[BostonCard]

Where can I get so repressed?

You went to a Catholic school, didn't you?

BC

[BostonCard]

Where can I get so repressed?

You went to a Catholic school, didn't you?

BC

[martyup]

If you study the new "interim" President's words carefully . . .

The school at the focal point of the current crisis, the University of Missouri, hired an interim system president on Thursday afternoon. Mike Middleton previously attended Missouri as a student and also served as a faculty member and administrator. Middleton, who is black, said he felt marginalized "every day" in each of those roles.

"It's so subtle," Middleton said. "I think women understand it. I think people with a sexual orientation that is not a male-centered perspective on sexuality understand it. I think other people of color understand it. I think folks in power, in the majority, who have never lived it and have never experienced it have difficult understanding it the way those of us who have been minoritized do.

"But it is just the feeling of not being heard, not being respected," he said. "Being placed at the margins of what's really happening in the world. And it happens inadvertently. Nobody is really to blame for this.

. . . you come to the conclusion that he feels that only women and people of color can understand the "systematic racism" that pervades American society.  "Nobody is really to blame," except of course the former UM system President and the Chancellor.  It's so "subtle" that you really cannot trust any white male to hold a position of power and influence in our society because they just don't understand. 

As I warned in my first post on this topic, the precedent of this protest successfully ousting Wolfe would be very dangerous.  Now students from other universities and colleges are joining the party and making their own lists of demands.

The vast majority of faculties at American universities and colleges have been teaching and pushing this "social justice" agenda for decades.  They have tamped down opposing opinion and suspended Freedom of Speech rights on campuses.  Now everything they have created is blowing back on them with a vengeance.  It is these universities and colleges that will suffer the first wave of the wrath of the protestors.  It brings to mind "the dog that bites the hand that feeds him" and "the chickens coming home to roost."

This is primary a sports board with an emphasis on college football.  When players from UM football team chose to join the protest and refused to play unless their demands were met, it put in jeopardy the institution of college football.  I genuinely fear that this movement has the potential to strike a severe blow to college football as we know it.  It might even result in an astrix besides the name of team that wins this season's National Championship.  Since we are still in that hunt, it may affect Stanford football.

[martyup]

If you study the new "interim" President's words carefully . . .

The school at the focal point of the current crisis, the University of Missouri, hired an interim system president on Thursday afternoon. Mike Middleton previously attended Missouri as a student and also served as a faculty member and administrator. Middleton, who is black, said he felt marginalized "every day" in each of those roles.

"It's so subtle," Middleton said. "I think women understand it. I think people with a sexual orientation that is not a male-centered perspective on sexuality understand it. I think other people of color understand it. I think folks in power, in the majority, who have never lived it and have never experienced it have difficult understanding it the way those of us who have been minoritized do.

"But it is just the feeling of not being heard, not being respected," he said. "Being placed at the margins of what's really happening in the world. And it happens inadvertently. Nobody is really to blame for this.

. . . you come to the conclusion that he feels that only women and people of color can understand the "systematic racism" that pervades American society.  "Nobody is really to blame," except of course the former UM system President and the Chancellor.  It's so "subtle" that you really cannot trust any white male to hold a position of power and influence in our society because they just don't understand. 

As I warned in my first post on this topic, the precedent of this protest successfully ousting Wolfe would be very dangerous.  Now students from other universities and colleges are joining the party and making their own lists of demands.

The vast majority of faculties at American universities and colleges have been teaching and pushing this "social justice" agenda for decades.  They have tamped down opposing opinion and suspended Freedom of Speech rights on campuses.  Now everything they have created is blowing back on them with a vengeance.  It is these universities and colleges that will suffer the first wave of the wrath of the protestors.  It brings to mind "the dog that bites the hand that feeds him" and "the chickens coming home to roost."

This is primary a sports board with an emphasis on college football.  When players from UM football team chose to join the protest and refused to play unless their demands were met, it put in jeopardy the institution of college football.  I genuinely fear that this movement has the potential to strike a severe blow to college football as we know it.  It might even result in an astrix besides the name of team that wins this season's National Championship.  Since we are still in that hunt, it may affect Stanford football.

[BostonCard]

Methinks you doth protest too much.

http://www.acenet.edu/the-presidency/col...Study.aspx

While college campuses have diversified the racial and ethnic makeup of their student bodies, the racial and ethnic composition of college and university presidents has changed very little. Between 1990 and 2009, the share of college students that were racial and ethnic minorities increased from 20 percent to 34 percent. Between 1986 and 2011, the racial makeup of college presidents only increased from 8 percent to 13 percent. Moreover, when comparing data from the two most recent president studies, racial diversity declined from 14 percent in 2006 to 13 percent in 2011.

There is a long way to go until the white male near monopoly on University Presidents is threatened by angry mobs of brown and black people demanding that people in power are at least close to representative of their numbers.

BC

[BostonCard]

Methinks you doth protest too much.

http://www.acenet.edu/the-presidency/col...Study.aspx

While college campuses have diversified the racial and ethnic makeup of their student bodies, the racial and ethnic composition of college and university presidents has changed very little. Between 1990 and 2009, the share of college students that were racial and ethnic minorities increased from 20 percent to 34 percent. Between 1986 and 2011, the racial makeup of college presidents only increased from 8 percent to 13 percent. Moreover, when comparing data from the two most recent president studies, racial diversity declined from 14 percent in 2006 to 13 percent in 2011.

There is a long way to go until the white male near monopoly on University Presidents is threatened by angry mobs of brown and black people demanding that people in power are at least close to representative of their numbers.

BC

[BostonCard]

I'll add this article by the Economist, with reference to what happened in both Yale and Missouri.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...ile-campus

At the University of Missouri, whose president resigned on November 9th, administrators did a poor job of responding to complaints of unacceptable behaviour on campus—which included the scattering of balls of cotton about the place, as a put-down to black students, and the smearing of faeces in the shape of a swastika in a bathroom.

I had not heard about the scattering of balls of cotton around.

BC

[BostonCard]

I'll add this article by the Economist, with reference to what happened in both Yale and Missouri.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...ile-campus

At the University of Missouri, whose president resigned on November 9th, administrators did a poor job of responding to complaints of unacceptable behaviour on campus—which included the scattering of balls of cotton about the place, as a put-down to black students, and the smearing of faeces in the shape of a swastika in a bathroom.

I had not heard about the scattering of balls of cotton around.

BC

[CornFed]

Methinks you doth protest too much.

http://www.acenet.edu/the-presidency/col...Study.aspx

While college campuses have diversified the racial and ethnic makeup of their student bodies, the racial and ethnic composition of college and university presidents has changed very little. Between 1990 and 2009, the share of college students that were racial and ethnic minorities increased from 20 percent to 34 percent. Between 1986 and 2011, the racial makeup of college presidents only increased from 8 percent to 13 percent. Moreover, when comparing data from the two most recent president studies, racial diversity declined from 14 percent in 2006 to 13 percent in 2011.

There is a long way to go until the white male near monopoly on University Presidents is threatened by angry mobs of brown and black people demanding that people in power are at least close to representative of their numbers.

BC

So you want to raise a new point about the racial composition of college administrations?  It appears we need to examine that.  Perhaps that will be an outcome of the current upheaval.

[CornFed]

Methinks you doth protest too much.

http://www.acenet.edu/the-presidency/col...Study.aspx

While college campuses have diversified the racial and ethnic makeup of their student bodies, the racial and ethnic composition of college and university presidents has changed very little. Between 1990 and 2009, the share of college students that were racial and ethnic minorities increased from 20 percent to 34 percent. Between 1986 and 2011, the racial makeup of college presidents only increased from 8 percent to 13 percent. Moreover, when comparing data from the two most recent president studies, racial diversity declined from 14 percent in 2006 to 13 percent in 2011.

There is a long way to go until the white male near monopoly on University Presidents is threatened by angry mobs of brown and black people demanding that people in power are at least close to representative of their numbers.

BC

So you want to raise a new point about the racial composition of college administrations?  It appears we need to examine that.  Perhaps that will be an outcome of the current upheaval.

[Mick]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=13558.msg141090#msg141090 date=1447362570]
Where can I get so repressed?

You went to a Catholic school, didn't you?

BC
[/quote]

Three of them.  Excellent grounding in repression.  But I don't have $20 million, to which I was referring...

[Mick]

[quote author=Mick link=topic=13558.msg141090#msg141090 date=1447362570]
Where can I get so repressed?

You went to a Catholic school, didn't you?

BC
[/quote]

Three of them.  Excellent grounding in repression.  But I don't have $20 million, to which I was referring...

[Rally]

I knew this would happen but hoped it wouldn't.

https://www.facebook.com/stanfordfootbal...=3&theater

[Rally]

I knew this would happen but hoped it wouldn't.

https://www.facebook.com/stanfordfootbal...=3&theater

[BobK]

You really think Stanford students don't know whats going on in America?  Good for them

[BobK]

You really think Stanford students don't know whats going on in America?  Good for them

[martyup]

I'll add this article by the Economist, with reference to what happened in both Yale and Missouri.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...ile-campus

BC

From that article:

Fifty years ago student radicals agitated for academic freedom and the right to engage in political activities on campus. Now some of their successors are campaigning for censorship and increased policing by universities of student activities. The supporters of these ideas on campus are usually described as radicals. They are, in fact, the opposite.

Indeed, today it is radical to stand up for Freedom of Speech.

[martyup]

I'll add this article by the Economist, with reference to what happened in both Yale and Missouri.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...ile-campus

BC

From that article:

Fifty years ago student radicals agitated for academic freedom and the right to engage in political activities on campus. Now some of their successors are campaigning for censorship and increased policing by universities of student activities. The supporters of these ideas on campus are usually described as radicals. They are, in fact, the opposite.

Indeed, today it is radical to stand up for Freedom of Speech.

[TrumpCard]

A dean at Claremont McKenna just resigned in response to protests as well.  Students were upset because of an e-mail message that she sent to a student in response to an opinion article the student wrote.

Here is the e-mail message:  http://claremontindependent.com/wp-conte...7364_o.jpg

Here is the opinion article: http://tsl.news/opinions/5116/

I readily acknowledge that the e-mail wasn't artfully worded, but it did sound like it was coming from the right place.  IMHO, a hunger strike and the resignation of a high-level administrator seem like a very big over-reaction. 

[TrumpCard]

A dean at Claremont McKenna just resigned in response to protests as well.  Students were upset because of an e-mail message that she sent to a student in response to an opinion article the student wrote.

Here is the e-mail message:  http://claremontindependent.com/wp-conte...7364_o.jpg

Here is the opinion article: http://tsl.news/opinions/5116/

I readily acknowledge that the e-mail wasn't artfully worded, but it did sound like it was coming from the right place.  IMHO, a hunger strike and the resignation of a high-level administrator seem like a very big over-reaction. 

[jacketree]

I was going to stay out of all this, but according to that Stanford FB picture, if you are neutral you are an oppressor.

My sister (head of Mizzou's Veterinary Library) and brother-in-law (a prominent professor in the Botany Department) are in Tahiti and New Zealand for 6 weeks or so to celebrate a year of cancer remission.  They went "off grid" and called me with instructions about their dog should they never return and the DEFCON levels for notification of certain family events. If my stepfather dies (entirely possible), they have made peace with him.  If my mother dies (not expected but the stress of her husband's situation has led to serious health issues....) they should be notified and will decide based on that notification.

I'm tempted to text them about the shit storm they are missing at home, but I think they deserve a mostly stress-free vacation.

I will note in passing that cooler heads really are necessary for cooler heads to prevail.

[jacketree]

I was going to stay out of all this, but according to that Stanford FB picture, if you are neutral you are an oppressor.

My sister (head of Mizzou's Veterinary Library) and brother-in-law (a prominent professor in the Botany Department) are in Tahiti and New Zealand for 6 weeks or so to celebrate a year of cancer remission.  They went "off grid" and called me with instructions about their dog should they never return and the DEFCON levels for notification of certain family events. If my stepfather dies (entirely possible), they have made peace with him.  If my mother dies (not expected but the stress of her husband's situation has led to serious health issues....) they should be notified and will decide based on that notification.

I'm tempted to text them about the shit storm they are missing at home, but I think they deserve a mostly stress-free vacation.

I will note in passing that cooler heads really are necessary for cooler heads to prevail.

[Kathy]

I'll add this article by the Economist, with reference to what happened in both Yale and Missouri.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...ile-campus

At the University of Missouri, whose president resigned on November 9th, administrators did a poor job of responding to complaints of unacceptable behaviour on campus—which included the scattering of balls of cotton about the place, as a put-down to black students, and the smearing of faeces in the shape of a swastika in a bathroom.

I had not heard about the scattering of balls of cotton around.

BC

The cotton balls incident occurred in early 2010. The two intoxicated students responsible were arrested, suspended, convicted of littering, lost their driver's licenses for a few months, did community service & served two years' probation. They withdrew from MU & lost their ROTC appointments. Different administration: Tim Wolfe was not the president of the university then nor was R. Bowen Loftin the chancellor. The new interim president, Mike Middleton, was deputy chancellor at the time.

[Kathy]

I'll add this article by the Economist, with reference to what happened in both Yale and Missouri.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...ile-campus

At the University of Missouri, whose president resigned on November 9th, administrators did a poor job of responding to complaints of unacceptable behaviour on campus—which included the scattering of balls of cotton about the place, as a put-down to black students, and the smearing of faeces in the shape of a swastika in a bathroom.

I had not heard about the scattering of balls of cotton around.

BC

The cotton balls incident occurred in early 2010. The two intoxicated students responsible were arrested, suspended, convicted of littering, lost their driver's licenses for a few months, did community service & served two years' probation. They withdrew from MU & lost their ROTC appointments. Different administration: Tim Wolfe was not the president of the university then nor was R. Bowen Loftin the chancellor. The new interim president, Mike Middleton, was deputy chancellor at the time.

[Rally]

You really think Stanford students don't know whats going on in America?  Good for them

I said I knew it would happen but hoped it wouldn't.  If they don't have an issue her glooming on may just be an emotional reaction serving little more that to fan the flame.  Do they want Stanford to do or change something?  Not that I've heard.  Great that they're aware, but I'm aware of lots of shit, so I should go raise hell at the mall?  Next some Stanford prof is going to have an extra glass of whatever and tweet, "let's just all calm down" and someone will call for his/her head.  God help us if they go on a hunger strike.

[Rally]

You really think Stanford students don't know whats going on in America?  Good for them

I said I knew it would happen but hoped it wouldn't.  If they don't have an issue her glooming on may just be an emotional reaction serving little more that to fan the flame.  Do they want Stanford to do or change something?  Not that I've heard.  Great that they're aware, but I'm aware of lots of shit, so I should go raise hell at the mall?  Next some Stanford prof is going to have an extra glass of whatever and tweet, "let's just all calm down" and someone will call for his/her head.  God help us if they go on a hunger strike.

[winflop]

Well now that a good chunk of the fact base for the Missouri students original issues has been revealed as a hoax, I have changed my opinion on this whole thing and I think the copycat actions elsewhere are repugnant.

I wouldn't hire any of these folks.  They have no idea what goes outside their bubble of "safe zones" and "microagression"

You think you've been "triggered"?  Try having a furious customer vent at you for two straight minutes (it feels a whole lot longer than that) and call you every name in the book and then some.  These kids would break down crying in the face of that.

Is racism a problem?  Yes.  But the way to counter racist speech is to have the guts to personally call it out for what it is, and publicly shame the person who does it - not go running to the school to "outlaw hate speech"

I'm keeping a list of every school whose administrators don't have the guts to stand up to these clowns.  My younger HS sophomore son will not be applying to any of them.

[winflop]

Well now that a good chunk of the fact base for the Missouri students original issues has been revealed as a hoax, I have changed my opinion on this whole thing and I think the copycat actions elsewhere are repugnant.

I wouldn't hire any of these folks.  They have no idea what goes outside their bubble of "safe zones" and "microagression"

You think you've been "triggered"?  Try having a furious customer vent at you for two straight minutes (it feels a whole lot longer than that) and call you every name in the book and then some.  These kids would break down crying in the face of that.

Is racism a problem?  Yes.  But the way to counter racist speech is to have the guts to personally call it out for what it is, and publicly shame the person who does it - not go running to the school to "outlaw hate speech"

I'm keeping a list of every school whose administrators don't have the guts to stand up to these clowns.  My younger HS sophomore son will not be applying to any of them.

[washingtonismoney]

Well now that a good chunk of the fact base for the Missouri students original issues has been revealed as a hoax...

Cite?

The, ah, feces swastika is absolutely real: http://gawker.com/heres-the-poop-swastika-1742228106

[washingtonismoney]

Well now that a good chunk of the fact base for the Missouri students original issues has been revealed as a hoax...

Cite?

The, ah, feces swastika is absolutely real: http://gawker.com/heres-the-poop-swastika-1742228106

[Rally]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=13558.msg141196#msg141196 date=1447390286]
Well now that a good chunk of the fact base for the Missouri students original issues has been revealed as a hoax...

Cite?

The, ah, feces swastika is absolutely real: http://gawker.com/heres-the-poop-swastika-1742228106
[/quote]

Okay.  And cotton balls in 2010.  And supposedly some a hole said something offensive to the elected student body president.  And somebody broke open the locked gate to our dog park, ruining the reseeding.  And a woman yelled at me yesterday for taking "her" parking space.  Call the cops!  Heads must roll!  Shut the place down!  As someone said, a customer yelled at me today!  Take the week off!  Call the cops!  Sue my boss!  Good grief, just pack a gun and shoot any bastard who offends you.  I don't mean any of this, especially the dog park thing (although it does piss me off because I have to partly pay for the repair) but come on.  Pick your battles.  Misuse may be a horrible, racist place, I don't know, but Stanford needs to stand with them without knowing the facts?  Why?  To show they are aware?

[Rally]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=13558.msg141196#msg141196 date=1447390286]
Well now that a good chunk of the fact base for the Missouri students original issues has been revealed as a hoax...

Cite?

The, ah, feces swastika is absolutely real: http://gawker.com/heres-the-poop-swastika-1742228106
[/quote]

Okay.  And cotton balls in 2010.  And supposedly some a hole said something offensive to the elected student body president.  And somebody broke open the locked gate to our dog park, ruining the reseeding.  And a woman yelled at me yesterday for taking "her" parking space.  Call the cops!  Heads must roll!  Shut the place down!  As someone said, a customer yelled at me today!  Take the week off!  Call the cops!  Sue my boss!  Good grief, just pack a gun and shoot any bastard who offends you.  I don't mean any of this, especially the dog park thing (although it does piss me off because I have to partly pay for the repair) but come on.  Pick your battles.  Misuse may be a horrible, racist place, I don't know, but Stanford needs to stand with them without knowing the facts?  Why?  To show they are aware?

[CornFed]

Perhaps I'm unaccustomed to looking at "poop swastikas", but i seriously don't see anything in the picture you posted.  Nonetheless, I presume it's there, but do they even know who actually put it there?  It is not terribly uncommon for the person reporting the hate crime to have perpetrated the act themselves.  But even if one of the activists did that in this case, I understand that there are plenty of proven incidents around the country to use as examples.  It just seems these episodes always start at DefCon5.  The point is made that there is a long history of tension starting with people feeling minimalized or mistreated in many fairly minor ways and when they take their concerns to the appropriate authority they do not feel their issues are being taken seriously enough.  So then all hell breaks loose.

I mean, the situation at Yale arose because the wife of the resident professor sent out an email essentially saying that Yale students are adults and should not be instructed about proper Halloween costumes.  The dean of a women's college a while back was threatened with the loss of her position for trying to offer a message that I'm sure she thought was a healing ideal that "All lives matter", which we know now is like throwing gasoline on a fire.

Also, as an aside, I just have to say that the idea that "you're either with us or you're with the oppressors" is an utter pile of horseshit.  In retrospect I detest that bastard Bruce Franklin who argued that case back in 1970 and 1971 when I was a freshman.  I was against the war in Vietnam but I couldn't bring myself to destroy campus property, which was what those jerks wanted to do to make their useless point.

This whole social justice movement is in danger of invalidating itself with me because it substitutes volume for reason, rancor for rationale.  They are willing to invalidate everyone else's rights in the misbegotten notion that somehow it will restore theirs.  The movement is beginning to be similar to McCarthyism.  "If you don't believe in things like I believe, then you're evil and have to be destroyed".

[CornFed]

Perhaps I'm unaccustomed to looking at "poop swastikas", but i seriously don't see anything in the picture you posted.  Nonetheless, I presume it's there, but do they even know who actually put it there?  It is not terribly uncommon for the person reporting the hate crime to have perpetrated the act themselves.  But even if one of the activists did that in this case, I understand that there are plenty of proven incidents around the country to use as examples.  It just seems these episodes always start at DefCon5.  The point is made that there is a long history of tension starting with people feeling minimalized or mistreated in many fairly minor ways and when they take their concerns to the appropriate authority they do not feel their issues are being taken seriously enough.  So then all hell breaks loose.

I mean, the situation at Yale arose because the wife of the resident professor sent out an email essentially saying that Yale students are adults and should not be instructed about proper Halloween costumes.  The dean of a women's college a while back was threatened with the loss of her position for trying to offer a message that I'm sure she thought was a healing ideal that "All lives matter", which we know now is like throwing gasoline on a fire.

Also, as an aside, I just have to say that the idea that "you're either with us or you're with the oppressors" is an utter pile of horseshit.  In retrospect I detest that bastard Bruce Franklin who argued that case back in 1970 and 1971 when I was a freshman.  I was against the war in Vietnam but I couldn't bring myself to destroy campus property, which was what those jerks wanted to do to make their useless point.

This whole social justice movement is in danger of invalidating itself with me because it substitutes volume for reason, rancor for rationale.  They are willing to invalidate everyone else's rights in the misbegotten notion that somehow it will restore theirs.  The movement is beginning to be similar to McCarthyism.  "If you don't believe in things like I believe, then you're evil and have to be destroyed".

[BostonCard]

Perhaps I'm unaccustomed to looking at "poop swastikas", but i seriously don't see anything in the picture you posted. 

The picture was pixelated.  If you scroll down you can see an unpixelated version.  Or you can just read the police report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/289392992/Mizz...ice-Report

Page 4 has the description: "A Swastica was drawn on the wall using feces"

BC

[BostonCard]

Perhaps I'm unaccustomed to looking at "poop swastikas", but i seriously don't see anything in the picture you posted. 

The picture was pixelated.  If you scroll down you can see an unpixelated version.  Or you can just read the police report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/289392992/Mizz...ice-Report

Page 4 has the description: "A Swastica was drawn on the wall using feces"

BC

[martyup]

[quote author=CornFed link=topic=13558.msg141211#msg141211 date=1447396537]
Perhaps I'm unaccustomed to looking at "poop swastikas", but i seriously don't see anything in the picture you posted. 

The picture was pixelated.  If you scroll down you can see an unpixelated version.  Or you can just read the police report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/289392992/Mizz...ice-Report

Page 4 has the description: "A Swastica was drawn on the wall using feces"

BC
[/quote]

Well, there it is.  Cancel all exams, give all students straight As, waive all student loans, and make tuition a thing of the past.

[martyup]

[quote author=CornFed link=topic=13558.msg141211#msg141211 date=1447396537]
Perhaps I'm unaccustomed to looking at "poop swastikas", but i seriously don't see anything in the picture you posted. 

The picture was pixelated.  If you scroll down you can see an unpixelated version.  Or you can just read the police report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/289392992/Mizz...ice-Report

Page 4 has the description: "A Swastica was drawn on the wall using feces"

BC
[/quote]

Well, there it is.  Cancel all exams, give all students straight As, waive all student loans, and make tuition a thing of the past.

[Kathy]

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/11/13/...ail+digest

[Kathy]

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/11/13/...ail+digest