful coach at Stanford will almost certainly highlight the challenges of winning at Stanford as they jump to the NFL.   And that next successful coach will be more likely to fall into the Walsh, Green and Harbaugh timeline than the Shaw timeline.

[Farm93]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

And Lovie didn't win multiple Rose Bowl games or become Illinois' winningest coach.

However, don't dismiss the Rooney angle.   Getting access to existing NFL coordinators is not always easy, and many existing college coaches might publicly turn an interview down to show recruits they are all-in with their current job.    A former college coach is a better play.

That noted I think it is quite possible we will all re-discover that winning in the NFL is easier than winning at Stanford.   Walsh, Green, and Harbaugh all did a lot of great things in the NFL after doing far less winning at Stanford.

The next successful coach at Stanford will almost certainly highlight the challenges of winning at Stanford as they jump to the NFL.   And that next successful coach will be more likely to fall into the Walsh, Green and Harbaugh timeline than the Shaw timeline.

[JohnR34231]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

Wasn't he also fired after one year as head coach? That's doing well?

[JohnR34231]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

Wasn't he also fired after one year as head coach? That's doing well?

[82lsju]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

Wasn't he also fired after one year as head coach? That's doing well?

Smith had also previously been an NFL head coach with the Bears (going 81-63 from 2004-12) and Buccaneers (going 8-24 from 2014-15)

[82lsju]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

Wasn't he also fired after one year as head coach? That's doing well?

Smith had also previously been an NFL head coach with the Bears (going 81-63 from 2004-12) and Buccaneers (going 8-24 from 2014-15)

[Jamesy]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

And Lovie didn't win multiple Rose Bowl games or become Illinois' winningest coach.

However, don't dismiss the Rooney angle.   Getting access to existing NFL coordinators is not always easy, and many existing college coaches might publicly turn an interview down to show recruits they are all-in with their current job.    A former college coach is a better play.

That noted I think it is quite possible we will all re-discover that winning in the NFL is easier than winning at Stanford.   Walsh, Green, and Harbaugh all did a lot of great things in the NFL after doing far less winning at Stanford.

The next successful coach at Stanford will almost certainly highlight the challenges of winning at Stanford as they jump to the NFL.   And that next successful coach will be more likely to fall into the Walsh, Green and Harbaugh timeline than the Shaw timeline.

Not a rooney rule interview. Broncos had already interviewed at least two other minority candidates prior to Shaw.

[Jamesy]

Has a college coach with the kind of record Shaw has had since 2019 ever been hired and done well in the NFL?
Just wondering.

Lovie Smith was 17-39 at Illinois.

And Lovie didn't win multiple Rose Bowl games or become Illinois' winningest coach.

However, don't dismiss the Rooney angle.   Getting access to existing NFL coordinators is not always easy, and many existing college coaches might publicly turn an interview down to show recruits they are all-in with their current job.    A former college coach is a better play.

That noted I think it is quite possible we will all re-discover that winning in the NFL is easier than winning at Stanford.   Walsh, Green, and Harbaugh all did a lot of great things in the NFL after doing far less winning at Stanford.

The next successful coach at Stanford will almost certainly highlight the challenges of winning at Stanford as they jump to the NFL.   And that next successful coach will be more likely to fall into the Walsh, Green and Harbaugh timeline than the Shaw timeline.

Not a rooney rule interview. Broncos had already interviewed at least two other minority candidates prior to Shaw.

[Nan3cy]

Walsh didn’t do too badly in his first time at Stanford — 9 and 3 in 1977 and 8 and 4 in 1978 (or maybe the other way around?) - but winning bowl games both years.

[Nan3cy]

Walsh didn’t do too badly in his first time at Stanford — 9 and 3 in 1977 and 8 and 4 in 1978 (or maybe the other way around?) - but winning bowl games both years.