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[quote author=StanFan88 link=topic=10371.msg94427#msg94427 date=1408145204]
Twice in three years.  "Lack of institutional control"?

The University of Student-ATHLETES?

Dimes to donuts the NCAA wont touch it.  Cowards.
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Man I hate this, but somebody's got to do it. So, time to hold my nose and ...

defend N.o.t.r.e D.a.m.e.

At least as far as I have read, there is not enough out there yet to really know what has happened. But at the least, I haven't seen anything indicating that N.o.t.r.e D.a.m.e has acted  improperly. It appears this has just arisen in the media precisely because UND is doing something about it, not the other way around - reacting only because the story got out. I haven't seen any reports that anyone with institutional responsibility has tried to stamp this down because football players were involved.

And individuals cheating is going to happen. Most reports I have read estimate that between 80 to 90 percent of college students cheat at some point. Now that is not all the time, and mostly not to the level that one would get expelled if caught, but even at that level its got to be a significant amount. Neither an institution nor a football program is going to be able to simply not have kids cheat, or be in a position to make sure it doesn't happen. The measure of the institution is how they deal with the situation if it happens. I can't tell if Notre Dame is handling this correctly, but at least they seem to be doing something.

Generally similar with Golson. He was kicked out of school for a year. I don't know if they handled that correctly, but that's not nothing.

As to the NCAA. I don't know what you think their role should be with respect to monitoring academic fraud in the classroom.
They should (and at least sort of have) become involved when a coaching staff seems to be involved in either facilitating or covering up cheating. They should not, and mostly haven't, become involved if there is simply a violation of a University's honor code or academic standards, the university addresses the issue, and treats the student athletes on par with other students.


... and besides there's plenty of other reasons to hold the Domers in contempt.

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[quote author=StanFan88 link=topic=10371.msg94427#msg94427 date=1408145204]
Twice in three years.  "Lack of institutional control"?

The University of Student-ATHLETES?

Dimes to donuts the NCAA wont touch it.  Cowards.
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Man I hate this, but somebody's got to do it. So, time to hold my nose and ...

defend N.o.t.r.e D.a.m.e.

At least as far as I have read, there is not enough out there yet to really know what has happened. But at the least, I haven't seen anything indicating that N.o.t.r.e D.a.m.e has acted  improperly. It appears this has just arisen in the media precisely because UND is doing something about it, not the other way around - reacting only because the story got out. I haven't seen any reports that anyone with institutional responsibility has tried to stamp this down because football players were involved.

And individuals cheating is going to happen. Most reports I have read estimate that between 80 to 90 percent of college students cheat at some point. Now that is not all the time, and mostly not to the level that one would get expelled if caught, but even at that level its got to be a significant amount. Neither an institution nor a football program is going to be able to simply not have kids cheat, or be in a position to make sure it doesn't happen. The measure of the institution is how they deal with the situation if it happens. I can't tell if Notre Dame is handling this correctly, but at least they seem to be doing something.

Generally similar with Golson. He was kicked out of school for a year. I don't know if they handled that correctly, but that's not nothing.

As to the NCAA. I don't know what you think their role should be with respect to monitoring academic fraud in the classroom.
They should (and at least sort of have) become involved when a coaching staff seems to be involved in either facilitating or covering up cheating. They should not, and mostly haven't, become involved if there is simply a violation of a University's honor code or academic standards, the university addresses the issue, and treats the student athletes on par with other students.


... and besides there's plenty of other reasons to hold the Domers in contempt.