[fullmetal]

We have shared a conference with USC for over a century. I don't think the ACC is going to shock us.

mic.  drop.

[fullmetal]

We have shared a conference with USC for over a century. I don't think the ACC is going to shock us.

mic.  drop.

[TreesAndBirds]

Good article on how the ACC deal came together. 

Notes importance of Condi Rice (and Muir) given “instability on the academic side”. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--h...wMPfl5C10_

[TreesAndBirds]

Good article on how the ACC deal came together. 

Notes importance of Condi Rice (and Muir) given “instability on the academic side”. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--h...wMPfl5C10_

[estephan500]

Maybe I'm not hard nosed, maybe I'm clueless. I feel total gratitude and relief. I have no problems with the ACC. I had problems thinking we would be in Siberia in a couple years. True that the flights will suck. I will take this over what I had been envisioning. How will we stack up in ithe conference? 

https://apple.news/A5Gubi0ryQm-isc8ukne7qw

[estephan500]

Maybe I'm not hard nosed, maybe I'm clueless. I feel total gratitude and relief. I have no problems with the ACC. I had problems thinking we would be in Siberia in a couple years. True that the flights will suck. I will take this over what I had been envisioning. How will we stack up in ithe conference? 

https://apple.news/A5Gubi0ryQm-isc8ukne7qw

[Softball Fan]

Latest rumor going around:  Mountain West schools in discussion with PAC-12 (what's left of it) to merge into PAC-12, maintaining PAC-12 name and branding.

[Softball Fan]

Latest rumor going around:  Mountain West schools in discussion with PAC-12 (what's left of it) to merge into PAC-12, maintaining PAC-12 name and branding.

[TriangleTree]

Any truth to those articles saying Stanford May play football home games in Dallas?
I really hope that’s some hack writing nonsense. 

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foot...-new-teams

[TriangleTree]

Any truth to those articles saying Stanford May play football home games in Dallas?
I really hope that’s some hack writing nonsense. 

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foot...-new-teams

[Mick]

Latest rumor going around:  Mountain West schools in discussion with PAC-12 (what's left of it) to merge into PAC-12, maintaining PAC-12 name and branding.

Pretty good idea.  And good for WSU and OSU...they'll be the class of the conference.

[Mick]

Latest rumor going around:  Mountain West schools in discussion with PAC-12 (what's left of it) to merge into PAC-12, maintaining PAC-12 name and branding.

Pretty good idea.  And good for WSU and OSU...they'll be the class of the conference.

[CompSci87]

Latest rumor going around:  Mountain West schools in discussion with PAC-12 (what's left of it) to merge into PAC-12, maintaining PAC-12 name and branding.

Pretty good idea.  And good for WSU and OSU...they'll be the class of the conference.

That might be expedient, but it would be kind of a travesty to have a Pac-X conference with only OSU and WSU as historic Pac-X schools.

[CompSci87]

Latest rumor going around:  Mountain West schools in discussion with PAC-12 (what's left of it) to merge into PAC-12, maintaining PAC-12 name and branding.

Pretty good idea.  And good for WSU and OSU...they'll be the class of the conference.

That might be expedient, but it would be kind of a travesty to have a Pac-X conference with only OSU and WSU as historic Pac-X schools.

[chrisk]

Any truth to those articles saying Stanford May play football home games in Dallas?
I really hope that’s some hack writing nonsense. 

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foot...-new-teams

The SMU backers (oil men putting up the $200M to fund the media shortfall) are pushing to have Dallas host Olympic sports get togethers so Cal, Stanford, and SMU could play multiple eastern ACC members while limiting travel for everybody. I don't see the point to playing more than one neutral site football game.

[chrisk]

Any truth to those articles saying Stanford May play football home games in Dallas?
I really hope that’s some hack writing nonsense. 

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foot...-new-teams

The SMU backers (oil men putting up the $200M to fund the media shortfall) are pushing to have Dallas host Olympic sports get togethers so Cal, Stanford, and SMU could play multiple eastern ACC members while limiting travel for everybody. I don't see the point to playing more than one neutral site football game.

[old spanish trail]

Good article on how the ACC deal came together. 

Notes importance of Condi Rice (and Muir) given “instability on the academic side”. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--h...wMPfl5C10_

Thanks for this, Trees. Interesting.

[old spanish trail]

Good article on how the ACC deal came together. 

Notes importance of Condi Rice (and Muir) given “instability on the academic side”. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--h...wMPfl5C10_

Thanks for this, Trees. Interesting.

[terry]

Good article on how the ACC deal came together. 

Notes importance of Condi Rice (and Muir) given “instability on the academic side”. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--h...wMPfl5C10_

Interesting article. It seems that Stanford pursued the ACC earlier and more aggressively than I had realized.

FWIW, when I was in Hawaii, I heard from a Stanford insider that representatives of Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina privately told Stanford officials at the end of the process that they now supported expansion. They said that their schools voted "no" for reasons of public perception and campus politics. They knew their votes were not needed to approve expansion once NC State had flipped, and they didn't want to go on record as "yes" votes, even though they privately had come around to favor expansion.

[terry]

Good article on how the ACC deal came together. 

Notes importance of Condi Rice (and Muir) given “instability on the academic side”. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--h...wMPfl5C10_

Interesting article. It seems that Stanford pursued the ACC earlier and more aggressively than I had realized.

FWIW, when I was in Hawaii, I heard from a Stanford insider that representatives of Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina privately told Stanford officials at the end of the process that they now supported expansion. They said that their schools voted "no" for reasons of public perception and campus politics. They knew their votes were not needed to approve expansion once NC State had flipped, and they didn't want to go on record as "yes" votes, even though they privately had come around to favor expansion.

[Goose]

Good article on how the ACC deal came together. 

Notes importance of Condi Rice (and Muir) given “instability on the academic side”. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--h...wMPfl5C10_

Interesting article. It seems that Stanford pursued the ACC earlier and more aggressively than I had realized.

FWIW, when I was in Hawaii, I heard from a Stanford insider that representatives of Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina privately told Stanford officials at the end of the process that they now supported expansion. They said that their schools voted "no" for reasons of public perception and campus politics. Their votes were not needed to approve expansion, and they didn't want to go on record as "yes" votes, even though they privately had come around to favor expansion.

I can believe that, but IMO they were in a win-win situation. They could hold out, get 4 (or more) no votes and perhaps increase distension leading to the desired dissolution. They also could hold out and not get 4 votes. If that happened (which it did), they get to make their point and make many extra million dollars per year. What they actually "favor" is leaving. The millions are a nice consolation prize. About the new admits, they really care not either way, because they want this to be a very temporary situation (for themselves anyway).

[Goose]

Good article on how the ACC deal came together. 

Notes importance of Condi Rice (and Muir) given “instability on the academic side”. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/it-is-insane--h...wMPfl5C10_

Interesting article. It seems that Stanford pursued the ACC earlier and more aggressively than I had realized.

FWIW, when I was in Hawaii, I heard from a Stanford insider that representatives of Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina privately told Stanford officials at the end of the process that they now supported expansion. They said that their schools voted "no" for reasons of public perception and campus politics. Their votes were not needed to approve expansion, and they didn't want to go on record as "yes" votes, even though they privately had come around to favor expansion.

I can believe that, but IMO they were in a win-win situation. They could hold out, get 4 (or more) no votes and perhaps increase distension leading to the desired dissolution. They also could hold out and not get 4 votes. If that happened (which it did), they get to make their point and make many extra million dollars per year. What they actually "favor" is leaving. The millions are a nice consolation prize. About the new admits, they really care not either way, because they want this to be a very temporary situation (for themselves anyway).

[TooMuchTV]

Any truth to those articles saying Stanford May play football home games in Dallas?
I really hope that’s some hack writing nonsense. 

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foot...-new-teams

The SMU backers (oil men putting up the $200M to fund the media shortfall) are pushing to have Dallas host Olympic sports get togethers so Cal, Stanford, and SMU could play multiple eastern ACC members while limiting travel for everybody.  I don't see the point to playing more than one neutral site football game.

Yup. NOT for football games. The following article gets it right.

Dallas could become hub city for newly expanded ACC (sportsbusinessjournal.com)

I can see using Dallas in the winter, and maybe Chicago/South Bend in the spring/summer.

[TooMuchTV]

Any truth to those articles saying Stanford May play football home games in Dallas?
I really hope that’s some hack writing nonsense. 

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/foot...-new-teams

The SMU backers (oil men putting up the $200M to fund the media shortfall) are pushing to have Dallas host Olympic sports get togethers so Cal, Stanford, and SMU could play multiple eastern ACC members while limiting travel for everybody.  I don't see the point to playing more than one neutral site football game.

Yup. NOT for football games. The following article gets it right.

Dallas could become hub city for newly expanded ACC (sportsbusinessjournal.com)

I can see using Dallas in the winter, and maybe Chicago/South Bend in the spring/summer.

[82 Card]

This morning I thought I would watch some of the Notre Dame vs. NC State game to get info on our current and future opponents. When I launched the game on ESPN, they were showing the Utah game. The Notre Dame game is delayed by lightning. They say they'll get the game in today as long as it can be done before midnight in Raleigh. Although lightning can strike anywhere, I don't recall our games being delayed much by it. Guess this is our new world.

[82 Card]

This morning I thought I would watch some of the Notre Dame vs. NC State game to get info on our current and future opponents. When I launched the game on ESPN, they were showing the Utah game. The Notre Dame game is delayed by lightning. They say they'll get the game in today as long as it can be done before midnight in Raleigh. Although lightning can strike anywhere, I don't recall our games being delayed much by it. Guess this is our new world.

[Softball Fan]

So far this season ACC football is 4-1 against SEC.

[Softball Fan]

So far this season ACC football is 4-1 against SEC.

[Mick]

So far this season ACC football is 4-1 against SEC.

After two weeks, here's the OOC record for the five major conferences:

Pac-12: 20-3 / 87%
Big 10: 18-4 / 82%
SEC:     23-6 / 79%
ACC:    18-6 / 75%
Big 12: 20-8 / 71%

And the Pac-12 is the conference going out of business. Sheesh...

[Mick]

So far this season ACC football is 4-1 against SEC.

After two weeks, here's the OOC record for the five major conferences:

Pac-12: 20-3 / 87%
Big 10: 18-4 / 82%
SEC:     23-6 / 79%
ACC:    18-6 / 75%
Big 12: 20-8 / 71%

And the Pac-12 is the conference going out of business. Sheesh...

[Maple Leaf]

SMU raises more than $100 million in 1 week to help its ACC transition - The Athletic

SMU has raised more than $100 million in seven days to help its transition to the ACC next year, the school announced Monday. Here’s what you need to know.

On Sept. 1, SMU accepted an invitation to join the ACC alongside Stanford and Cal, beginning next season. As part of that agreement, sources familiar with the arrangement said SMU will forgo nine years of ACC television money, around $24 million per year.[/color]
[SMU boosters told The Athletic they plan to give more than $200 million to offset the absent TV money. This $100 million was raised by a small group of 30 donors, according to the school.In addition to this money, SMU announced that men’s basketball season ticket sales have jumped 30 percent since the Sept. 1 announcement, and “hundreds” of new football season tickets have been sold as well

Not just another day on the farm, but just enough time for a six pack at the Pump Jack in West Texas.[/color]

[Maple Leaf]

SMU raises more than $100 million in 1 week to help its ACC transition - The Athletic

SMU has raised more than $100 million in seven days to help its transition to the ACC next year, the school announced Monday. Here’s what you need to know.

On Sept. 1, SMU accepted an invitation to join the ACC alongside Stanford and Cal, beginning next season. As part of that agreement, sources familiar with the arrangement said SMU will forgo nine years of ACC television money, around $24 million per year.[/color]
[SMU boosters told The Athletic they plan to give more than $200 million to offset the absent TV money. This $100 million was raised by a small group of 30 donors, according to the school.In addition to this money, SMU announced that men’s basketball season ticket sales have jumped 30 percent since the Sept. 1 announcement, and “hundreds” of new football season tickets have been sold as well

Not just another day on the farm, but just enough time for a six pack at the Pump Jack in West Texas.[/color]

[Softball Fan]

Maybe SEC will take another look at Stanford for academic credentials to the conference after the football team rebuilds itself.

I believe Vanderbilt is the only private university in the SEC and arguably the flagship SEC school for academics.  Vanderbilt did not take kindly to being dissed in the US News 2024 College rankings released last week.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...#xj4y7vzkg

[Softball Fan]

Maybe SEC will take another look at Stanford for academic credentials to the conference after the football team rebuilds itself.

I believe Vanderbilt is the only private university in the SEC and arguably the flagship SEC school for academics.  Vanderbilt did not take kindly to being dissed in the US News 2024 College rankings released last week.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...#xj4y7vzkg

[Mick]

California recruits can still play close to home if they go to USC and UCLA, they just have to travel farther for road games a few times a year. Presuming there are California recruits not interested in Stanford but who would prefer it if they were in a conference that played more bad West Coast teams instead of bad Midwest teams, there is still the issue of admissions. Stanford will always have to recruit nationally because of that.  

Tangential, but maybe the likely upcoming dropping of standardized testing for admissions, as has already happened at UC's, will somewhat broaden our recruiting pool. Shame it will matter less if we're in the Mountain/Pac.

FWLIW, Dartmouth has decided to resume standardized testing for the class of 2029 (following MIT in February, 2022). 
Dartmouth to resume standardized test score requirement for prospective students

Dartmouth had been standardized test-optional since 2020. Decision was based upon this study:
sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf (dartmouth.edu)

Opportunity Insights, based at Harvard, completed this study which confirms those findings (Harvard itself is test-optional through the class of 2030).
SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf (opportunityinsights.org)

Columbia rejected standardized testing last March: Columbia is Test-Optional | Columbia Undergraduate Admissions

1,900 colleges remain test-optional, and 84 will not review student scores under any circumstance.

[Mick]

California recruits can still play close to home if they go to USC and UCLA, they just have to travel farther for road games a few times a year. Presuming there are California recruits not interested in Stanford but who would prefer it if they were in a conference that played more bad West Coast teams instead of bad Midwest teams, there is still the issue of admissions. Stanford will always have to recruit nationally because of that.  

Tangential, but maybe the likely upcoming dropping of standardized testing for admissions, as has already happened at UC's, will somewhat broaden our recruiting pool. Shame it will matter less if we're in the Mountain/Pac.

FWLIW, Dartmouth has decided to resume standardized testing for the class of 2029 (following MIT in February, 2022). 
Dartmouth to resume standardized test score requirement for prospective students

Dartmouth had been standardized test-optional since 2020. Decision was based upon this study:
sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf (dartmouth.edu)

Opportunity Insights, based at Harvard, completed this study which confirms those findings (Harvard itself is test-optional through the class of 2030).
SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf (opportunityinsights.org)

Columbia rejected standardized testing last March: Columbia is Test-Optional | Columbia Undergraduate Admissions

1,900 colleges remain test-optional, and 84 will not review student scores under any circumstance.

[2006alum]

California recruits can still play close to home if they go to USC and UCLA, they just have to travel farther for road games a few times a year. Presuming there are California recruits not interested in Stanford but who would prefer it if they were in a conference that played more bad West Coast teams instead of bad Midwest teams, there is still the issue of admissions. Stanford will always have to recruit nationally because of that.  

Tangential, but maybe the likely upcoming dropping of standardized testing for admissions, as has already happened at UC's, will somewhat broaden our recruiting pool. Shame it will matter less if we're in the Mountain/Pac.

FWLIW, Dartmouth has decided to resume standardized testing for the class of 2029 (following MIT in February, 2022). 
Dartmouth to resume standardized test score requirement for prospective students

Dartmouth had been standardized test-optional since 2020. Decision was based upon this study:
sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf (dartmouth.edu)

Opportunity Insights, based at Harvard, completed this study which confirms those findings (Harvard itself is test-optional through the class of 2030).
SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf (opportunityinsights.org)

Columbia rejected standardized testing last March: Columbia is Test-Optional | Columbia Undergraduate Admissions

1,900 colleges remain test-optional, and 84 will not review student scores under any circumstance.

Thanks for sharing these links. Some of the most substantive, data-rich discussions I've seen on the subject. Refreshing in an atmosphere of data-lite hot takes on all sides. 

At least at the high school I briefly attended, a 4.0 was almost assured if you just bothered to do the work. On that basis, I'm not at all surprised that HS GPA is a poor predictor of elite collegiate success.

[2006alum]

California recruits can still play close to home if they go to USC and UCLA, they just have to travel farther for road games a few times a year. Presuming there are California recruits not interested in Stanford but who would prefer it if they were in a conference that played more bad West Coast teams instead of bad Midwest teams, there is still the issue of admissions. Stanford will always have to recruit nationally because of that.  

Tangential, but maybe the likely upcoming dropping of standardized testing for admissions, as has already happened at UC's, will somewhat broaden our recruiting pool. Shame it will matter less if we're in the Mountain/Pac.

FWLIW, Dartmouth has decided to resume standardized testing for the class of 2029 (following MIT in February, 2022). 
Dartmouth to resume standardized test score requirement for prospective students

Dartmouth had been standardized test-optional since 2020. Decision was based upon this study:
sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf (dartmouth.edu)

Opportunity Insights, based at Harvard, completed this study which confirms those findings (Harvard itself is test-optional through the class of 2030).
SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf (opportunityinsights.org)

Columbia rejected standardized testing last March: Columbia is Test-Optional | Columbia Undergraduate Admissions

1,900 colleges remain test-optional, and 84 will not review student scores under any circumstance.

Thanks for sharing these links. Some of the most substantive, data-rich discussions I've seen on the subject. Refreshing in an atmosphere of data-lite hot takes on all sides. 

At least at the high school I briefly attended, a 4.0 was almost assured if you just bothered to do the work. On that basis, I'm not at all surprised that HS GPA is a poor predictor of elite collegiate success.

[Mick]

California recruits can still play close to home if they go to USC and UCLA, they just have to travel farther for road games a few times a year. Presuming there are California recruits not interested in Stanford but who would prefer it if they were in a conference that played more bad West Coast teams instead of bad Midwest teams, there is still the issue of admissions. Stanford will always have to recruit nationally because of that.  

Tangential, but maybe the likely upcoming dropping of standardized testing for admissions, as has already happened at UC's, will somewhat broaden our recruiting pool. Shame it will matter less if we're in the Mountain/Pac.

FWLIW, Dartmouth has decided to resume standardized testing for the class of 2029 (following MIT in February, 2022). 
Dartmouth to resume standardized test score requirement for prospective students

Dartmouth had been standardized test-optional since 2020. Decision was based upon this study:
sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf (dartmouth.edu)

Opportunity Insights, based at Harvard, completed this study which confirms those findings (Harvard itself is test-optional through the class of 2030).
SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf (opportunityinsights.org)

Columbia rejected standardized testing last March: Columbia is Test-Optional | Columbia Undergraduate Admissions

1,900 colleges remain test-optional, and 84 will not review student scores under any circumstance.

Yale is considering reversing their anti-standardized test decision. Quote from their Director of Admissions: “The SAT or the ACT is the single best predictor of a student’s academic performance at Yale,” Quinlan said on the Admissions Beat podcast in October, challenging a widely held belief that high-school grade point average is often a better indicator of future academic outcomes. The SAT’s math section in particular helps predict which students will persist as science majors, he said.

Yale Weighs Reversing SAT Testing After Dartmouth, MIT Shift

[Mick]

California recruits can still play close to home if they go to USC and UCLA, they just have to travel farther for road games a few times a year. Presuming there are California recruits not interested in Stanford but who would prefer it if they were in a conference that played more bad West Coast teams instead of bad Midwest teams, there is still the issue of admissions. Stanford will always have to recruit nationally because of that.  

Tangential, but maybe the likely upcoming dropping of standardized testing for admissions, as has already happened at UC's, will somewhat broaden our recruiting pool. Shame it will matter less if we're in the Mountain/Pac.

FWLIW, Dartmouth has decided to resume standardized testing for the class of 2029 (following MIT in February, 2022). 
Dartmouth to resume standardized test score requirement for prospective students

Dartmouth had been standardized test-optional since 2020. Decision was based upon this study:
sat-undergrad-admissions.pdf (dartmouth.edu)

Opportunity Insights, based at Harvard, completed this study which confirms those findings (Harvard itself is test-optional through the class of 2030).
SAT_ACT_on_Grades.pdf (opportunityinsights.org)

Columbia rejected standardized testing last March: Columbia is Test-Optional | Columbia Undergraduate Admissions

1,900 colleges remain test-optional, and 84 will not review student scores under any circumstance.

Yale is considering reversing their anti-standardized test decision. Quote from their Director of Admissions: “The SAT or the ACT is the single best predictor of a student’s academic performance at Yale,” Quinlan said on the Admissions Beat podcast in October, challenging a widely held belief that high-school grade point average is often a better indicator of future academic outcomes. The SAT’s math section in particular helps predict which students will persist as science majors, he said.

Yale Weighs Reversing SAT Testing After Dartmouth, MIT Shift