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RE: Jana to Baylor - CompSci87 - 04-26-2022
(04-26-2022, 05:10 PM)chimera Wrote:(04-26-2022, 04:52 PM)paloalto Wrote:(04-26-2022, 04:02 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote: Curious. If the defections of Peat and Jones reflect poorly on Shaw, what about these?
Be careful, this type of comment on a WBB thread may be brutally attacked. IMO neither Jenna or Jana would start at Stanford next season.
Except nobody was attacking anyone or doing anything other than giving their thoughts. I don't know, maybe kinda wait and see if anything is actually attacked before pissing on the board as likely to attack?
I am getting tired of this place. It is not what it used to be. I think I may stop posting. Doubt anyone will miss me. See you all next year, maybe.
We would definitely miss you!
RE: Jana to Baylor - 81alum - 04-26-2022
(04-26-2022, 07:11 PM)2006alum Wrote: Well... I did not see that coming. Stanford to Baylor is about as much of a 180 culturally as you can do - way more so, I think, than even BYU or Notre Dame. Hope she finds what she's looking for...I wonder if with JVG, as with Carrington, if there was a cultural reason behind the move. There are some kinds of students who may feel they fit in better in the Baylor environment than the Stanford one--and it could have nothing to do with basketball or academics. Just one more possibility in our long list of speculations.
RE: Jana to Baylor - winflop - 04-26-2022
(04-26-2022, 04:52 PM)paloalto Wrote:The same could likely be said for Peat & Jones.(04-26-2022, 04:02 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote: Curious. If the defections of Peat and Jones reflect poorly on Shaw, what about these?
IMO neither Jenna or Jana would start at Stanford next season.
RE: Jana to Baylor - 81alum - 04-26-2022
(04-26-2022, 05:10 PM)chimera Wrote:I hear you. I've been worried about this too, and trying to put a finger on it.(04-26-2022, 04:52 PM)paloalto Wrote:(04-26-2022, 04:02 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote: Curious. If the defections of Peat and Jones reflect poorly on Shaw, what about these?
Be careful, this type of comment on a WBB thread may be brutally attacked. IMO neither Jenna or Jana would start at Stanford next season.
Except nobody was attacking anyone or doing anything other than giving their thoughts. I don't know, maybe kinda wait and see if anything is actually attacked before pissing on the board as likely to attack?
I am getting tired of this place. It is not what it used to be. I think I may stop posting. Doubt anyone will miss me. See you all next year, maybe.
Our culture in general has become harsher, and some people--good people--react by asserting themselves and fight fire with fire. Other people--good people--react by seeking out small communities of positive, like-minded individuals to preserve an element of community.
Like you, I am in the second group. In my "real life" I face the ugly reality of many negative trends in the world--a lot of you who think I am a goodie two-shoes from the Cardboard would not believe I am the same person in other walks of life. When I log into the Cardboard I am looking, if I am honest, for some escapism. I want a positive atmosphere and I want to hang out with positive people. Truth be told, I actually hate a lot of college sports which I know from personal experience often corrupt the basic educational mission of many universities--and all for entertainment value. But Stanford in general and Tara Vanderveer in particular are the great exceptions that prove the rule. I can be a fan here because Stanford has attempted to show the nation how college athletics should be done--emphasizing values like academic standards, keeping the corruption of money away from the students, and hiring coaches who embody not only athletic excellence but also serve as role models for ethics, justice, and leadership.
But lately I feel my escapist window is closing. It is as if Sauron won the war and Hobbiton is surrounded by orcs. What are we, on a public board like this, to do? Do we lay out a banquet and try to enjoy our last days in Hobbiton to the fullest? Or do we spend all our time discussing the Orcs--their number, kind, and the many possible ways they might kill us?
RE: Jana to Baylor - M T - 04-26-2022
The Cardboard still has a large core of posters that post reasoned, usually knowledgeable posts, and it would be the board's loss to lose any of them. But there are other posters who post what I will call aggressive posts. I, for one, tend to back away when I see tensions rise as they have in the last year or so. I don't come to the Cardboard to argue vehemently; I came to celebrate great performances and suffer tough losses together.
Two sports seem to have a lot of aggressive posts. I tend to avoid those threads.
There are also two posters whose posts too often raise my anger levels. So, I've chosen to ignore them (User CP > Miscellaneous > Buddy/Ignore List) so I just skip their posts. That isn't to say they don't have good things to say, just that what & how they say it rub me the wrong way.
I expect the recent WBB performances have brought in new posters. They and their viewpoints are welcome to me. I hope they adopt a manner of discussing things without being overly contentious. It may take some training and turning of the other cheek.
I'd like to commend the Cardboard community for a calm (surprisingly to me) discussion about the issue of transgender competitors.
My hat's off to BC for often stepping in, not as a moderator but as a poster, and posting a reasoned post when things got edgy.
RE: Jana to Baylor - 2006alum - 04-27-2022
Re: general tone and tenor of Cardboard discussions of WBB, my sense is that since we became national champ contenders again, we've picked up a lot of bandwagon fans who weren't as interested in following the Orrange/Bird/Karl/McPhee/Smith half-decade of lesser prominence.
And whereas in general I've always liked how the tone of our WBB discussions have been pretty mild mannered, with polite disagreements and occasional pointed criticisms of players/coaches, I think the fans coming from other sports are used to a more rough and rumbling style of fan forum debate. Like most of the longtime WBB fans around here, that speed is definitely not my preference, though I don't mind pushing back hard from time to time.
But I do think for us regulars the atmosphere has paradoxically gotten more pointed and less fun even as we have gotten better and had more to celebrate...
And 81, I totally share your lament, which extends beyond this forum, beyond just WCBB, and to society writ large. These days everything seems be turning into a cash grab that rewards whoever screams loudest. Maybe all the more reason for those of us who prefer a gentler tone to stick around and be the change we want to see. I'm looking at you, Chimera! Stick it out with us! =)
RE: Jana to Baylor - Softball Fan - 04-27-2022
I’ve been attacked on WBB threads for expressing honest opinions having criticism of a player or coaching strategy. It seems like many WBB fans want WBB threads to be all lollipops and rainbows.
IMO there are too many wannabe moderators on WBB threads. I’m not going to be bullied into posting the way other fans want me to post. I won’t bow down to the Cardboard WBB cancel culture. If it gets me banned from Cardboard, so be it.
I’ve been following Stanford WBB since 2007 when there was a player on the roster I’m related to through marriage and I played four years of high school basketball so it’s a sport I enjoy.
RE: Jana to Baylor - Jskass - 04-27-2022
Been reading all these comments and no one is saying that fair criticism isn't okay. I for one don't want this to be like the Boneyard's UConn fans who say Geno is perfect and never makes mistakes; however, some of the more recent posters HERE seem to be extremely argumentative and seeking to create dissension via unfair/unwarranted criticism. No one is perfect but we need to place everything in perspective. This is a well coached team with players who are both very talented and very smart. Our admission standards make it hard to attract some of the top players in the country so we also need to be realistic in our expectations and our comments should also consider that there is a real person with real feelings on the other side. Often they are young adults with great demands on them and going through things we do not know.
That's all for me other than I still don't get why Jana chose Baylor but it is her decision, not mine.
RE: Jana to Baylor - martyup - 04-27-2022
Nothing wrong with this:
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Some prefer this:
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RE: Jana to Baylor - chimera - 04-27-2022
(04-27-2022, 07:11 AM)2006alum Wrote: Re: general tone and tenor of Cardboard discussions of WBB, my sense is that since we became national champ contenders again, we've picked up a lot of bandwagon fans who weren't as interested in following the Orrange/Bird/Karl/McPhee/Smith half-decade of lesser prominence.
And whereas in general I've always liked how the tone of our WBB discussions have been pretty mild mannered, with polite disagreements and occasional pointed criticisms of players/coaches, I think the fans coming from other sports are used to a more rough and rumbling style of fan forum debate. Like most of the longtime WBB fans around here, that speed is definitely not my preference, though I don't mind pushing back hard from time to time.
But I do think for us regulars the atmosphere has paradoxically gotten more pointed and less fun even as we have gotten better and had more to celebrate...
And 81, I totally share your lament, which extends beyond this forum, beyond just WCBB, and to society writ large. These days everything seems be turning into a cash grab that rewards whoever screams loudest. Maybe all the more reason for those of us who prefer a gentler tone to stick around and be the change we want to see. I'm looking at you, Chimera! Stick it out with us! =)
My problem is less those that post somewhat aggressively, though I don't like that style. It is more posters who want to post aggressively or negatively and then complain when they get aggressive responses. If you post some version of Tara sucks or is overrated or player A should be benched, cool, but then don't complain when those who do not agree say so. Preemptively complaining that some post or other will be "attacked" tells me what those posters really want is to be able to say negative things without pushback.
If you say, "Tara botched the subbing in that game IMO. She should have done blah blah instead." you will get opinions, agreeing or not on that specific thing. If you say, "Tara is overrated but you all are too blind to see it." you will get something very different. If you can't stand the blowback, don't post in a manner that guarantees you will get it. And don't whine you were attacked when the blowback arrives. Don't whine when some posters say hey, isn't this board supposed to be better than this when things go sour.
Like many I am tired, tired, tired, tired of these sad, stupid, broken times in the world at large and IMO in WCBB as well with the friggin portal and the NILs. I want to enjoy posting here. There is too much attitude lately, and if my mood is not great it really rubs me the wrong way to the point of considering departure.
RE: Jana to Baylor - M T - 04-27-2022
Chimera, thanks for posting your feelings about the board. Chimera's earlier note seems to have struck a chord.
It is good to take some time and reflect upon where we (this board) are and what we want. Maybe we'll collectively listen to each other and thus smooth out the rough edges.
I wish this board had posting about more sports. I have some knowledge about swimming & water polo, and fan-level interest in WBB and primarily post on those. I'll watch almost any of the Stanford sports, but I'm not one to create posts. I very much appreciate the information about M&W Tennis, M&W Golf, SB, Wrestling, T&F, FB, MBB, etc. There are more sports I know nothing about (Rowing, FH, LAX, Fencing, ...) that, unfortunately, we haven't attracted any fans. I'm sure there are interesting aspects to those that could be shared. But, until there is some board member that posts on them, we won't pay much attention to them.
RE: Jana to Baylor - admin - 04-27-2022
One of my goals for this board has always been to include the Olympic and other so-called non-revenue sports (I'm not convinced that football and men's basketball generate revenue at all schools). When we started the board, I deliberately invited a band member who was passionate about women's basketball. For a while, we had an avid rower. If you know of any ardent and knowledgeable fans of the less promoted sports, please invite them.
RE: Jana to Baylor - BobK - 04-27-2022
Where is Viking Guy? Miss his posts
Please all keep in mind that while you think a poster who is new could simply have changed their handle or while new could also be a long time season ticket holder. I’ve directed a number of people here in the past few years because so many people of knowledge have good things to say. Please let’s not be critical of posters you aren’t familiar with :).
One poster here thinks I’m too nice. In the age of the Internet that’s a wonderful compliment. The truth is I’m so happy to be a Stanford fan. First Stanford event 1952. I’m a lucky guy
RE: Jana to Baylor - BostonCard - 04-27-2022
(04-27-2022, 12:48 PM)BobK Wrote: Where is Viking Guy? Miss his posts
Please all keep in mind that while you think a poster who is new could simply have changed their handle or while new could also be a long time season ticket holder. I’ve directed a number of people here in the past few years because so many people of knowledge have good things to say. Please let’s not be critical of posters you aren’t familiar with :).
One poster here thinks I’m too nice. In the age of the Internet that’s a wonderful compliment. The truth is I’m so happy to be a Stanford fan. First Stanford event 1952. I’m a lucky guy
Bob, we are lucky to have you.
The posts that I enjoy and learn the most about is the ones about the “Sears” sports. I have really enjoyed the insiders or mega-fans who post about women’s tennis, golf (M and W), volleyball (esp W, but also M), baseball, softball, men’s gymnastics, track, etc.
To those who are passionate about those sports, please post! Those of us who might not be as knowledgeable or have all that much to add, but please don’t take relative silence for disinterest.
BC
RE: Jana to Baylor - bl82 - 04-27-2022
(04-27-2022, 02:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(04-27-2022, 12:48 PM)BobK Wrote: Where is Viking Guy? Miss his posts
Please all keep in mind that while you think a poster who is new could simply have changed their handle or while new could also be a long time season ticket holder. I’ve directed a number of people here in the past few years because so many people of knowledge have good things to say. Please let’s not be critical of posters you aren’t familiar with :).
One poster here thinks I’m too nice. In the age of the Internet that’s a wonderful compliment. The truth is I’m so happy to be a Stanford fan. First Stanford event 1952. I’m a lucky guy
Bob, we are lucky to have you.
The posts that I enjoy and learn the most about is the ones about the “Sears” sports. I have really enjoyed the insiders or mega-fans who post about women’s tennis, golf (M and W), volleyball (esp W, but also M), baseball, softball, men’s gymnastics, track, etc.
To those who are passionate about those sports, please post! Those of us who might not be as knowledgeable or have all that much to add, but please don’t take relative silence for disinterest.
BC
BC, you absolutely nailed it
Baez87 - Baez87 - 04-27-2022
I’d like to add my support for a positive and spirited exchange in our WBB postings. I’ve been drawn to the game by some very professional young women who play fair, are committed to team ball, and celebrate one another’s accomplishments. It is with the same spirit that I have participated on the Cardboard.
When I see snarky or offensive exchanges, I feel that the supporters of the team aren’t carrying the same intention and spirit that the players do. Those postings denigrate the game indirectly. On a list serve such as this, participants are not face-to-face. Consequently, a rude or unflattering judgement of another person's words comes easy. There is no accountability when you don’t have to look someone in the eyes and express your point of view. If one is brusque and disrespectful, there is little opportunity to challenge that person.
Plus there is no tonal underlining is a written response, so it’s difficult to be playful or to measure a person's intention. That's why I have enjoyed the two halftime meetings I attended at Maples with fellow Cardboarders. It personalized the connection we have as fans. It would be a sad outcome if someone left this group because they felt bullied or abused by someone else or simply had to read offensive remarks. I hope that we can be guided by civility and respect!
Let our players show the way!
RE: Baez87 - WBB fan - 04-28-2022
(04-27-2022, 11:43 PM)Baez87 Wrote: I’d like to add my support for a positive and spirited exchange in our WBB postings. I’ve been drawn to the game by some very professional young women who play fair, are committed to team ball, and celebrate one another’s accomplishments. It is with the same spirit that I have participated on the Cardboard.
When I see snarky or offensive exchanges, I feel that the supporters of the team aren’t carrying the same intention and spirit that the players do. Those postings denigrate the game indirectly. On a list serve such as this, participants are not face-to-face. Consequently, a rude or unflattering judgement of another person's words comes easy. There is no accountability when you don’t have to look someone in the eyes and express your point of view. If one is brusque and disrespectful, there is little opportunity to challenge that person.
Plus there is no tonal underlining is a written response, so it’s difficult to be playful or to measure a person's intention. That's why I have enjoyed the two halftime meetings I attended. It personalized the connection we have as fans. It would be a sad outcome if someone left this group because they felt bullied or abused by someone else or simply had to read offensive remarks. I hope that we can be guided by civility and respect!
Let our players show the way!
Well said. I've refrained from participating in all this up to now. I hope that I've not been seen as one of the snarky ones (tho I did use that word about myself in one posting a while back). I like the interaction and exchange of understanding of the game and play that I read on this board. That's why I participate. I don't like it when I have any sort of feeling about personal attack or negative exchange, suggestion that one person's opinion is better that another's. Yes, we can have differences of opinion and understanding, but we can also be supportive of the team and each other as we do so. I hope we can all go forward in that spirit. And what a great thought -- let our players show the way. Yes!
RE: Jana to Baylor - TonyLima - 04-28-2022
(04-27-2022, 02:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(04-27-2022, 12:48 PM)BobK Wrote: Where is Viking Guy? Miss his posts
Please all keep in mind that while you think a poster who is new could simply have changed their handle or while new could also be a long time season ticket holder. I’ve directed a number of people here in the past few years because so many people of knowledge have good things to say. Please let’s not be critical of posters you aren’t familiar with :).
One poster here thinks I’m too nice. In the age of the Internet that’s a wonderful compliment. The truth is I’m so happy to be a Stanford fan. First Stanford event 1952. I’m a lucky guy
Bob, we are lucky to have you.
The posts that I enjoy and learn the most about is the ones about the “Sears” sports. I have really enjoyed the insiders or mega-fans who post about women’s tennis, golf (M and W), volleyball (esp W, but also M), baseball, softball, men’s gymnastics, track, etc.
To those who are passionate about those sports, please post! Those of us who might not be as knowledgeable or have all that much to add, but please don’t take relative silence for disinterest.
BC
Agree 100% BC. I’m one of Bob’s lucky invites.
Baez87 - Baez87 - 04-28-2022
This morning the Pac-12 announced the Winter Academic Honor Roll. Stanford was recognized with a conference-best 153 student-athletes, nine of whom were on this years women's basketball team. Five are graduating — Jenna, Lexie, Lacie, Alyssa, and Anna. Three of the women are returning next year — Agnes, Ashten, and Hannah. Jana, who clearly left Stanford in good standing, was also named.
RE: Jana to Baylor - BobK - 04-29-2022
Frosh not part of the honors. So 4 WBB not eligible