03-23-2023, 03:32 PM
Good memories. One thing I always admired about Montgomery's teams was the FT%. Disciplined in practice and at the line.
MBB: Silva to the transfer portal
03-23-2023, 03:44 PM
That’s funny full metal. I went to chalk talks before every monty game and almost always someone would ask “ do you ever practice free throws”. I kid you not
03-23-2023, 06:36 PM
Well, with all the attrition, we are getting neither a good basketball program nor the ability to take the "high road" to say that our players are committed for four years and are motivated by their degree. If you are going to play the same game everyone else plays, then you at least hop to play it for more than 112 wins in 7 seasons (16 wins per season).
I don't want to judge Haase on any single player transfering; Silva has his reasons and they may be unrelated to basketball. However, a pattern of transfers out of the program is not a good look in my opinion. I recognize that some people believe that it's ok, or even that we should be more ruthless about encouraging non-contributors to move on, but I disagree. Given that the overall admission rate for Stanford is under 5%, and recruited athletes are advantaged compared to the average student, I think it is to be responsible with those athletic admissions, and that we use them for student athletes that will value the admission that they get. I get it, some student-athletes are inevitably going to transfer (as do regular students), so I understand it. However, as a matter of principle, I don't think our coaches should be cavalier about it, and they certainly shouldn't encourage it. I realize that there may be a trade-off with how competitive we can be under those circumstances, but, especially, if we are going to suck anyways, is it really buying us much? And even if it made a difference in our success, is departing from the underlying mission of the university worth it?
BC
I don't want to judge Haase on any single player transfering; Silva has his reasons and they may be unrelated to basketball. However, a pattern of transfers out of the program is not a good look in my opinion. I recognize that some people believe that it's ok, or even that we should be more ruthless about encouraging non-contributors to move on, but I disagree. Given that the overall admission rate for Stanford is under 5%, and recruited athletes are advantaged compared to the average student, I think it is to be responsible with those athletic admissions, and that we use them for student athletes that will value the admission that they get. I get it, some student-athletes are inevitably going to transfer (as do regular students), so I understand it. However, as a matter of principle, I don't think our coaches should be cavalier about it, and they certainly shouldn't encourage it. I realize that there may be a trade-off with how competitive we can be under those circumstances, but, especially, if we are going to suck anyways, is it really buying us much? And even if it made a difference in our success, is departing from the underlying mission of the university worth it?
BC
Well, with all the attrition, we are getting neither a good basketball program nor the ability to take the "high road" to say that our players are committed for four years and are motivated by their degree. If you are going to play the same game everyone else plays, then you at least hop to play it for more than 112 wins in 7 seasons (16 wins per season).
I don't want to judge Haase on any single player transfering; Silva has his reasons and they may be unrelated to basketball. However, a pattern of transfers out of the program is not a good look in my opinion. I recognize that some people believe that it's ok, or even that we should be more ruthless about encouraging non-contributors to move on, but I disagree. Given that the overall admission rate for Stanford is under 5%, and recruited athletes are advantaged compared to the average student, I think it is to be responsible with those athletic admissions, and that we use them for student athletes that will value the admission that they get. I get it, some student-athletes are inevitably going to transfer (as do regular students), so I understand it. However, as a matter of principle, I don't think our coaches should be cavalier about it, and they certainly shouldn't encourage it. I realize that there may be a trade-off with how competitive we can be under those circumstances, but, especially, if we are going to suck anyways, is it really buying us much? And even if it made a difference in our success, is departing from the underlying mission of the university worth it?
BC
I don't want to judge Haase on any single player transfering; Silva has his reasons and they may be unrelated to basketball. However, a pattern of transfers out of the program is not a good look in my opinion. I recognize that some people believe that it's ok, or even that we should be more ruthless about encouraging non-contributors to move on, but I disagree. Given that the overall admission rate for Stanford is under 5%, and recruited athletes are advantaged compared to the average student, I think it is to be responsible with those athletic admissions, and that we use them for student athletes that will value the admission that they get. I get it, some student-athletes are inevitably going to transfer (as do regular students), so I understand it. However, as a matter of principle, I don't think our coaches should be cavalier about it, and they certainly shouldn't encourage it. I realize that there may be a trade-off with how competitive we can be under those circumstances, but, especially, if we are going to suck anyways, is it really buying us much? And even if it made a difference in our success, is departing from the underlying mission of the university worth it?
BC
03-24-2023, 07:21 AM
(03-23-2023, 03:04 PM)bl82 Wrote:(03-23-2023, 02:28 PM)DenverCard Wrote: I have a memory of Chris Hernandez getting fouled shooting a three-pointer as time expired with Stanford down by 3. A regular season game, but one with high stakes, big crowd, ? national TV. So if he misses any of the three free throws, game over. He of course nailed them all, and Stanford went on to win.
Hoping those with more reliable memories can reassure me that indeed, this is a literally accurate memory and not merely a metaphor for his career.
https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2006...anford-men
Thank for finding that article, bl82! At least for now there are still ways to confirm the accuracy of what we recall. I fear that in the future one might find an infinite number of official-looking stories on any given topic.
(03-23-2023, 03:04 PM)bl82 Wrote:(03-23-2023, 02:28 PM)DenverCard Wrote: I have a memory of Chris Hernandez getting fouled shooting a three-pointer as time expired with Stanford down by 3. A regular season game, but one with high stakes, big crowd, ? national TV. So if he misses any of the three free throws, game over. He of course nailed them all, and Stanford went on to win.
Hoping those with more reliable memories can reassure me that indeed, this is a literally accurate memory and not merely a metaphor for his career.
https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2006...anford-men
Thank for finding that article, bl82! At least for now there are still ways to confirm the accuracy of what we recall. I fear that in the future one might find an infinite number of official-looking stories on any given topic.
03-24-2023, 08:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkB7hnv8gfQ
They don't show the free throws, but they show the play. Amazing that 17 years later, one can find video on YouTube.
By the way, that was actually a nicely diagrammed inbounds play. Inbounds to Haryasz at the half court who gets it to a streaking Hernandez, who gets fouled attempting the shot. It worked out, but given the circumstances, it would have been a great play call even if Hernandez hadn't been fouled and the shot clanked off the rim.
BC
They don't show the free throws, but they show the play. Amazing that 17 years later, one can find video on YouTube.
By the way, that was actually a nicely diagrammed inbounds play. Inbounds to Haryasz at the half court who gets it to a streaking Hernandez, who gets fouled attempting the shot. It worked out, but given the circumstances, it would have been a great play call even if Hernandez hadn't been fouled and the shot clanked off the rim.
BC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkB7hnv8gfQ
They don't show the free throws, but they show the play. Amazing that 17 years later, one can find video on YouTube.
By the way, that was actually a nicely diagrammed inbounds play. Inbounds to Haryasz at the half court who gets it to a streaking Hernandez, who gets fouled attempting the shot. It worked out, but given the circumstances, it would have been a great play call even if Hernandez hadn't been fouled and the shot clanked off the rim.
BC
They don't show the free throws, but they show the play. Amazing that 17 years later, one can find video on YouTube.
By the way, that was actually a nicely diagrammed inbounds play. Inbounds to Haryasz at the half court who gets it to a streaking Hernandez, who gets fouled attempting the shot. It worked out, but given the circumstances, it would have been a great play call even if Hernandez hadn't been fouled and the shot clanked off the rim.
BC
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