[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=16219.msg181503#msg181503 date=1480812537]
Well, the Big 10 is going to start in 10 min.  MWC as well?

ACC.

But VaTech doesn't seem to be putting up much of a fight...
[/quote]

VaTech going high-beta to try to get back into it... a fake punt and a half-back option. And they score on this drive.

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=16219.msg181503#msg181503 date=1480812537]
Well, the Big 10 is going to start in 10 min.  MWC as well?

ACC.

But VaTech doesn't seem to be putting up much of a fight...
[/quote]

VaTech going high-beta to try to get back into it... a fake punt and a half-back option. And they score on this drive.

[HisKneeWasDown]

Another turnover for PSU. Making the CFP committee's job easy (I think).

[HisKneeWasDown]

Another turnover for PSU. Making the CFP committee's job easy (I think).

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=HisKneeWasDown link=topic=16219.msg181506#msg181506 date=1480815595]
[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=16219.msg181503#msg181503 date=1480812537]
Well, the Big 10 is going to start in 10 min.  MWC as well?

ACC.

But VaTech doesn't seem to be putting up much of a fight...
[/quote]

VaTech going high-beta to try to get back into it... a fake punt and a half-back option. And they score on this drive.
[/quote]

VaTech forces Clemson to punt twice. Final possession of the 1st half, down by 7. Maybe they can score and go into the locker room tied.

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=HisKneeWasDown link=topic=16219.msg181506#msg181506 date=1480815595]
[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=16219.msg181503#msg181503 date=1480812537]
Well, the Big 10 is going to start in 10 min.  MWC as well?

ACC.

But VaTech doesn't seem to be putting up much of a fight...
[/quote]

VaTech going high-beta to try to get back into it... a fake punt and a half-back option. And they score on this drive.
[/quote]

VaTech forces Clemson to punt twice. Final possession of the 1st half, down by 7. Maybe they can score and go into the locker room tied.

[OutsiderFan]

Wisconsin is the team Shaw wants Stanford to be.  Really impressed with how they are playing. 

[OutsiderFan]

Wisconsin is the team Shaw wants Stanford to be.  Really impressed with how they are playing. 

[HisKneeWasDown]

TV announcers continue to say it's not clear if Michigan or Washington deserve the 4th playoff spot.

I think we need Clemson to lose.

[HisKneeWasDown]

TV announcers continue to say it's not clear if Michigan or Washington deserve the 4th playoff spot.

I think we need Clemson to lose.

[JJJ]

TV announcers continue to say it's not clear if Michigan or Washington deserve the 4th playoff spot.

I think we need Clemson to lose.

Interestingly CARDboard Pick'em Expert Chantel Jennings thinks UW is #3.

https://twitter.com/ChantelJennings/stat...8275055616

[JJJ]

TV announcers continue to say it's not clear if Michigan or Washington deserve the 4th playoff spot.

I think we need Clemson to lose.

Interestingly CARDboard Pick'em Expert Chantel Jennings thinks UW is #3.

https://twitter.com/ChantelJennings/stat...8275055616

[OutsiderFan]

Penn State showing they aren't gonna lie down.  Down 28-7, tied at 28, and now anyone's game.  Finally, a good conference championship contest. 

[OutsiderFan]

Penn State showing they aren't gonna lie down.  Down 28-7, tied at 28, and now anyone's game.  Finally, a good conference championship contest. 

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=HisKneeWasDown link=topic=16219.msg181518#msg181518 date=1480823051]
TV announcers continue to say it's not clear if Michigan or Washington deserve the 4th playoff spot.

I think we need Clemson to lose.

Interestingly CARDboard Pick'em Expert Chantel Jennings thinks UW is #3.

https://twitter.com/ChantelJennings/stat...8275055616
[/quote]

Oh it would be nice to avoid Alabama.

Then again, I believe Alabama is over-rated and I relish the opportunity for UW to prove it.

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=HisKneeWasDown link=topic=16219.msg181518#msg181518 date=1480823051]
TV announcers continue to say it's not clear if Michigan or Washington deserve the 4th playoff spot.

I think we need Clemson to lose.

Interestingly CARDboard Pick'em Expert Chantel Jennings thinks UW is #3.

https://twitter.com/ChantelJennings/stat...8275055616
[/quote]

Oh it would be nice to avoid Alabama.

Then again, I believe Alabama is over-rated and I relish the opportunity for UW to prove it.

[HisKneeWasDown]

Penn State showing they aren't gonna lie down.  Down 28-7, tied at 28, and now anyone's game.  Finally, a good conference championship contest. 

And they just held Wisconsin to a FG. Yes, turning out to be a good game.

[HisKneeWasDown]

Penn State showing they aren't gonna lie down.  Down 28-7, tied at 28, and now anyone's game.  Finally, a good conference championship contest. 

And they just held Wisconsin to a FG. Yes, turning out to be a good game.

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=16219.msg181521#msg181521 date=1480823643]
Penn State showing they aren't gonna lie down.  Down 28-7, tied at 28, and now anyone's game.  Finally, a good conference championship contest. 

And they just held Wisconsin to a FG. Yes, turning out to be a good game.
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And they just scored a TD to take the lead!

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=16219.msg181521#msg181521 date=1480823643]
Penn State showing they aren't gonna lie down.  Down 28-7, tied at 28, and now anyone's game.  Finally, a good conference championship contest. 

And they just held Wisconsin to a FG. Yes, turning out to be a good game.
[/quote]

And they just scored a TD to take the lead!

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=HisKneeWasDown link=topic=16219.msg181524#msg181524 date=1480823856]
[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=16219.msg181521#msg181521 date=1480823643]
Penn State showing they aren't gonna lie down.  Down 28-7, tied at 28, and now anyone's game.  Finally, a good conference championship contest. 

And they just held Wisconsin to a FG. Yes, turning out to be a good game.
[/quote]

And they just scored a TD to take the lead!
[/quote]

Plus a FG to take a 7 point lead.

Again, announcers mumbling that the winner might go to the CFP.

Really need Clemson to lose... Go Hokies!

[HisKneeWasDown]

[quote author=HisKneeWasDown link=topic=16219.msg181524#msg181524 date=1480823856]
[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=16219.msg181521#msg181521 date=1480823643]
Penn State showing they aren't gonna lie down.  Down 28-7, tied at 28, and now anyone's game.  Finally, a good conference championship contest. 

And they just held Wisconsin to a FG. Yes, turning out to be a good game.
[/quote]

And they just scored a TD to take the lead!
[/quote]

Plus a FG to take a 7 point lead.

Again, announcers mumbling that the winner might go to the CFP.

Really need Clemson to lose... Go Hokies!

[BostonCard]

I doubt the committee leaves UW out at 12-1 and PAC-12 conference champions, and wins over Stanford, WSU, Utah, and Colorado... a couple by blowouts.

BC

[BostonCard]

I doubt the committee leaves UW out at 12-1 and PAC-12 conference champions, and wins over Stanford, WSU, Utah, and Colorado... a couple by blowouts.

BC

[HisKneeWasDown]

Both ACC and B1G games into final minutes w/ only 7 point score difference!

[HisKneeWasDown]

Both ACC and B1G games into final minutes w/ only 7 point score difference!

[HisKneeWasDown]

I doubt the committee leaves UW out at 12-1 and PAC-12 conference champions, and wins over Stanford, WSU, Utah, and Colorado... a couple by blowouts.

BC

I agree it's hard to move someone down from #4 if they won their conf championship by a wide margin.

But if Penn State wins (and it looks like they will), people will argue they should move up because they won *their* conf championship, their conf is stronger than the Pac-12 (which I believe), and they beat the #2 team head-to-head.

[HisKneeWasDown]

I doubt the committee leaves UW out at 12-1 and PAC-12 conference champions, and wins over Stanford, WSU, Utah, and Colorado... a couple by blowouts.

BC

I agree it's hard to move someone down from #4 if they won their conf championship by a wide margin.

But if Penn State wins (and it looks like they will), people will argue they should move up because they won *their* conf championship, their conf is stronger than the Pac-12 (which I believe), and they beat the #2 team head-to-head.

[stupac2]

There's an easy solution to this problem: leave OSU out.

Frankly I'm happy with this outcome, it finally gives the committee a legitimately difficult decision to make. Hopefully they leave out OSU which pisses off enough people that we get 8 earlier than the stupidly long CFP contract.

[stupac2]

There's an easy solution to this problem: leave OSU out.

Frankly I'm happy with this outcome, it finally gives the committee a legitimately difficult decision to make. Hopefully they leave out OSU which pisses off enough people that we get 8 earlier than the stupidly long CFP contract.

[BostonCard]

Then they should move #3 Clemson up to #2 now that they won the ACC championship, move UW up to #3, now that they are PAC-12 Champions, and move Penn State up to #4 now that they are B-one-G champs.  The Ohio State University can fall to #5, behind the team that beat them head-to-head.

BC

[BostonCard]

Then they should move #3 Clemson up to #2 now that they won the ACC championship, move UW up to #3, now that they are PAC-12 Champions, and move Penn State up to #4 now that they are B-one-G champs.  The Ohio State University can fall to #5, behind the team that beat them head-to-head.

BC

[TreesAndBirds]

If I remember right, last year the committee left out a 2 loss conference winner whose out of conference schedule included two teams that were 10-2. Penn State's resume this year seems similar. It's annoying though that Washington played such a weak OOC schedule and will probably get in.

[TreesAndBirds]

If I remember right, last year the committee left out a 2 loss conference winner whose out of conference schedule included two teams that were 10-2. Penn State's resume this year seems similar. It's annoying though that Washington played such a weak OOC schedule and will probably get in.

[HisKneeWasDown]

Watching Sportscenter. Their job is to generate ratings of course, but:

Rece Davis and Chris Fowler and Booger McFarland have Washington at #4.
Kirk Herbstreit has Penn State at #4.

[HisKneeWasDown]

Watching Sportscenter. Their job is to generate ratings of course, but:

Rece Davis and Chris Fowler and Booger McFarland have Washington at #4.
Kirk Herbstreit has Penn State at #4.

[HisKneeWasDown]

and I hate this talk about Washington's non-conference schedule. Why isn't anyone talking about Alabama playing W. Kentucky, Kent State and Chattanooga (on week 11?!?!), and only playing 8 conference games (OK they beat USC...)

And Ohio State and Penn State had to play that same stupid Rutgers team as Washington; why aren't there schedules discounted?

Again, people keep discounting the Pac-12, as if beating Stanford, Utah, Washington State and Colorado aren't worth anything.

[HisKneeWasDown]

and I hate this talk about Washington's non-conference schedule. Why isn't anyone talking about Alabama playing W. Kentucky, Kent State and Chattanooga (on week 11?!?!), and only playing 8 conference games (OK they beat USC...)

And Ohio State and Penn State had to play that same stupid Rutgers team as Washington; why aren't there schedules discounted?

Again, people keep discounting the Pac-12, as if beating Stanford, Utah, Washington State and Colorado aren't worth anything.

[DC 86]

If I remember right, last year the committee left out a 2 loss conference winner whose out of conference schedule included two teams that were 10-2.

Last year the committee left out a 2-loss conference champion, but not in favor of a team from their same conference that didn't even win their division and had lost to them head-to-head.

Stanford being left out last year was unfortunate, but the other four conference champions were deemed to be more deserving. Ohio State being selected ahead of Penn State would be a horrible precedent and a direct contradiction of the committee's stated criteria.

For me it should be 1) Alabama, 2) Clemson, 3) Washington, 4) Penn State, 5) Ohio State, 6) Michigan. I see the argument for switching 3 and 4, but 5 or 6 making the playoff would be disappointing.

[DC 86]

If I remember right, last year the committee left out a 2 loss conference winner whose out of conference schedule included two teams that were 10-2.

Last year the committee left out a 2-loss conference champion, but not in favor of a team from their same conference that didn't even win their division and had lost to them head-to-head.

Stanford being left out last year was unfortunate, but the other four conference champions were deemed to be more deserving. Ohio State being selected ahead of Penn State would be a horrible precedent and a direct contradiction of the committee's stated criteria.

For me it should be 1) Alabama, 2) Clemson, 3) Washington, 4) Penn State, 5) Ohio State, 6) Michigan. I see the argument for switching 3 and 4, but 5 or 6 making the playoff would be disappointing.