[oldalum]

  whining when things don't go our way. It's a bad format, a bad draw, the refs, the schedule, the travel, etc. etc. 

That's not whining, them's the facts!  How else can one explain what is clearly the best team not winning??
(or at very least, they're alternative facts)

[oldalum]

  whining when things don't go our way. It's a bad format, a bad draw, the refs, the schedule, the travel, etc. etc. 

That's not whining, them's the facts!  How else can one explain what is clearly the best team not winning??
(or at very least, they're alternative facts)

[BillBradley]

  whining when things don't go our way. It's a bad format, a bad draw, the refs, the schedule, the travel, etc. etc. 

That's not whining, them's the facts!  How else can one explain what is clearly the best team not winning??
(or at very least, they're alternative facts)

Good point. I completely forgot how our '83 mens hoops team led by Keith Jones and Jon Revelli got totally jobbed by the refs at Maples against UNC with Jordan, Perkins, and Kenny Smith. We lost by 13, and the bad calls were the only explanation of how that one ended.

[BillBradley]

  whining when things don't go our way. It's a bad format, a bad draw, the refs, the schedule, the travel, etc. etc. 

That's not whining, them's the facts!  How else can one explain what is clearly the best team not winning??
(or at very least, they're alternative facts)

Good point. I completely forgot how our '83 mens hoops team led by Keith Jones and Jon Revelli got totally jobbed by the refs at Maples against UNC with Jordan, Perkins, and Kenny Smith. We lost by 13, and the bad calls were the only explanation of how that one ended.

[GK3]

I disagree with the argument that match play is somehow not a legit determination of the national champ. Match play in golf has been around forever. I'd agree if it was some reduced event, like playing 3 holes or something like that. But each of these players had up to 18 holes to get it done. Stanford just didn't play well enough, and they know it. Nothing unfair/happinstance about it. If they play 10 times, Stanford probably wins 9. It was a big upset - that's what happens when you don't play well enough.

I also have to say - been around this board for quite some time. There is (IMO) a lot of after the fact whining when things don't go our way. It's a bad format, a bad draw, the refs, the schedule, the travel, etc. etc. Really all that happened here is that we got beat, fair and square.

Boy, it's hard to make a joke around here without people getting really upset... or making inaccurate assumptions that folks are whining, etc.

Of course we got beat fair and square.  Indeed, this was foreshadowed when we got beat in the ACC tournament match play.  And, obviously, Northwestern was no Harvard women's basketball team; they have some very good players.  I hope this outcome helps our team develop that killer instinct necessary to make match play less of a crap shoot next deason. 

Still, when you have a championship set-up where the best team over four rounds of team golf [sometimes best by a very wide margin] ends up NOT being the champion many more times than it IS the champion due to the fact that the champion is determined by three rounds of an entirely different format than is played for the remaining ~80% the season's competitions, it strikes me as a legitimate object of criticism.  

If the champion is going to be determined by match play, fine.  Make the WHOLE tournament match play.  Or maybe do four-ball...or alternate shot.  They're all long-recognized forms of golf competition.  And make the entire golf season match play.  [SPOILER ALERT:  Those are all joke suggestions; no need to point out that doing so would be a logistical nightmare...]

The match play format was introduced primarily [if not entirely] for the benefit of television coverage.  Sigh... Everything TV touches...

Also, if you don't like my free throw shooting contest analogy, I'm not a big fan of soccer championships being decided by penalty kicks, either, but realize that, without using something like that, some soccer matches might never end.  That's not true for golf.

Every sport has to have a way to decide close games.  Football gets us overtime, as does Basketball, Baseball and Softball continues on until one team wins. Soccer has penalty kicks, NCAA golf has Match Play.  Most sports do not have two riveting formats, but Golf does. I would believe that most serious golfers who have played both formats would tell you that the pressure and approach to the two formats are much different.  Match play being the format with the most pressure.  So if you want to determine who is best, play both formats and winner wins. Here is an interesting take on the best Match Play golfers of all time:

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+was+...e&ie=UTF-8

From my limited view point

[GK3]

I disagree with the argument that match play is somehow not a legit determination of the national champ. Match play in golf has been around forever. I'd agree if it was some reduced event, like playing 3 holes or something like that. But each of these players had up to 18 holes to get it done. Stanford just didn't play well enough, and they know it. Nothing unfair/happinstance about it. If they play 10 times, Stanford probably wins 9. It was a big upset - that's what happens when you don't play well enough.

I also have to say - been around this board for quite some time. There is (IMO) a lot of after the fact whining when things don't go our way. It's a bad format, a bad draw, the refs, the schedule, the travel, etc. etc. Really all that happened here is that we got beat, fair and square.

Boy, it's hard to make a joke around here without people getting really upset... or making inaccurate assumptions that folks are whining, etc.

Of course we got beat fair and square.  Indeed, this was foreshadowed when we got beat in the ACC tournament match play.  And, obviously, Northwestern was no Harvard women's basketball team; they have some very good players.  I hope this outcome helps our team develop that killer instinct necessary to make match play less of a crap shoot next deason. 

Still, when you have a championship set-up where the best team over four rounds of team golf [sometimes best by a very wide margin] ends up NOT being the champion many more times than it IS the champion due to the fact that the champion is determined by three rounds of an entirely different format than is played for the remaining ~80% the season's competitions, it strikes me as a legitimate object of criticism.  

If the champion is going to be determined by match play, fine.  Make the WHOLE tournament match play.  Or maybe do four-ball...or alternate shot.  They're all long-recognized forms of golf competition.  And make the entire golf season match play.  [SPOILER ALERT:  Those are all joke suggestions; no need to point out that doing so would be a logistical nightmare...]

The match play format was introduced primarily [if not entirely] for the benefit of television coverage.  Sigh... Everything TV touches...

Also, if you don't like my free throw shooting contest analogy, I'm not a big fan of soccer championships being decided by penalty kicks, either, but realize that, without using something like that, some soccer matches might never end.  That's not true for golf.

Every sport has to have a way to decide close games.  Football gets us overtime, as does Basketball, Baseball and Softball continues on until one team wins. Soccer has penalty kicks, NCAA golf has Match Play.  Most sports do not have two riveting formats, but Golf does. I would believe that most serious golfers who have played both formats would tell you that the pressure and approach to the two formats are much different.  Match play being the format with the most pressure.  So if you want to determine who is best, play both formats and winner wins. Here is an interesting take on the best Match Play golfers of all time:

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+was+...e&ie=UTF-8

From my limited view point

[martyup]

Every sport has to have a way to decide close games.  

After 4 rounds of stroke play, it wasn't close.  Stanford blew away the other teams.

[martyup]

Every sport has to have a way to decide close games.  

After 4 rounds of stroke play, it wasn't close.  Stanford blew away the other teams.

[paloalto]

I disagree with the argument that match play is somehow not a legit determination of the national champ. Match play in golf has been around forever. I'd agree if it was some reduced event, like playing 3 holes or something like that. But each of these players had up to 18 holes to get it done. Stanford just didn't play well enough, and they know it. Nothing unfair/happinstance about it. If they play 10 times, Stanford probably wins 9. It was a big upset - that's what happens when you don't play well enough.

I also have to say - been around this board for quite some time. There is (IMO) a lot of after the fact whining when things don't go our way. It's a bad format, a bad draw, the refs, the schedule, the travel, etc. etc. Really all that happened here is that we got beat, fair and square.

Boy, it's hard to make a joke around here without people getting really upset... 

Good strategy.  When you realize you've made a particularly weak point, say it was a joke.

[paloalto]

I disagree with the argument that match play is somehow not a legit determination of the national champ. Match play in golf has been around forever. I'd agree if it was some reduced event, like playing 3 holes or something like that. But each of these players had up to 18 holes to get it done. Stanford just didn't play well enough, and they know it. Nothing unfair/happinstance about it. If they play 10 times, Stanford probably wins 9. It was a big upset - that's what happens when you don't play well enough.

I also have to say - been around this board for quite some time. There is (IMO) a lot of after the fact whining when things don't go our way. It's a bad format, a bad draw, the refs, the schedule, the travel, etc. etc. Really all that happened here is that we got beat, fair and square.

Boy, it's hard to make a joke around here without people getting really upset... 

Good strategy.  When you realize you've made a particularly weak point, say it was a joke.

[Hulk01]

If we do lose someone we do have depth on this year’s roster.  Here are the two incoming Frosh

https://gostanford.com/news/2024/11/14/t...igning-day

Neither girl will ever play; both must be walkons.  Kaila ranked 1,186th in the world. Song 1069th.

[Hulk01]

If we do lose someone we do have depth on this year’s roster.  Here are the two incoming Frosh

https://gostanford.com/news/2024/11/14/t...igning-day

Neither girl will ever play; both must be walkons.  Kaila ranked 1,186th in the world. Song 1069th.

[BobK]

Darn. But thanks Hulk

[BobK]

Darn. But thanks Hulk

[GK3]

Darn. But thanks Hulk

The walk on status seems likely.  I can't believe we couldn't have found a better player or two if we were offering scholarships, but strange things happen. There is also the strength of our lineup.  Anyone coming in on scholarship would probably want a chance to play, but cracking the top 5 next year will be very hard. We could also cache a player or two at some other school and portal them in down the line, such an approach is most likely very unethical but I am sure there are places that would think like that. The new system makes all kinds of nefarious approaches seem rational.

[GK3]

Darn. But thanks Hulk

The walk on status seems likely.  I can't believe we couldn't have found a better player or two if we were offering scholarships, but strange things happen. There is also the strength of our lineup.  Anyone coming in on scholarship would probably want a chance to play, but cracking the top 5 next year will be very hard. We could also cache a player or two at some other school and portal them in down the line, such an approach is most likely very unethical but I am sure there are places that would think like that. The new system makes all kinds of nefarious approaches seem rational.

[Hulk01]

Darn. But thanks Hulk

The walk on status seems likely.  I can't believe we couldn't have found a better player or two if we were offering scholarships, but strange things happen. There is also the strength of our lineup.  Anyone coming in on scholarship would probably want a chance to play, but cracking the top 5 next year will be very hard. We could also cache a player or two at some other school and portal them in down the line, such an approach is most likely very unethical but I am sure there are places that would think like that. The new system makes all kinds of nefarious approaches seem rational.

Women's golf can carry 6.5 scholarships.  With Sturdza's graduation, we have seven elite-level players in. this fall's class--the five current starters plus Sundberg and Chien.  

And Nikki Oh and Jude Lee, the second and third highest ranked American players in the 2026 entering class, arrive next fall--essentially replaciing Ganne and Xu.

Coach Walker appears to favor large teams.  The 2021 team, a vivid example, comprised ten players. Only seven ever played, one of them, Calista Reyes, a Rolex Junior All American.

[Hulk01]

Darn. But thanks Hulk

The walk on status seems likely.  I can't believe we couldn't have found a better player or two if we were offering scholarships, but strange things happen. There is also the strength of our lineup.  Anyone coming in on scholarship would probably want a chance to play, but cracking the top 5 next year will be very hard. We could also cache a player or two at some other school and portal them in down the line, such an approach is most likely very unethical but I am sure there are places that would think like that. The new system makes all kinds of nefarious approaches seem rational.

Women's golf can carry 6.5 scholarships.  With Sturdza's graduation, we have seven elite-level players in. this fall's class--the five current starters plus Sundberg and Chien.  

And Nikki Oh and Jude Lee, the second and third highest ranked American players in the 2026 entering class, arrive next fall--essentially replaciing Ganne and Xu.

Coach Walker appears to favor large teams.  The 2021 team, a vivid example, comprised ten players. Only seven ever played, one of them, Calista Reyes, a Rolex Junior All American.

[Hulk01]

New World Golf Rankings
(Previous ranking/summer 2024 ranking in parenthesis)

Andrea Revuelta 5 (4, 11)
Paula Martin 11 (14, 13)
Mega Ganne 13 ( 12, 34)
Meja Ortengren 14 (15, 20)
Kelly Xu 26 (29, 52)
Nora Sundberg 58 (59, 38)

Nikki Oh (fall ’26) 76 (77/ ?)
Leigh Chien 179 (180, 160)
Jude Lee (fall ’26) 222 (240/?)

Possible targets:
Asterisk Talley (fall ’27)  16
Aphrodite Deng (fall ’28) 35

[Hulk01]

New World Golf Rankings
(Previous ranking/summer 2024 ranking in parenthesis)

Andrea Revuelta 5 (4, 11)
Paula Martin 11 (14, 13)
Mega Ganne 13 ( 12, 34)
Meja Ortengren 14 (15, 20)
Kelly Xu 26 (29, 52)
Nora Sundberg 58 (59, 38)

Nikki Oh (fall ’26) 76 (77/ ?)
Leigh Chien 179 (180, 160)
Jude Lee (fall ’26) 222 (240/?)

Possible targets:
Asterisk Talley (fall ’27)  16
Aphrodite Deng (fall ’28) 35

[Hulk01]

First round of the US Open in:

At even par, Jude Lee (entering next fall) and Paula Sampedro are T-34th overall and tied (behind -1 Asterisk Talley) for second among amateurs.

Andrea Lee (-1, T 19), Aline Krauter (+1, T 60), Albane Valenzuela (+2, 78) and Roze Zhang (+4, T 105) also are competing.

Still recovering from a neck injury, Zhang came in pegging herself at "around 70 per cent."

[Hulk01]

First round of the US Open in:

At even par, Jude Lee (entering next fall) and Paula Sampedro are T-34th overall and tied (behind -1 Asterisk Talley) for second among amateurs.

Andrea Lee (-1, T 19), Aline Krauter (+1, T 60), Albane Valenzuela (+2, 78) and Roze Zhang (+4, T 105) also are competing.

Still recovering from a neck injury, Zhang came in pegging herself at "around 70 per cent."

[Spike]

Anyone have a link to the players’ scores?

[Spike]

Anyone have a link to the players’ scores?

[Spiny_Norman]

Anyone have a link to the players’ scores?

https://www.uswomensopen.com/2025/scoring.html

[Spiny_Norman]

Anyone have a link to the players’ scores?

https://www.uswomensopen.com/2025/scoring.html

[Hulk01]

One sign of how exceptional this year's team was:

Best Stanford season scoring averages of all time
Black indicates current team member
Bold indicates current season

Zhang, '22-23           68.88

Zhang, '21-22           69.68

Heck, 2021                69.72

Ortengen, 24-25  70.11

Martin, 24-25      70.36

Martin, 23-24           70.50

Ganne, 23-24            70.64

Revuelta, 24-25    70.73 

Ganne, 24-25       70.96

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Another indicator of this team's extraordinary quality:

2025-2066 Preseason College Top 20 (world rank following)

Based on Clippd end of 2025 college season rankings

Lottie Woad, Florida State (1)

Rianne Malixi, Duke (5)

Kiara Romero, Oregon (2)

Meja Ortengren, Stanford (14)

Andrea Revuelta,  Stanford (4)

Paula Martin Sampedro, Stanford (9)

Jasmine Koo, USC (10)

Elia Galitsky, South Carolina (15)

Megha Ganne, Stanford (13)

Lauren Kim, Texas (21)

Farah O’Keefe, Texas (8)

Catherine Park, USC (7)

Carla Bernat, Kansas State (20)

Kary Hollenbaugh, Ohio State (22)

Kelly Xu, Stanford (26)

Suvichayah Vinijchaitham, Oregon (23)

Patience Rhodes, Arizona State (29)

Rocio Tejedo, LSU (31)

Anna Davis, Auburn (17)

Marie Madsen, NC State (51)

[Hulk01]

One sign of how exceptional this year's team was:

Best Stanford season scoring averages of all time
Black indicates current team member
Bold indicates current season

Zhang, '22-23           68.88

Zhang, '21-22           69.68

Heck, 2021                69.72

Ortengen, 24-25  70.11

Martin, 24-25      70.36

Martin, 23-24           70.50

Ganne, 23-24            70.64

Revuelta, 24-25    70.73 

Ganne, 24-25       70.96

---

Another indicator of this team's extraordinary quality:

2025-2066 Preseason College Top 20 (world rank following)

Based on Clippd end of 2025 college season rankings

Lottie Woad, Florida State (1)

Rianne Malixi, Duke (5)

Kiara Romero, Oregon (2)

Meja Ortengren, Stanford (14)

Andrea Revuelta,  Stanford (4)

Paula Martin Sampedro, Stanford (9)

Jasmine Koo, USC (10)

Elia Galitsky, South Carolina (15)

Megha Ganne, Stanford (13)

Lauren Kim, Texas (21)

Farah O’Keefe, Texas (8)

Catherine Park, USC (7)

Carla Bernat, Kansas State (20)

Kary Hollenbaugh, Ohio State (22)

Kelly Xu, Stanford (26)

Suvichayah Vinijchaitham, Oregon (23)

Patience Rhodes, Arizona State (29)

Rocio Tejedo, LSU (31)

Anna Davis, Auburn (17)

Marie Madsen, NC State (51)

[mbdude]

aline krauter, 2022, finished 5th at the Shop rite Classic

[mbdude]

aline krauter, 2022, finished 5th at the Shop rite Classic

[Hulk01]

Paula Martin Sampedro just won the British Women's Amateur by winning 2 and 1 over World #8 Farah O'Keefe of U Texas.

Paula had nine birdies and just one bogey over the 35 holes.

This will move Paula up to #9 in the world.  And slide Megha Ganne back a spot to #11.

[Hulk01]

Paula Martin Sampedro just won the British Women's Amateur by winning 2 and 1 over World #8 Farah O'Keefe of U Texas.

Paula had nine birdies and just one bogey over the 35 holes.

This will move Paula up to #9 in the world.  And slide Megha Ganne back a spot to #11.

[mbdude]

Englemann Notches First Professional Win at Destination Grapevine Texas Women’s Open

more info about tour at www.wapt.golf

[mbdude]

Englemann Notches First Professional Win at Destination Grapevine Texas Women’s Open

more info about tour at www.wapt.golf

[OCcardinal]

If we do lose someone we do have depth on this year’s roster.  Here are the two incoming Frosh

https://gostanford.com/news/2024/11/14/t...igning-day

Neither girl will ever play; both must be walkons.  Kaila ranked 1,186th in the world. Song 1069th.

Took a bit of a pause with the 2025 Class (presumably to ensure all these top young golfers some playing time), but according to this site, Stanford Women's Golf has commitments from 2 of the top 4 ranked golfers in the Class of 2026:  Class of 2026 Girls Individual Rankings

[OCcardinal]

If we do lose someone we do have depth on this year’s roster.  Here are the two incoming Frosh

https://gostanford.com/news/2024/11/14/t...igning-day

Neither girl will ever play; both must be walkons.  Kaila ranked 1,186th in the world. Song 1069th.

Took a bit of a pause with the 2025 Class (presumably to ensure all these top young golfers some playing time), but according to this site, Stanford Women's Golf has commitments from 2 of the top 4 ranked golfers in the Class of 2026:  Class of 2026 Girls Individual Rankings

[Hulk01]

New World Rankings
(May 25 ranking in parenthesis)

Andrea Revuelta  4 (5)
Paula Martin  7 (11)
Megha Ganne  10 (13)
Meja Ortengren  13 (14)
Kelly Xu  23 (26)
Nora Sundberg  61 (58)
Leigh Chien 196 (179)

Nikki Oh (fall ’26) 80 (76)
Jude Lee (fall ’26) 164 (222)

For sake of comparison, 
Oregon is likely to be ranked #2 entering this fall.
Their top five players rank 3, 22, 52, 183, and 268 respectively.

[Hulk01]

New World Rankings
(May 25 ranking in parenthesis)

Andrea Revuelta  4 (5)
Paula Martin  7 (11)
Megha Ganne  10 (13)
Meja Ortengren  13 (14)
Kelly Xu  23 (26)
Nora Sundberg  61 (58)
Leigh Chien 196 (179)

Nikki Oh (fall ’26) 80 (76)
Jude Lee (fall ’26) 164 (222)

For sake of comparison, 
Oregon is likely to be ranked #2 entering this fall.
Their top five players rank 3, 22, 52, 183, and 268 respectively.

[martyup]

Oregon is likely to be ranked #2 entering this fall.
Their top five players rank 3, 22, 52, 183, and 268 respectively.

Doesn't matter how high we are ranked or how great our team plays all season.  Match play for the NC will allow any team to win. </rant>

[martyup]

Oregon is likely to be ranked #2 entering this fall.
Their top five players rank 3, 22, 52, 183, and 268 respectively.

Doesn't matter how high we are ranked or how great our team plays all season.  Match play for the NC will allow any team to win. </rant>