WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63

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RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - Card10Fan - 02-18-2022

What a solid road win with many contributors. Our depth continues to impress and it seems everyone just knows their role on this team and does it well; credit to Lexie, Hannah, Anna, Fran, Jana, and Jordan who all stood out to me as having excellent games among others. Cam was hardly on the floor with fouls continuing to plague her. Not the homecoming game she was hoping for. Hopefully Sunday is a better individual performance for her. We had stretches when locked in defensively and offensively where we looked unbeatable. Other times, we looked disengaged and made silly mistakes on both sides of the ball. If we play our game for a full 40 minutes, we can beat anyone.

Is Oregon State an NCAA tourney team? 5-7 in the conference with the mountain schools on the road still. They could finish below .500 in conference which doesn't scream tournament worthy resume to me but who knows. If they make it, they likely bow out in the early rounds.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - 81alum - 02-18-2022

Wow. An impressive win.

We shot 53% against a tough defensive-minded team and 44% from three. That is astounding against a Rueck team. I am reminded of the problems we had defending the old UConn juggernauts--Tara would absolutely take one opposing player's offense out and then the other 4 Hydra heads would strike. So it was with Oregon State. They neutralized Brink but the Belibi/Iriafan replacement combo scored 13 and had 14 rebounds.

Jump is such a threat. So often she starts with a miss or two and then the artillery bracketing sets in and the shells start hitting their mark.

And nice to see Lexie's offense come alive. From all over the floor, from bombs to reverse layups.

Anna Wilson was superb on defense keeping TVO from having a gigantic game, but she broke her multi game record of 0 turnovers--had 3 tonight. But it was nice to see her with 9 points. If she can keep that level of scoring up it will help open up the floor for others.

The third quarter was the turning point. Oregon State closed to within 4--you would never know by the final score how close the game was. It was Iriafan, Jones with a rare three, and then Belibi who got us our separation, assisted in part by Hamilton. The depth and versatility of the team was clear at that point.

Now, on to Eugene for our steepest Pac 12 challenge, given that we did not have to travel to the Arizona schools.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - martyup - 02-18-2022

It's been fun watching all 25 games our team has played. I haven't missed one. I really love this team and I'm working on preparing myself for them to get beat in the NCAA tourney. I really hope all of my mental preparation for that moment is a waste of time because they win it all again.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - qwerty49 - 02-18-2022

I almost felt like we slipped into a parallel universe a couple of minutes in, when Brink, Lacie and Haley all got whistled (by Missy?) and Tara had to go to the bench quickly. Then we stalled at 4pts for almost the rest of Q1.

What a great game by Fran, and wow I am just a forever member of the Anna Wilson fan club. What a warrior she is!

Let's enjoy Anna and the Hulls while we can, folks. They are going to be very hard to replace.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - chimera - 02-18-2022

That was a bit of a strange game. OSU really wanted this one, they pulled out all the stops. I thought we were in great shape when we ended up 9 points to the good at the half after playing a lot of the bench and lots of different combos in the first half, due to foul trouble and I think Tara not loving the vibe there for a while. When the team is starting to get a bit off track Tara sometimes puts in Jerome to calm things, so when Jerome comes in I take it as a sign Tara thinks the team is out of kilter or not doing what she wants.

When they got it down to 4 I was a bit concerned but somehow I did not think we would lose, and sure enough, Jones hits some shots and Iraifen does, and Belibi has a big impact on both ends of the floor, and Jump pops in some threes and the game is a rout. When the announcer said Lexie had 19 or 20 points toward the end I was surprised it was that many. She was great on offense even with some foul trouble. Nice game from Wilson, Lexie, Belibi, and good support from the guard subs - Jump, Van Gytenbeek, and Hamilton.

For OSU Von Oelhoffen scored well but she got super lucky on a few of those shots, I guess balancing out two or three banks for us that were not meant to be that way. I don't think OSU is a great team. They are decent and run some good schemes but they don't have the horses this year to be more than occasionally troublesome for a top team. I don't know if they will make the NCAAs. If they do I doubt they get very far. Strange year for the conference. None of the top teams aside from Stanford have been consistently as good as expected. UA looks great and then terrible. Same for Oregon.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - martyup - 02-18-2022

Kiki made some really quick moves under the basket and smoked her defender. She keeps getting better and better.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - Baez87 - 02-18-2022

(02-18-2022, 10:54 PM)martyup Wrote: Kiki made some really quick moves under the basket and smoked her defender. She keeps getting better and better.

Kiki is fast becoming my favorite player. Her versatility and persistence under the basket is fantastic — and by a freshman. Hustle? She is the first one down the court no matter where she is at the beginning of the possession! Great team attitude, too!

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - BostonCard - 02-19-2022

I know some people have been skeptical that Jump was the best choice for our last 2019 scholarship, but she is such an important piece of the puzzle in her role, one that we can’t easily replicate. Really glad to see her as a significant contributor.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - BobK - 02-19-2022

Jump was not the final choice. Not close
As to your point on Jump. Wow has she been great

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - Card10Fan - 02-19-2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdICy9geV8&t=801s

Couldn't find the Stanford postgame videos but here is Oregon State's. Rueck is plenty complimentary when talking about our program. Talks at the very end regarding the NCAA tourney, how the PAC-12 rescheduled their games this year and a few of the games against the bottom tier teams didn't get chosen as makeup games potentially hurting their record. He hopes the committee takes that into consideration.

If VonOehloffen would have picked Stanford, I wonder what her role would have been on our tremendously deep team? She is a recruit I actually thought we were going to land. She looked very dejected in the postgame interview.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - jonnyss - 02-19-2022

(02-19-2022, 08:52 AM)Card10Fan Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdICy9geV8&t=801s

Couldn't find the Stanford postgame videos but here is Oregon State's. Rueck is plenty complimentary when talking about our program. Talks at the very end regarding the NCAA tourney, how the PAC-12 rescheduled their games this year and a few of the games against the bottom tier teams didn't get chosen as makeup games potentially hurting their record. He hopes the committee takes that into consideration.

If VonOehloffen would have picked Stanford, I wonder what her role would have been on our tremendously deep team? She is a recruit I actually thought we were going to land. She looked very dejected in the postgame interview.

we likely have a spot open for a transfer!

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - Jskass - 02-19-2022

I feel for her. She could have been at a much better school academically and Basketball-wise, so can only surmise that she wanted to be closer to home and/or just felt very comfortable there. Clearly an excellent player who has adapted well to the college game and has a lot to offer. At this point (especially with the environment these last two years and the Olympics figure skating fiasco) emotional/mental health and happiness need to be front and center.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - 81alum - 02-19-2022

Rueck was very respectful and he actually gives good insight. Tara does not always interview well--she is so guarded about what she will reveal. Rueck discussed the Stanford defense in an interesting way. He says we played 1 on 1 close defense and thus snuffed out most assists, but this was vulnerable to OSU players breaking to the rim, and they did some but not enough. But we did not do a lot of help defense, sagging, etc. but dared them to score 1 on 1. I've not heard the Stanford defense described in that way before.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - WBB fan - 02-19-2022

(02-19-2022, 10:29 AM)Jskass Wrote: I feel for her. She could have been at a much better school academically and Basketball-wise, so can only surmise that she wanted to be closer to home and/or just felt very comfortable there. Clearly an excellent player who has adapted well to the college game and has a lot to offer. At this point (especially with the environment these last two years and the Olympics figure skating fiasco) emotional/mental health and happiness need to be front and center.

I feel I just have to respond here to the "much better school academically" . . . comment. Yes, Stanford is clearly at the top academically in the Pac-12, but Berkeley is right up there as well. (Sorry, rapid Cards, but that's the truth). Decades ago, when I was deciding where to apply to college, OSU definitely was not on my list even though both my parents were on the faculty there. Stanford, of course, was on my list. But OSU has changed dramatically academically in recent years with the addition of its Honors College. If TVO could have been admitted to Stanford, she probably would have qualified for the Honors College, and that's a top notch program, highly selective and very demanding. I know people who have graduated from it, including children of a Stanford grad, and they speak VERY highly of it. Basketball-wise, well I can definitely agree with that. Stanford has Tara!

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - 81alum - 02-19-2022

Having degrees from Stanford, U Chicago, and Princeton, but teaching my whole career at a Cal State, has given me a perspective on "best schools." I loved my experience at Stanford and agree that it provided me with a top notch education--although it had its weaknesses as well. And I have had a few students in my current institution who are every bit as talented as I was and who got an education every bit as superb as I did. As noted above, Honors Programs can be fabulous in many places. Especially at the undergraduate level, the quality of the education really depends much more on the attitude of the student, the quality of advising, the willingness to seek out the most appropriate faculty as opposed to just "taking courses." Granted, the "40 year decision" gives the pedigree of a prestigious institution to the graduate and that is a considerable advantage--but if you ask what a student actually learns then there are many appropriate pathways, and no best institution.

I think at Stanford it was almost impossible to not receive a quality education. At my current institution, the student has to work hard and plan a great deal to receive a quality education. And most, frankly, do not. But for a bright, well motivated student, a fabulous education can be obtained at most institutions--even outside of college. It is a matter of fitting the student to the right environment. If the right environment is Oregon State, so be it. Without having a window into TVO's soul we are in no position to judge.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - CompSci87 - 02-19-2022

(02-19-2022, 10:40 AM)81alum Wrote: Rueck was very respectful and he actually gives good insight. Tara does not always interview well--she is so guarded about what she will reveal. Rueck discussed the Stanford defense in an interesting way. He says we played 1 on 1 close defense and thus snuffed out most assists, but this was vulnerable to OSU players breaking to the rim, and they did some but not enough. But we did not do a lot of help defense, sagging, etc. but dared them to score 1 on 1. I've not heard the Stanford defense described in that way before.

That must have been an adjustment for OSU. We know there's always a detailed scout and defensive game plan, but as fans it's not always easy for us to perceive what the plan is as it's carried out. Some techniques are obvious, like sagging way off a non-shooter or switching to a zone, others not.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - Card10Fan - 02-19-2022

(02-19-2022, 11:21 AM)81alum Wrote: I think at Stanford it was almost impossible to not receive a quality education. At my current institution, the student has to work hard and plan a great deal to receive a quality education. And most, frankly, do not. But for a bright, well motivated student, a fabulous education can be obtained at most institutions--even outside of college. It is a matter of fitting the student to the right environment. If the right environment is Oregon State, so be it. Without having a window into TVO's soul we are in no position to judge.

Well said. With the way the transfer portal is today, if someone is not happy or not in the right environment, they have opportunities to look elsewhere. It is what it is. That applies to any college player.

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - BostonCard - 02-19-2022

(02-19-2022, 11:21 AM)81alum Wrote: Having degrees from Stanford, U Chicago, and Princeton, but teaching my whole career at a Cal State, has given me a perspective on "best schools." I loved my experience at Stanford and agree that it provided me with a top notch education--although it had its weaknesses as well. And I have had a few students in my current institution who are every bit as talented as I was and who got an education every bit as superb as I did. As noted above, Honors Programs can be fabulous in many places. Especially at the undergraduate level, the quality of the education really depends much more on the attitude of the student, the quality of advising, the willingness to seek out the most appropriate faculty as opposed to just "taking courses." Granted, the "40 year decision" gives the pedigree of a prestigious institution to the graduate and that is a considerable advantage--but if you ask what a student actually learns then there are many appropriate pathways, and no best institution.

I think at Stanford it was almost impossible to not receive a quality education. At my current institution, the student has to work hard and plan a great deal to receive a quality education. And most, frankly, do not. But for a bright, well motivated student, a fabulous education can be obtained at most institutions--even outside of college. It is a matter of fitting the student to the right environment. If the right environment is Oregon State, so be it. Without having a window into TVO's soul we are in no position to judge.

I agree 100%. I would add something, but you have articulated the point so well, I have nothing to add to the above.

BC

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - WBB fan - 02-19-2022

(02-19-2022, 11:21 AM)81alum Wrote: Having degrees from Stanford, U Chicago, and Princeton, but teaching my whole career at a Cal State, has given me a perspective on "best schools." I loved my experience at Stanford and agree that it provided me with a top notch education--although it had its weaknesses as well. And I have had a few students in my current institution who are every bit as talented as I was and who got an education every bit as superb as I did. As noted above, Honors Programs can be fabulous in many places. Especially at the undergraduate level, the quality of the education really depends much more on the attitude of the student, the quality of advising, the willingness to seek out the most appropriate faculty as opposed to just "taking courses." Granted, the "40 year decision" gives the pedigree of a prestigious institution to the graduate and that is a considerable advantage--but if you ask what a student actually learns then there are many appropriate pathways, and no best institution.

I think at Stanford it was almost impossible to not receive a quality education. At my current institution, the student has to work hard and plan a great deal to receive a quality education. And most, frankly, do not. But for a bright, well motivated student, a fabulous education can be obtained at most institutions--even outside of college. It is a matter of fitting the student to the right environment. If the right environment is Oregon State, so be it. Without having a window into TVO's soul we are in no position to judge.

Very well said

RE: WBB: Stanford 87 -- Oregon State 63 - MV72018 - 02-19-2022

(02-19-2022, 11:21 AM)81alum Wrote: Having degrees from Stanford, U Chicago, and Princeton, but teaching my whole career at a Cal State, has given me a perspective on "best schools." I loved my experience at Stanford and agree that it provided me with a top notch education--although it had its weaknesses as well. And I have had a few students in my current institution who are every bit as talented as I was and who got an education every bit as superb as I did. As noted above, Honors Programs can be fabulous in many places. Especially at the undergraduate level, the quality of the education really depends much more on the attitude of the student, the quality of advising, the willingness to seek out the most appropriate faculty as opposed to just "taking courses." Granted, the "40 year decision" gives the pedigree of a prestigious institution to the graduate and that is a considerable advantage--but if you ask what a student actually learns then there are many appropriate pathways, and no best institution.

I think at Stanford it was almost impossible to not receive a quality education. At my current institution, the student has to work hard and plan a great deal to receive a quality education. And most, frankly, do not. But for a bright, well motivated student, a fabulous education can be obtained at most institutions--even outside of college. It is a matter of fitting the student to the right environment. If the right environment is Oregon State, so be it. Without having a window into TVO's soul we are in no position to judge.

Sorry, at Stanford, it is quite easy to NOT obtain a quality education -- assuming that "education" means "genuine education" rather than just "training." Many students master various methods and techniques and are able to "solve" certain problems in their fields and yet are not "educated." I knew many students at Stanford whom I did not regard at all as having obtained an education properly so called. I could give many examples, but here are just two. It was and is quite easy to spend four years at Stanford (and almost any other U.S. university) and not become adept at doing "critical analysis," i.e., not have learned how to critically analyze arguments, worldviews, and policies and express one's conclusions in a well reasoned, clearly expressed, well-edited manner. Moreover, many if not most of the students who graduate from Stanford with a B.A. or B.S. degree have no more than cocktail-party-level familiarity with even a handful of the greatest ideas of philosophy, works of creative literature, or great works of the fine arts. In my book, anyone who is incapable of serious critical analysis and is quasi-culturally illiterate regarding the great works of the humanities, fine arts, and even the social sciences does not deserve to be called educated. Nowadays, anyone who has a decent measure of competence in a single field of specialization -- often technical -- and superficial knowledge at best of all fields outside her or his field of specialization is widely regarded as "educated." Thanks but no thanks on that permissiveness. Whether it is fair to say that a student who graduates from Stanford with a bachelor's degree is educated in a meaningful sense depends at least as much on the values and habits of mind and drives of the students with whom she or he is good friends as it does on Stanford's requirements for graduation. For me, it is the possibility of linking up with an exceptionally intellectually ambitious peer group that increases the chances of a student acquiring a bona fide education at Stanford over many other schools. Not a guarantee, but it does offer possibilities. However, Stanford needs to take care that the allure of Silicon Valley riches and prestige and the school's relentless promotion of entrepreneurism doesn't lead an even greater percentage of the undergraduate student body to succumb to the cult of technical mastery, something that while not incompatible with acquiring an education makes it a more difficult thing to do, arguably against the current in the "hot" (and often lucrative) technical fields.