[BostonCard]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Shaw already knows that Mills is the second coming of Andrew Luck and that Mills will be his quarterback next year.  Would that in any way affect Shaw's behavior this year, who he plays between Chryst and Costello, etc.?

If he is the second coming of Andrew Luck, why make the same mistake Harbaugh made with Luck.  If he's that good, play him now.

BC

[BostonCard]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Shaw already knows that Mills is the second coming of Andrew Luck and that Mills will be his quarterback next year.  Would that in any way affect Shaw's behavior this year, who he plays between Chryst and Costello, etc.?

If he is the second coming of Andrew Luck, why make the same mistake Harbaugh made with Luck.  If he's that good, play him now.

BC

[82lsju]

[quote author=81alum link=topic=17804.msg208795#msg208795 date=1509163785]
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Shaw already knows that Mills is the second coming of Andrew Luck and that Mills will be his quarterback next year.  Would that in any way affect Shaw's behavior this year, who he plays between Chryst and Costello, etc.?

If he is the second coming of Andrew Luck, why make the same mistake Harbaugh made with Luck.  If he's that good, play him now.

BC
[/quote]

didn't Mills hurt his knee in a high school playoff game last fall?  if my vague recollection is correct he may not be 100% ready to play.

[82lsju]

[quote author=81alum link=topic=17804.msg208795#msg208795 date=1509163785]
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Shaw already knows that Mills is the second coming of Andrew Luck and that Mills will be his quarterback next year.  Would that in any way affect Shaw's behavior this year, who he plays between Chryst and Costello, etc.?

If he is the second coming of Andrew Luck, why make the same mistake Harbaugh made with Luck.  If he's that good, play him now.

BC
[/quote]

didn't Mills hurt his knee in a high school playoff game last fall?  if my vague recollection is correct he may not be 100% ready to play.

[JohnR34231]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17804.msg208797#msg208797 date=1509163857]
[quote author=81alum link=topic=17804.msg208795#msg208795 date=1509163785]
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Shaw already knows that Mills is the second coming of Andrew Luck and that Mills will be his quarterback next year.  Would that in any way affect Shaw's behavior this year, who he plays between Chryst and Costello, etc.?

If he is the second coming of Andrew Luck, why make the same mistake Harbaugh made with Luck.  If he's that good, play him now.

BC
[/quote]

didn't Mills hurt his knee in a high school playoff game last fall?  if my vague recollection is correct he may not be 100% ready to play.
[/quote]

Mills hurt his knee in a non football related incident before the start of his senior season. He recovered faster than was expected and only missed a couple of games at the beginning of the year. He then reinjured it in the state championship game. Supposedly he could have gone back in but was held out for precautionary purposes (sound familiar?). He did skip participating in the Army All American game because of it. Somebody had posted that it was still bothering him at the beginning of fall practice and he wasn't participating. OF said he saw him in uniform on the sideline of one game (Oregon I think) so perhaps we can assume from that he is OK now.

[JohnR34231]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17804.msg208797#msg208797 date=1509163857]
[quote author=81alum link=topic=17804.msg208795#msg208795 date=1509163785]
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Shaw already knows that Mills is the second coming of Andrew Luck and that Mills will be his quarterback next year.  Would that in any way affect Shaw's behavior this year, who he plays between Chryst and Costello, etc.?

If he is the second coming of Andrew Luck, why make the same mistake Harbaugh made with Luck.  If he's that good, play him now.

BC
[/quote]

didn't Mills hurt his knee in a high school playoff game last fall?  if my vague recollection is correct he may not be 100% ready to play.
[/quote]

Mills hurt his knee in a non football related incident before the start of his senior season. He recovered faster than was expected and only missed a couple of games at the beginning of the year. He then reinjured it in the state championship game. Supposedly he could have gone back in but was held out for precautionary purposes (sound familiar?). He did skip participating in the Army All American game because of it. Somebody had posted that it was still bothering him at the beginning of fall practice and he wasn't participating. OF said he saw him in uniform on the sideline of one game (Oregon I think) so perhaps we can assume from that he is OK now.

[Hurlburt88]

He did.  I believe I heard he is now recovered, yet I think this is moot in terms of redshirting.    The KC and possibly KJ show for this year

[Hurlburt88]

He did.  I believe I heard he is now recovered, yet I think this is moot in terms of redshirting.    The KC and possibly KJ show for this year

[Phogge]

Mills participated in pregame before the first home game. Only me and FBorg care about watching warmups. Don't know about game two since I was chasing a story in Qatar.

[Phogge]

Mills participated in pregame before the first home game. Only me and FBorg care about watching warmups. Don't know about game two since I was chasing a story in Qatar.

[slide]

[quote author=slide link=topic=17804.msg208751#msg208751 date=1509148388]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17804.msg208698#msg208698 date=1509127738]
I think slide might have.  He's out in Georgia.

BC

only once in person as a JR iirc.  I watched a lot of his SR games on tv.  very high on him.  really good pocket presence, good release, throws receivers only, doesn't force the ball (i.e. avoids INTs).  I just hope he is and can stay healthy.
[/quote]

I assume that's supposed to be "open", correct?
[/quote]

yes, open.  sorry

[slide]

[quote author=slide link=topic=17804.msg208751#msg208751 date=1509148388]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17804.msg208698#msg208698 date=1509127738]
I think slide might have.  He's out in Georgia.

BC

only once in person as a JR iirc.  I watched a lot of his SR games on tv.  very high on him.  really good pocket presence, good release, throws receivers only, doesn't force the ball (i.e. avoids INTs).  I just hope he is and can stay healthy.
[/quote]

I assume that's supposed to be "open", correct?
[/quote]

yes, open.  sorry

[CompSci87]

I saw Mills in uniform on the sideline for OSU.

[CompSci87]

I saw Mills in uniform on the sideline for OSU.

[OutsiderFan]

I saw Mills in uniform on the sideline for OSU.

Time for people going to the games to start looking for #15 in warmups. 

[OutsiderFan]

I saw Mills in uniform on the sideline for OSU.

Time for people going to the games to start looking for #15 in warmups. 

[lex24]

I have wondered about that. Along with his comment about KC perhaps leaving for NFL.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Shaw already knows that Mills is the second coming of Andrew Luck and that Mills will be his quarterback next year.  Would that in any way affect Shaw's behavior this year, who he plays between Chryst and Costello, etc.?

[lex24]

I have wondered about that. Along with his comment about KC perhaps leaving for NFL.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Shaw already knows that Mills is the second coming of Andrew Luck and that Mills will be his quarterback next year.  Would that in any way affect Shaw's behavior this year, who he plays between Chryst and Costello, etc.?

[winflop]

Time for people going to the games to start looking for #15 in warmups.

No chance. Doubtful he's learned enough of the playbook and Shaw wouldn't burn his redshirt.

And there is no "next Andrew Luck." Luck was a once-in-a-generation talent. We need to stop wanting the next Andrew Luck cuz he ain't coming any time soon.

[winflop]

Time for people going to the games to start looking for #15 in warmups.

No chance. Doubtful he's learned enough of the playbook and Shaw wouldn't burn his redshirt.

And there is no "next Andrew Luck." Luck was a once-in-a-generation talent. We need to stop wanting the next Andrew Luck cuz he ain't coming any time soon.

[Phogge]

Outsider's comment was clear that it was time to watch Mills in warmups not to watch him warmup to go in.

[Phogge]

Outsider's comment was clear that it was time to watch Mills in warmups not to watch him warmup to go in.

[Bruce Wang]

And there is no "next Andrew Luck." Luck was a once-in-a-generation talent. We need to stop wanting the next Andrew Luck cuz he ain't coming any time soon.

That's what I thought of Toby and then CMac, and now Love.

[Bruce Wang]

And there is no "next Andrew Luck." Luck was a once-in-a-generation talent. We need to stop wanting the next Andrew Luck cuz he ain't coming any time soon.

That's what I thought of Toby and then CMac, and now Love.

[TreesAndBirds]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg209042#msg209042 date=1509255321]
And there is no "next Andrew Luck." Luck was a once-in-a-generation talent. We need to stop wanting the next Andrew Luck cuz he ain't coming any time soon.

That's what I thought of Toby and then CMac, and now Love.
[/quote]

Weird world....we're having a lot of once in a generation hurricanes also.

[TreesAndBirds]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg209042#msg209042 date=1509255321]
And there is no "next Andrew Luck." Luck was a once-in-a-generation talent. We need to stop wanting the next Andrew Luck cuz he ain't coming any time soon.

That's what I thought of Toby and then CMac, and now Love.
[/quote]

Weird world....we're having a lot of once in a generation hurricanes also.

[cctop]

[quote author=Publius link=topic=17804.msg209187#msg209187 date=1509321913]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg209042#msg209042 date=1509255321]
And there is no "next Andrew Luck." Luck was a once-in-a-generation talent. We need to stop wanting the next Andrew Luck cuz he ain't coming any time soon.

That's what I thought of Toby and then CMac, and now Love.
[/quote]

Weird world....we're having a lot of once in a generation hurricanes also.
[/quote]

But would anbody argue that Stanford recruiting is within historical norms and is not anthropogenic?

[cctop]

[quote author=Publius link=topic=17804.msg209187#msg209187 date=1509321913]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg209042#msg209042 date=1509255321]
And there is no "next Andrew Luck." Luck was a once-in-a-generation talent. We need to stop wanting the next Andrew Luck cuz he ain't coming any time soon.

That's what I thought of Toby and then CMac, and now Love.
[/quote]

Weird world....we're having a lot of once in a generation hurricanes also.
[/quote]

But would anbody argue that Stanford recruiting is within historical norms and is not anthropogenic?

[Beeg_Dawg]

[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.

[Beeg_Dawg]

[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.

[BostonCard]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg208787#msg208787 date=1509161619]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.
[/quote]

I mean, UCLA is 4-4 with games left against Utah, ASU, USC, and Cal; it seems likely that they will be headed to a 6-6 season, with Josh Rosen as QB.  So yeah, Chryst could easily be a sub-six win QB.  Trent Edwards was a third-round draft pick; in his best year he was 5-6.  Jared Goff was the first pick of the draft and went 1-11 in his first year at Cal (lifetime record at Cal 14-23).  Bottom line is that without a decent supporting cast, even an NFL caliber QB can have a sub-six win season, and although Shaw has been quoted as saying he thinks Chryst could go in the NFL draft this year... I have my doubts.

BC

[BostonCard]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg208787#msg208787 date=1509161619]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.
[/quote]

I mean, UCLA is 4-4 with games left against Utah, ASU, USC, and Cal; it seems likely that they will be headed to a 6-6 season, with Josh Rosen as QB.  So yeah, Chryst could easily be a sub-six win QB.  Trent Edwards was a third-round draft pick; in his best year he was 5-6.  Jared Goff was the first pick of the draft and went 1-11 in his first year at Cal (lifetime record at Cal 14-23).  Bottom line is that without a decent supporting cast, even an NFL caliber QB can have a sub-six win season, and although Shaw has been quoted as saying he thinks Chryst could go in the NFL draft this year... I have my doubts.

BC

[Mick]

[quote author=BeegDawg link=topic=17804.msg209255#msg209255 date=1509345211]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg208787#msg208787 date=1509161619]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.
[/quote]

I mean, UCLA is 4-4 with games left against Utah, ASU, U$C, and ןɐɔ; it seems likely that they will be headed to a 6-6 season, with Josh Rosen as QB.  So yeah, Chryst could easily be a sub-six win QB.  Trent Edwards was a third-round draft pick; in his best year he was 5-6.  Jared Goff was the first pick of the draft and went 1-11 in his first year at ןɐɔ (lifetime record at ןɐɔ 14-23).  Bottom line is that without a decent supporting cast, even an NFL caliber QB can have a sub-six win season, and although Shaw has been quoted as saying he thinks Chryst could go in the NFL draft this year... I have my doubts.

BC
[/quote]

John Elway

1979  5-5-1
1980  6-5
1981  4-7
1982  5-6  6-5

Fixed it.

[Mick]

[quote author=BeegDawg link=topic=17804.msg209255#msg209255 date=1509345211]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg208787#msg208787 date=1509161619]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.
[/quote]

I mean, UCLA is 4-4 with games left against Utah, ASU, U$C, and ןɐɔ; it seems likely that they will be headed to a 6-6 season, with Josh Rosen as QB.  So yeah, Chryst could easily be a sub-six win QB.  Trent Edwards was a third-round draft pick; in his best year he was 5-6.  Jared Goff was the first pick of the draft and went 1-11 in his first year at ןɐɔ (lifetime record at ןɐɔ 14-23).  Bottom line is that without a decent supporting cast, even an NFL caliber QB can have a sub-six win season, and although Shaw has been quoted as saying he thinks Chryst could go in the NFL draft this year... I have my doubts.

BC
[/quote]

John Elway

1979  5-5-1
1980  6-5
1981  4-7
1982  5-6  6-5

Fixed it.

[BostonCard]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17804.msg209256#msg209256 date=1509345856]
[quote author=BeegDawg link=topic=17804.msg209255#msg209255 date=1509345211]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg208787#msg208787 date=1509161619]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.
[/quote]

I mean, UCLA is 4-4 with games left against Utah, ASU, U$C, and ןɐɔ; it seems likely that they will be headed to a 6-6 season, with Josh Rosen as QB.  So yeah, Chryst could easily be a sub-six win QB.  Trent Edwards was a third-round draft pick; in his best year he was 5-6.  Jared Goff was the first pick of the draft and went 1-11 in his first year at ןɐɔ (lifetime record at ןɐɔ 14-23).  Bottom line is that without a decent supporting cast, even an NFL caliber QB can have a sub-six win season, and although Shaw has been quoted as saying he thinks Chryst could go in the NFL draft this year... I have my doubts.

BC
[/quote]

John Elway

1979  5-5-1
1980  6-5
1981  4-7
1982  5-6
[/quote]

Right.  Duh!

BC

[BostonCard]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17804.msg209256#msg209256 date=1509345856]
[quote author=BeegDawg link=topic=17804.msg209255#msg209255 date=1509345211]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg208787#msg208787 date=1509161619]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.
[/quote]

I mean, UCLA is 4-4 with games left against Utah, ASU, U$C, and ןɐɔ; it seems likely that they will be headed to a 6-6 season, with Josh Rosen as QB.  So yeah, Chryst could easily be a sub-six win QB.  Trent Edwards was a third-round draft pick; in his best year he was 5-6.  Jared Goff was the first pick of the draft and went 1-11 in his first year at ןɐɔ (lifetime record at ןɐɔ 14-23).  Bottom line is that without a decent supporting cast, even an NFL caliber QB can have a sub-six win season, and although Shaw has been quoted as saying he thinks Chryst could go in the NFL draft this year... I have my doubts.

BC
[/quote]

John Elway

1979  5-5-1
1980  6-5
1981  4-7
1982  5-6
[/quote]

Right.  Duh!

BC

[pefloresjr]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17804.msg209256#msg209256 date=1509345856]
[quote author=BeegDawg link=topic=17804.msg209255#msg209255 date=1509345211]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg208787#msg208787 date=1509161619]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.
[/quote]

I mean, UCLA is 4-4 with games left against Utah, ASU, U$C, and ןɐɔ; it seems likely that they will be headed to a 6-6 season, with Josh Rosen as QB.  So yeah, Chryst could easily be a sub-six win QB.  Trent Edwards was a third-round draft pick; in his best year he was 5-6.  Jared Goff was the first pick of the draft and went 1-11 in his first year at ןɐɔ (lifetime record at ןɐɔ 14-23).  Bottom line is that without a decent supporting cast, even an NFL caliber QB can have a sub-six win season, and although Shaw has been quoted as saying he thinks Chryst could go in the NFL draft this year... I have my doubts.

BC
[/quote]

John Elway

1979  5-5-1
1980  6-5
1981  4-7
1982  5-6
[/quote]

Stanford's record in 1982 should be 6-5.  I saw the score of Big Game on The Axe in the Home of Champions just last week.  :D

Cheers,
Pete F.

[pefloresjr]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17804.msg209256#msg209256 date=1509345856]
[quote author=BeegDawg link=topic=17804.msg209255#msg209255 date=1509345211]
[quote author=winflop link=topic=17804.msg208787#msg208787 date=1509161619]
[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17804.msg208703#msg208703 date=1509129330]
I think Shaw's QB development problem is a bit more subtle: he seems to have great quarterbacks, bad quarterbacks, and no in-between.

I respectfully disagree. Chryst is a mediocre QB. He can lead this team to an 8- or 9-win season but that's the top end. And doubtful a team he leads would win fewer than 6.
[/quote]

Respectfully disagree.  Without CMac/Bryce Love, it is very easy to visualize Chryst with fewer than 6 wins.
[/quote]

I mean, UCLA is 4-4 with games left against Utah, ASU, U$C, and ןɐɔ; it seems likely that they will be headed to a 6-6 season, with Josh Rosen as QB.  So yeah, Chryst could easily be a sub-six win QB.  Trent Edwards was a third-round draft pick; in his best year he was 5-6.  Jared Goff was the first pick of the draft and went 1-11 in his first year at ןɐɔ (lifetime record at ןɐɔ 14-23).  Bottom line is that without a decent supporting cast, even an NFL caliber QB can have a sub-six win season, and although Shaw has been quoted as saying he thinks Chryst could go in the NFL draft this year... I have my doubts.

BC
[/quote]

John Elway

1979  5-5-1
1980  6-5
1981  4-7
1982  5-6
[/quote]

Stanford's record in 1982 should be 6-5.  I saw the score of Big Game on The Axe in the Home of Champions just last week.  :D

Cheers,
Pete F.

[Hurlburt88]

Hear hear!  Let’s be consistent in these things!

[Hurlburt88]

Hear hear!  Let’s be consistent in these things!