09-25-2024, 07:20 PM
Quote:USC tackle Bear Alexander is redshirting after dispute over playing time
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story...o-transfer
Eric
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Quote:USC tackle Bear Alexander is redshirting after dispute over playing time
Quote:USC tackle Bear Alexander is redshirting after dispute over playing time
(09-25-2024, 07:20 PM)82lsju Wrote:Quote:USC tackle Bear Alexander is redshirting after dispute over playing time
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story...o-transfer
(09-25-2024, 07:20 PM)82lsju Wrote:Quote:USC tackle Bear Alexander is redshirting after dispute over playing time
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story...o-transfer
(09-25-2024, 02:21 PM)triangle2 Wrote:I'm similar. Love the high school sports scene and I still coach. I haven't paid to see live professional sports in years. But I do still watch at home, and I'm not really that caught up in the "principle of it all" when it comes to the money for the college athletes. It's just my opinion that the college players needed to be compensated above their scholarship, so here we are and I'm good with it. When stories like the UNLV QB come out, I view it as 2 steps forward, 1 step back.(09-25-2024, 02:01 PM)pefloresjr Wrote: Sure. But they haven't really changed the structure of the teams being part of a university with other, broader goals. If they were all just pro leagues of different levels, the pure "get all you can get" model makes sense. But very few people attend semi-pro sporting events. For me and my affiliation with Stanford, I don't really want to have pro teams that use Stanford as their marketing hook while having little to do with Stanford. The pure capitalistic model really has no need for the athletes to attend school at all. I still follow Stanford sports and have season tickets to three sports. However, I am likely to drop that participation as the model shifts to the pure capitalist, non-student structure. I will then just spend my money on the actual pros like the Giants, Niners, and Warriors.
Cheers,
Pete F.
Oddly enough, I’ve gone the other direction. I’ve had a decade of following our kids on their sports teams - mostly soccer, but some baseball, basketball, and swimming. Currently, we’re fans for travel soccer and I’ve found this more engaging (despite the usual complaints about coaches, playing time, refs, etc.) than watching college athletics descend into the septic tank filled with money. I wonder when we’re done with this stage if I’ll just keep showing up for high school basketball and soccer, keep my MLS tickets, and mostly disengage from college sports. Since I’m only one degree of separation from Kate Paye, I’ll follow WBB, at least for a while. Meanwhile, the greed factor for major pro sports (see e.g., John Fisher, Greg Johnson, plus all the distasteful NFL owners) has also caused my interest to wane for the major revenue sports. I want to pay attention to the last years of Steph Curry, and to keep listening to Kuip and Kruk as long as they’re still around, but I don’t know if I’ll still have any pro/college sports tickets 5 years from now.
I find myself wanting to spend as little money as possible supporting the pro sports industrial complex these days.
(09-25-2024, 02:21 PM)triangle2 Wrote:I'm similar. Love the high school sports scene and I still coach. I haven't paid to see live professional sports in years. But I do still watch at home, and I'm not really that caught up in the "principle of it all" when it comes to the money for the college athletes. It's just my opinion that the college players needed to be compensated above their scholarship, so here we are and I'm good with it. When stories like the UNLV QB come out, I view it as 2 steps forward, 1 step back.(09-25-2024, 02:01 PM)pefloresjr Wrote: Sure. But they haven't really changed the structure of the teams being part of a university with other, broader goals. If they were all just pro leagues of different levels, the pure "get all you can get" model makes sense. But very few people attend semi-pro sporting events. For me and my affiliation with Stanford, I don't really want to have pro teams that use Stanford as their marketing hook while having little to do with Stanford. The pure capitalistic model really has no need for the athletes to attend school at all. I still follow Stanford sports and have season tickets to three sports. However, I am likely to drop that participation as the model shifts to the pure capitalist, non-student structure. I will then just spend my money on the actual pros like the Giants, Niners, and Warriors.
Cheers,
Pete F.
Oddly enough, I’ve gone the other direction. I’ve had a decade of following our kids on their sports teams - mostly soccer, but some baseball, basketball, and swimming. Currently, we’re fans for travel soccer and I’ve found this more engaging (despite the usual complaints about coaches, playing time, refs, etc.) than watching college athletics descend into the septic tank filled with money. I wonder when we’re done with this stage if I’ll just keep showing up for high school basketball and soccer, keep my MLS tickets, and mostly disengage from college sports. Since I’m only one degree of separation from Kate Paye, I’ll follow WBB, at least for a while. Meanwhile, the greed factor for major pro sports (see e.g., John Fisher, Greg Johnson, plus all the distasteful NFL owners) has also caused my interest to wane for the major revenue sports. I want to pay attention to the last years of Steph Curry, and to keep listening to Kuip and Kruk as long as they’re still around, but I don’t know if I’ll still have any pro/college sports tickets 5 years from now.
I find myself wanting to spend as little money as possible supporting the pro sports industrial complex these days.
(09-25-2024, 11:33 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Not the first time this has happened:
https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/jade..._permalink (Should be in front of the paywall)
Quote:In the rapidly evolving landscape of college sports, where athletes can now rake in money off their name, image and likeness but can’t directly be paid to play, Jaden Rashada has emerged as the poster child for everything that could possibly go wrong.
He was a star quarterback lured to a big-time school with the promise of millions of dollars in endorsements. Then the deal fell apart, leaving Rashada with limited options and no money in his pocket.
Now, following a rocky two years during which he missed out on the possibility of a life-changing fortune, Rashada is lifting the veil on the seedy underbelly of recruiting in the NIL era.
On Tuesday, Rashada sued the University of Florida’s head football coach, an administrator and a top donor in federal court, alleging they fraudulently induced him to abandon a lucrative offer from another program to sign with the Gators instead.
Looks like when the NIL deal fell through, he went to ASU, where he played in three games but got injured. He then transferred to Georgia, but it looks like he is fourth on the depth chart.
Someone can explain why this is good for student athletes.
BC
(09-25-2024, 11:33 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Not the first time this has happened:
https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/jade..._permalink (Should be in front of the paywall)
Quote:In the rapidly evolving landscape of college sports, where athletes can now rake in money off their name, image and likeness but can’t directly be paid to play, Jaden Rashada has emerged as the poster child for everything that could possibly go wrong.
He was a star quarterback lured to a big-time school with the promise of millions of dollars in endorsements. Then the deal fell apart, leaving Rashada with limited options and no money in his pocket.
Now, following a rocky two years during which he missed out on the possibility of a life-changing fortune, Rashada is lifting the veil on the seedy underbelly of recruiting in the NIL era.
On Tuesday, Rashada sued the University of Florida’s head football coach, an administrator and a top donor in federal court, alleging they fraudulently induced him to abandon a lucrative offer from another program to sign with the Gators instead.
Looks like when the NIL deal fell through, he went to ASU, where he played in three games but got injured. He then transferred to Georgia, but it looks like he is fourth on the depth chart.
Someone can explain why this is good for student athletes.
BC
(09-26-2024, 11:50 AM)needle Wrote: Probably needs to be said: Legalized sports betting has caused enough harm to society that, in my opinion, it's time to question the ethics of supporting pro teams whose parent leagues (e.g. NFL and NBA) are in bed with the big gaming sites.
https://www.nba.com/news/draftkings-fand...g-partners
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-t...g-partners
Quote:A growing body of social-science literature suggests that, yes, this is in fact quite different. The rise of sports gambling has caused a wave of financial and familial misery, one that falls disproportionately on the most economically precarious households. Six years into the experiment, the evidence is convincing: Legalizing sports gambling was a brobdingnagian mistake.
Quote:Following a 2018 ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court, 38 states have legalized sports gambling. We study how this policy has impacted consumer financial health using the state-by-state rollout of legal sports gambling and a large and comprehensive dataset on consumer financial outcomes. Our main finding is that overall, consumers' financial health is modestly deteriorating as the average credit score in states that legalize sports gambling decreases by roughly 0.3%. The decline in credit score is associated with changes in indicators of excessive debt. We find a substantial increase in bankruptcy rates, debt collections, debt consolidation loans, and auto loan delinquencies. We also find that financial institutions respond to the reduced creditworthiness of consumers by restricting access to credit. These results are stronger for states that allow sports gambling online compared to states that restrict access to in-person betting and larger for young men in low-income counties. Together, these results indicate that the ease of access to sports gambling is harming consumer financial health by increasing their level of debt.
Quote:We estimate the causal effect of online sports betting on households' investment, spending, and debt management decisions. Employing household-level transaction data and a staggered difference-in-differences framework, we find sharp increases in sports betting following legalization. This increase does not displace other gambling activity or consumption but significantly reduces households' savings allocations, as negative expected value risky bets crowd out positive expected value investments. These effects concentrate among financially constrained households, who become further constrained as credit card debt increases, available credit decreases, and overdraft frequency rises. Our findings highlight the potential adverse effects of online sports betting on vulnerable households.
(09-26-2024, 11:50 AM)needle Wrote: Probably needs to be said: Legalized sports betting has caused enough harm to society that, in my opinion, it's time to question the ethics of supporting pro teams whose parent leagues (e.g. NFL and NBA) are in bed with the big gaming sites.
https://www.nba.com/news/draftkings-fand...g-partners
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-t...g-partners
Quote:A growing body of social-science literature suggests that, yes, this is in fact quite different. The rise of sports gambling has caused a wave of financial and familial misery, one that falls disproportionately on the most economically precarious households. Six years into the experiment, the evidence is convincing: Legalizing sports gambling was a brobdingnagian mistake.
Quote:Following a 2018 ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court, 38 states have legalized sports gambling. We study how this policy has impacted consumer financial health using the state-by-state rollout of legal sports gambling and a large and comprehensive dataset on consumer financial outcomes. Our main finding is that overall, consumers' financial health is modestly deteriorating as the average credit score in states that legalize sports gambling decreases by roughly 0.3%. The decline in credit score is associated with changes in indicators of excessive debt. We find a substantial increase in bankruptcy rates, debt collections, debt consolidation loans, and auto loan delinquencies. We also find that financial institutions respond to the reduced creditworthiness of consumers by restricting access to credit. These results are stronger for states that allow sports gambling online compared to states that restrict access to in-person betting and larger for young men in low-income counties. Together, these results indicate that the ease of access to sports gambling is harming consumer financial health by increasing their level of debt.
Quote:We estimate the causal effect of online sports betting on households' investment, spending, and debt management decisions. Employing household-level transaction data and a staggered difference-in-differences framework, we find sharp increases in sports betting following legalization. This increase does not displace other gambling activity or consumption but significantly reduces households' savings allocations, as negative expected value risky bets crowd out positive expected value investments. These effects concentrate among financially constrained households, who become further constrained as credit card debt increases, available credit decreases, and overdraft frequency rises. Our findings highlight the potential adverse effects of online sports betting on vulnerable households.
(09-26-2024, 09:35 PM)M T Wrote:(09-26-2024, 05:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: expect to see a very corrosive collegiate sports gambling scandal any day now.Well beyond the Notre Dame men’s swim team
(09-26-2024, 09:35 PM)M T Wrote:(09-26-2024, 05:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: expect to see a very corrosive collegiate sports gambling scandal any day now.Well beyond the Notre Dame men’s swim team
(09-26-2024, 10:37 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-26-2024, 09:35 PM)M T Wrote:(09-26-2024, 05:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: expect to see a very corrosive collegiate sports gambling scandal any day now.Well beyond the Notre Dame men’s swim team
And the baseball coach at Alabama(?). I thought of this when I posted, that there have already been scandals, but I am talking about a foundation-shaking scandal, like a major point shaving scandal involving big name players on major (SEC and Big Ten football) teams and major criminal elements. The ingredients are all there: poorly regulated NIL payments, legalized gambling on college campuses about college sports… it’s just a matter of time.
BC
(09-26-2024, 10:37 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-26-2024, 09:35 PM)M T Wrote:(09-26-2024, 05:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: expect to see a very corrosive collegiate sports gambling scandal any day now.Well beyond the Notre Dame men’s swim team
And the baseball coach at Alabama(?). I thought of this when I posted, that there have already been scandals, but I am talking about a foundation-shaking scandal, like a major point shaving scandal involving big name players on major (SEC and Big Ten football) teams and major criminal elements. The ingredients are all there: poorly regulated NIL payments, legalized gambling on college campuses about college sports… it’s just a matter of time.
BC
(09-26-2024, 11:50 AM)needle Wrote: Probably needs to be said: Legalized sports betting has caused enough harm to society that, in my opinion, it's time to question the ethics of supporting pro teams whose parent leagues (e.g. NFL and NBA) are in bed with the big gaming sites.
https://www.nba.com/news/draftkings-fand...g-partners
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-t...g-partners
(09-26-2024, 11:50 AM)needle Wrote: Probably needs to be said: Legalized sports betting has caused enough harm to society that, in my opinion, it's time to question the ethics of supporting pro teams whose parent leagues (e.g. NFL and NBA) are in bed with the big gaming sites.
https://www.nba.com/news/draftkings-fand...g-partners
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-t...g-partners
(09-25-2024, 05:22 PM)82lsju Wrote:(09-25-2024, 04:58 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote: It sounds like Sluka did nothing wrong other than being naive and not getting it in writing. It's a big leap to assume that he went to UNLV in bad faith and always thought he could redshirt if the money didn't come through.
UNLV and its boosters are a hot mess. They are getting what they deserve.
Notably, Clay Patterson was set to go to UNLV in the off-season. Then he very wisely bailed and came to Stanford.
he appears to have gone there for the spring term and then decided to transfer again
https://www.on3.com/news/former-yale-sta...rtal-unlv/
Quote:Patterson, who played four seasons at Yale, was a three-time all-Ivy selection and is tied for second all-time in Yale football history for sacks at 22.5. But Patterson’s road to Stanford was not as straightforward as some others. After committing to Illinois back in December, Patterson backed off his commitment to the Fighting Illini and instead opted to play in Las Vegas at UNLV. But the 6-foot-3 player decided to change his mind twice, making the trek up to California to play for Stanford in his last year of eligibility.
“I just thought it was in my best interest to enter the transfer portal,” Patterson said. “Stanford happened to be an option and it was an easy choice from there.”
(09-25-2024, 05:22 PM)82lsju Wrote:(09-25-2024, 04:58 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote: It sounds like Sluka did nothing wrong other than being naive and not getting it in writing. It's a big leap to assume that he went to UNLV in bad faith and always thought he could redshirt if the money didn't come through.
UNLV and its boosters are a hot mess. They are getting what they deserve.
Notably, Clay Patterson was set to go to UNLV in the off-season. Then he very wisely bailed and came to Stanford.
he appears to have gone there for the spring term and then decided to transfer again
https://www.on3.com/news/former-yale-sta...rtal-unlv/
Quote:Patterson, who played four seasons at Yale, was a three-time all-Ivy selection and is tied for second all-time in Yale football history for sacks at 22.5. But Patterson’s road to Stanford was not as straightforward as some others. After committing to Illinois back in December, Patterson backed off his commitment to the Fighting Illini and instead opted to play in Las Vegas at UNLV. But the 6-foot-3 player decided to change his mind twice, making the trek up to California to play for Stanford in his last year of eligibility.
“I just thought it was in my best interest to enter the transfer portal,” Patterson said. “Stanford happened to be an option and it was an easy choice from there.”
(09-29-2024, 08:48 AM)lex24 Wrote:(09-26-2024, 11:50 AM)needle Wrote: Probably needs to be said: Legalized sports betting has caused enough harm to society that, in my opinion, it's time to question the ethics of supporting pro teams whose parent leagues (e.g. NFL and NBA) are in bed with the big gaming sites.
https://www.nba.com/news/draftkings-fand...g-partners
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-t...g-partners
People are going to gamble. Whether “sponsored “ or not. This is coming from someone that doesn’t….
(09-29-2024, 08:48 AM)lex24 Wrote:(09-26-2024, 11:50 AM)needle Wrote: Probably needs to be said: Legalized sports betting has caused enough harm to society that, in my opinion, it's time to question the ethics of supporting pro teams whose parent leagues (e.g. NFL and NBA) are in bed with the big gaming sites.
https://www.nba.com/news/draftkings-fand...g-partners
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-t...g-partners
People are going to gamble. Whether “sponsored “ or not. This is coming from someone that doesn’t….
(09-25-2024, 08:29 PM)French Rage Wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lincoln-ril...37911.html(09-25-2024, 07:20 PM)82lsju Wrote:Quote:USC tackle Bear Alexander is redshirting after dispute over playing time
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story...o-transfer
Yeah but deciding to leave an organization you are supposed to be a part of because you feel you aren't getting enough money is actually kinda fitting for USC football.
(09-25-2024, 08:29 PM)French Rage Wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/sports/lincoln-ril...37911.html(09-25-2024, 07:20 PM)82lsju Wrote:Quote:USC tackle Bear Alexander is redshirting after dispute over playing time
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story...o-transfer
Yeah but deciding to leave an organization you are supposed to be a part of because you feel you aren't getting enough money is actually kinda fitting for USC football.
(09-29-2024, 10:37 AM)Goose Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...dden-exit/
It seems pretty clear that UNLV had another QB on the roster that they felt was at least a viable alternative to Slukas. They decided they didn't need to pay Slukas. It is entirely possible they had decided to play Williams over Slukas in any case and at that point Slukas wanted his money. This entire situation does of course stink to high heaven. I wonder what NIL deal Williams has and will it be honored if push comes to shove? UNLV was obviously in a business relationship with these two athletes that had no academic component.
(09-29-2024, 10:37 AM)Goose Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...dden-exit/
It seems pretty clear that UNLV had another QB on the roster that they felt was at least a viable alternative to Slukas. They decided they didn't need to pay Slukas. It is entirely possible they had decided to play Williams over Slukas in any case and at that point Slukas wanted his money. This entire situation does of course stink to high heaven. I wonder what NIL deal Williams has and will it be honored if push comes to shove? UNLV was obviously in a business relationship with these two athletes that had no academic component.