[Mick]

True. To make sure I understand your point, you are saying the '06 team had talent that Harbaugh et al used to be a better team in '07 and beyond. The '22 team had little if any talent and therefore TT is going to have a much tougher time. I would support that assertion. There was no Toby Gerhart on the '22 team, for example. TT may never 'get there', but he clearly started with further to go.

Still seems odd to me that Harris couldn't do anything with Stanford's teams. He'd gone to six bowls in eight years at Pitt, including the last five in a row, was ranked in the AP Top 10 at the start of 2003. He won between 7 and 9 games five years in a row, after recovering from 6, 2, and 5 win seasons at Pitt...and Pitt floundered after Harris left. If he actually recruited talent to Stanford, how did he stink so badly as a head coach?

my recollection from when we hired Harris was Pitt people writing on The Bootleg about "glad he's gone"....

I remember the same thing...still, prior to Harris' arrival at Pitt, they hadn't been to a bowl game in eight seasons, and had only been to two bowl games in the 13 seasons prior to Harris' arrival...after having gone to 11 straight bowl games dating back to the Dorsett era. Harris took them to six bowls in eight years and national rankings in his final three seasons. Wonder what he did to anger the locals?

From what I understood, Harris just generally acted like a jerk. (I believe one Cardboarder confirmed that when he met him). Harris was tolerated because he won.

That was me. I've had a number of reprehensible coaches, football and otherwise over the course of my lifetime, but Harris was il capo di tutti capi so to speak.

[Mick]

True. To make sure I understand your point, you are saying the '06 team had talent that Harbaugh et al used to be a better team in '07 and beyond. The '22 team had little if any talent and therefore TT is going to have a much tougher time. I would support that assertion. There was no Toby Gerhart on the '22 team, for example. TT may never 'get there', but he clearly started with further to go.

Still seems odd to me that Harris couldn't do anything with Stanford's teams. He'd gone to six bowls in eight years at Pitt, including the last five in a row, was ranked in the AP Top 10 at the start of 2003. He won between 7 and 9 games five years in a row, after recovering from 6, 2, and 5 win seasons at Pitt...and Pitt floundered after Harris left. If he actually recruited talent to Stanford, how did he stink so badly as a head coach?

my recollection from when we hired Harris was Pitt people writing on The Bootleg about "glad he's gone"....

I remember the same thing...still, prior to Harris' arrival at Pitt, they hadn't been to a bowl game in eight seasons, and had only been to two bowl games in the 13 seasons prior to Harris' arrival...after having gone to 11 straight bowl games dating back to the Dorsett era. Harris took them to six bowls in eight years and national rankings in his final three seasons. Wonder what he did to anger the locals?

From what I understood, Harris just generally acted like a jerk. (I believe one Cardboarder confirmed that when he met him). Harris was tolerated because he won.

That was me. I've had a number of reprehensible coaches, football and otherwise over the course of my lifetime, but Harris was il capo di tutti capi so to speak.