04-30-2024, 03:11 PM
Canseco or McGuire?
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Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714524341' Wrote: 1714524341[/url]']
Watched the Giants vs. Red Sox tonight. I noticed that the Red Sox had retired a lot of numbers (10). I looked it up, it was about average.
There are 16 original teams in MLB dating from the turn of the last century (Athletics, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Indians/Guardians, Orioles, Phillies, Pirates, Red Sox, Reds, Tigers, Twins, White Sox, Yankees)
Which American League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? Which National League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? The answer is here, if you'd like to look it up: https://www.mlb.com/news/every-mlb-team-...c300753386
Just an odd aside...there were five original Hall of Fame members; Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner. Only one has not had their jersey retired by their team. Which one?
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714524341' Wrote: 1714524341[/url]']
Watched the Giants vs. Red Sox tonight. I noticed that the Red Sox had retired a lot of numbers (10). I looked it up, it was about average.
There are 16 original teams in MLB dating from the turn of the last century (Athletics, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Indians/Guardians, Orioles, Phillies, Pirates, Red Sox, Reds, Tigers, Twins, White Sox, Yankees)
Which American League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? Which National League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? The answer is here, if you'd like to look it up: https://www.mlb.com/news/every-mlb-team-...c300753386
Just an odd aside...there were five original Hall of Fame members; Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner. Only one has not had their jersey retired by their team. Which one?
(04-30-2024, 06:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not Canseco, McGuire, or Bonds.
Like Gary Carter, this player had a brief stint with the Giants but is most known for his career on another team. He's a five-time all-star, two-time world champion, won two silver sluggers and was the AL RBI leader once (not in 1994).
BC
(04-30-2024, 06:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not Canseco, McGuire, or Bonds.
Like Gary Carter, this player had a brief stint with the Giants but is most known for his career on another team. He's a five-time all-star, two-time world champion, won two silver sluggers and was the AL RBI leader once (not in 1994).
BC
(04-30-2024, 06:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not Canseco, McGuire, or Bonds.
Like Gary Carter, this player had a brief stint with the Giants but is most known for his career on another team. He's a five-time all-star, two-time world champion, won two silver sluggers and was the AL RBI leader once (not in 1994).
BC
(04-30-2024, 06:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not Canseco, McGuire, or Bonds.
Like Gary Carter, this player had a brief stint with the Giants but is most known for his career on another team. He's a five-time all-star, two-time world champion, won two silver sluggers and was the AL RBI leader once (not in 1994).
BC
(04-30-2024, 06:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not Canseco, McGuire, or Bonds.
Like Gary Carter, this player had a brief stint with the Giants but is most known for his career on another team. He's a five-time all-star, two-time world champion, won two silver sluggers and was the AL RBI leader once (not in 1994).
BC
(04-30-2024, 06:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not Canseco, McGuire, or Bonds.
Like Gary Carter, this player had a brief stint with the Giants but is most known for his career on another team. He's a five-time all-star, two-time world champion, won two silver sluggers and was the AL RBI leader once (not in 1994).
BC
(04-30-2024, 06:43 PM)Giants Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714524341' Wrote: 1714524341[/url]']
Watched the Giants vs. Red Sox tonight. I noticed that the Red Sox had retired a lot of numbers (10). I looked it up, it was about average.
There are 16 original teams in MLB dating from the turn of the last century (Athletics, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Indians/Guardians, Orioles, Phillies, Pirates, Red Sox, Reds, Tigers, Twins, White Sox, Yankees)
Which American League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? Which National League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? The answer is here, if you'd like to look it up: https://www.mlb.com/news/every-mlb-team-...c300753386
Just an odd aside...there were five original Hall of Fame members; Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner. Only one has not had their jersey retired by their team. Which one?
Like some teams, I don’t think the Twins acknowledge the greats from the club prior to its relocation (the A’s are in that group). Therefore, I would guess Walter Johnson.
Note: Like Christy Mathewson, I don’t believe Johnson ever had a number on his jersey. Of course, that didn’t stop SF from honoring Mathewson with a retirement disk.
(04-30-2024, 06:43 PM)Giants Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714524341' Wrote: 1714524341[/url]']
Watched the Giants vs. Red Sox tonight. I noticed that the Red Sox had retired a lot of numbers (10). I looked it up, it was about average.
There are 16 original teams in MLB dating from the turn of the last century (Athletics, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Indians/Guardians, Orioles, Phillies, Pirates, Red Sox, Reds, Tigers, Twins, White Sox, Yankees)
Which American League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? Which National League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? The answer is here, if you'd like to look it up: https://www.mlb.com/news/every-mlb-team-...c300753386
Just an odd aside...there were five original Hall of Fame members; Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner. Only one has not had their jersey retired by their team. Which one?
Like some teams, I don’t think the Twins acknowledge the greats from the club prior to its relocation (the A’s are in that group). Therefore, I would guess Walter Johnson.
Note: Like Christy Mathewson, I don’t believe Johnson ever had a number on his jersey. Of course, that didn’t stop SF from honoring Mathewson with a retirement disk.
(04-30-2024, 07:52 PM)lex24 Wrote:Well done! Nice work as well by Terry to narrow it down a bit, under the assumption he won both WS with the same team (which he did).(04-30-2024, 06:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not Canseco, McGuire, or Bonds.
Like Gary Carter, this player had a brief stint with the Giants but is most known for his career on another team. He's a five-time all-star, two-time world champion, won two silver sluggers and was the AL RBI leader once (not in 1994).
BC
Joe Carter.
(04-30-2024, 07:52 PM)lex24 Wrote:Well done! Nice work as well by Terry to narrow it down a bit, under the assumption he won both WS with the same team (which he did).(04-30-2024, 06:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Not Canseco, McGuire, or Bonds.
Like Gary Carter, this player had a brief stint with the Giants but is most known for his career on another team. He's a five-time all-star, two-time world champion, won two silver sluggers and was the AL RBI leader once (not in 1994).
BC
Joe Carter.
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714533228' Wrote: 1714533228[/url]']
Giants dateline='[url=tel:1714527822' Wrote: 1714527822[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714524341' Wrote: 1714524341[/url]']
Watched the Giants vs. Red Sox tonight. I noticed that the Red Sox had retired a lot of numbers (10). I looked it up, it was about average.
There are 16 original teams in MLB dating from the turn of the last century (Athletics, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Indians/Guardians, Orioles, Phillies, Pirates, Red Sox, Reds, Tigers, Twins, White Sox, Yankees)
Which American League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? Which National League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? The answer is here, if you'd like to look it up: https://www.mlb.com/news/every-mlb-team-...c300753386
Just an odd aside...there were five original Hall of Fame members; Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner. Only one has not had their jersey retired by their team. Which one?
Like some teams, I don’t think the Twins acknowledge the greats from the club prior to its relocation (the A’s are in that group). Therefore, I would guess Walter Johnson.
Note: Like Christy Mathewson, I don’t believe Johnson ever had a number on his jersey. Of course, that didn’t stop SF from honoring Mathewson with a retirement disk.
You're right, it was Walter Johnson. And technically speaking, jersey numbers were introduced in 1929. Johnson wore #28 in 1931 and #25 in 1932.
As for the answer to the "fewest" question...the A's have retired the fewest jersey numbers of all the original clubs, just five (Reggie Jackson, Rickey Henderson, Dennis Eckersley, Catfish Hunter, and Rollie Fingers. Nothing for Lefty Grove, Jimmie Foxx, Eddie Collins or Eddie Plank. Cubs and Orioles have retired 6.
Yankees, by far, have retired the most numbers, 22. Cardinals the most in the NL with 15. Giants have 13.
Most clubs don't venerate their pre-jersey number stars. According to the article, the only clubs that do are the Cardinals (Hornsby), Giants (Mathewson, McGraw), and Phillies (Grover Cleveland Alexander, Chuck Klein)
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714533228' Wrote: 1714533228[/url]']
Giants dateline='[url=tel:1714527822' Wrote: 1714527822[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714524341' Wrote: 1714524341[/url]']
Watched the Giants vs. Red Sox tonight. I noticed that the Red Sox had retired a lot of numbers (10). I looked it up, it was about average.
There are 16 original teams in MLB dating from the turn of the last century (Athletics, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Indians/Guardians, Orioles, Phillies, Pirates, Red Sox, Reds, Tigers, Twins, White Sox, Yankees)
Which American League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? Which National League team has retired the most and fewest numbers? The answer is here, if you'd like to look it up: https://www.mlb.com/news/every-mlb-team-...c300753386
Just an odd aside...there were five original Hall of Fame members; Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner. Only one has not had their jersey retired by their team. Which one?
Like some teams, I don’t think the Twins acknowledge the greats from the club prior to its relocation (the A’s are in that group). Therefore, I would guess Walter Johnson.
Note: Like Christy Mathewson, I don’t believe Johnson ever had a number on his jersey. Of course, that didn’t stop SF from honoring Mathewson with a retirement disk.
You're right, it was Walter Johnson. And technically speaking, jersey numbers were introduced in 1929. Johnson wore #28 in 1931 and #25 in 1932.
As for the answer to the "fewest" question...the A's have retired the fewest jersey numbers of all the original clubs, just five (Reggie Jackson, Rickey Henderson, Dennis Eckersley, Catfish Hunter, and Rollie Fingers. Nothing for Lefty Grove, Jimmie Foxx, Eddie Collins or Eddie Plank. Cubs and Orioles have retired 6.
Yankees, by far, have retired the most numbers, 22. Cardinals the most in the NL with 15. Giants have 13.
Most clubs don't venerate their pre-jersey number stars. According to the article, the only clubs that do are the Cardinals (Hornsby), Giants (Mathewson, McGraw), and Phillies (Grover Cleveland Alexander, Chuck Klein)
(04-30-2024, 09:44 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: I believe Ty Cobb also never had a number to retire. Is he honored with a named disk as the Giants honor Mathewson?
(04-30-2024, 09:44 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: I believe Ty Cobb also never had a number to retire. Is he honored with a named disk as the Giants honor Mathewson?
(04-30-2024, 08:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Less known about Joe Carter is that he also ended the 1992 World Series by taking a throw from reliever Mike Timlin on a bunt, which was the first time the World Series ended on a bunt. Who was the Atlanta Brave whose failed bunt attempt ended the WS?
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(04-30-2024, 08:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Less known about Joe Carter is that he also ended the 1992 World Series by taking a throw from reliever Mike Timlin on a bunt, which was the first time the World Series ended on a bunt. Who was the Atlanta Brave whose failed bunt attempt ended the WS?
BC
(05-01-2024, 05:18 AM)Giants Wrote:(04-30-2024, 09:21 PM)Mick Wrote: Which franchise has been through the most formal name changes? Total was 12.
Dodgers?
(04-30-2024, 09:44 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: I believe Ty Cobb also never had a number to retire. Is he honored with a named disk as the Giants honor Mathewson?
(05-01-2024, 05:18 AM)Giants Wrote:(04-30-2024, 09:21 PM)Mick Wrote: Which franchise has been through the most formal name changes? Total was 12.
Dodgers?
(04-30-2024, 09:44 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: I believe Ty Cobb also never had a number to retire. Is he honored with a named disk as the Giants honor Mathewson?
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714578241' Wrote: 1714578241[/url]']
Giants dateline='[url=tel:1714565898' Wrote: 1714565898[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714537293' Wrote: 1714537293[/url]']
Which franchise has been through the most formal name changes? Total was 12.
Dodgers?
Correct! Here's the history:
Los Angeles Dodgers (1958–present)
Brooklyn Dodgers (1932–1957)
Brooklyn Robins (1914–1931)
Brooklyn Dodgers (1913)
Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers (1911–1912)
Brooklyn Superbas (1899–1910)
Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1896–1898)
Brooklyn Grooms (1891–1895)
Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1888–1890)
Brooklyn Grays (1885–1887)
Brooklyn Atlantics (1884)
Brooklyn Grays (1883)
Leftcoast dateline='[url=tel:1714538692' Wrote: 1714538692[/url]']
I believe Ty Cobb also never had a number to retire. Is he honored with a named disk as the Giants honor Mathewson?
Unclear. The original article didn't list Tigers players as being so honored, while they listed other MLB teams (e.g., Giants) as being so honored:
Every MLB team's retired numbers
However, this article, linked from the above article, claims that the Tigers honor pre-jersey number players like Cobb, Harry Heilmann, Sam Crawford, Mickey Cochrane, Hughie Jennings and Heinie Manush. I've been to Comerica ballpark and I've seen various exhibits listing their exploits, but I don't recall seeing it on the wall like the other players...but I didn't pay attention, tbh.
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714578241' Wrote: 1714578241[/url]']
Giants dateline='[url=tel:1714565898' Wrote: 1714565898[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1714537293' Wrote: 1714537293[/url]']
Which franchise has been through the most formal name changes? Total was 12.
Dodgers?
Correct! Here's the history:
Los Angeles Dodgers (1958–present)
Brooklyn Dodgers (1932–1957)
Brooklyn Robins (1914–1931)
Brooklyn Dodgers (1913)
Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers (1911–1912)
Brooklyn Superbas (1899–1910)
Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1896–1898)
Brooklyn Grooms (1891–1895)
Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1888–1890)
Brooklyn Grays (1885–1887)
Brooklyn Atlantics (1884)
Brooklyn Grays (1883)
Leftcoast dateline='[url=tel:1714538692' Wrote: 1714538692[/url]']
I believe Ty Cobb also never had a number to retire. Is he honored with a named disk as the Giants honor Mathewson?
Unclear. The original article didn't list Tigers players as being so honored, while they listed other MLB teams (e.g., Giants) as being so honored:
Every MLB team's retired numbers
However, this article, linked from the above article, claims that the Tigers honor pre-jersey number players like Cobb, Harry Heilmann, Sam Crawford, Mickey Cochrane, Hughie Jennings and Heinie Manush. I've been to Comerica ballpark and I've seen various exhibits listing their exploits, but I don't recall seeing it on the wall like the other players...but I didn't pay attention, tbh.