[cardcrimson]

The fairness of the Stanford student athlete getting a more valuable scholarship than the San Jose St athlete is that he/she earned it by getting admitted to Stanford.

And so too would a San Jose State athlete being paid endorsement money have earned their right to be paid as well. Maybe that athlete decided it was more valuable to spend time honing his athletic skills than studying Calculus?  And who is anyone to say that whoever did this is somehow less deserving of being given something of value than a Stanford athlete who did spend more time on Calculus?

The difference is simple -- student athletes versus professional athletes.

OK, I'll agree as soon as schools stop profiting on the backs of people they don't pay.

I'm baffled. Agree to what?

I'm almost as perplexed by your comment that schools profit on the backs of people they don't pay. . . .

[cardcrimson]

The fairness of the Stanford student athlete getting a more valuable scholarship than the San Jose St athlete is that he/she earned it by getting admitted to Stanford.

And so too would a San Jose State athlete being paid endorsement money have earned their right to be paid as well. Maybe that athlete decided it was more valuable to spend time honing his athletic skills than studying Calculus?  And who is anyone to say that whoever did this is somehow less deserving of being given something of value than a Stanford athlete who did spend more time on Calculus?

The difference is simple -- student athletes versus professional athletes.

OK, I'll agree as soon as schools stop profiting on the backs of people they don't pay.

I'm baffled. Agree to what?

I'm almost as perplexed by your comment that schools profit on the backs of people they don't pay. . . .

[OutsiderFan]

I will agree college athletes shouldn't earn compensation as soon as the universities profiting off them don't try earning money off of them.

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I'm not arguing a college scholarship isn't valuable. The issue is people having their rights to earn whatever they can, taken away and given to someone else. If the end result of allowing athletes to earn money for their NIL ends up reducing the number of schools seriously competing for championships to 40 or whatever, so be it. If that's what the market is, that's what it is. 

The other alternative is collective bargaining, where athletes unionize in their respective sports and agree to working conditions and compensation frameworks that can limit what someone can be paid by consent.

[OutsiderFan]

I will agree college athletes shouldn't earn compensation as soon as the universities profiting off them don't try earning money off of them.

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I'm not arguing a college scholarship isn't valuable. The issue is people having their rights to earn whatever they can, taken away and given to someone else. If the end result of allowing athletes to earn money for their NIL ends up reducing the number of schools seriously competing for championships to 40 or whatever, so be it. If that's what the market is, that's what it is. 

The other alternative is collective bargaining, where athletes unionize in their respective sports and agree to working conditions and compensation frameworks that can limit what someone can be paid by consent.

[CowboyIndian]

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I feel you.

[CowboyIndian]

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I feel you.

[cardcrimson]

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I'm curious, I wonder how many "student athletes" believe they were truly exploited.

FWIW, I really hope a top tier university exploits my daughter with a full ride scholarship.

[cardcrimson]

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I'm curious, I wonder how many "student athletes" believe they were truly exploited.

FWIW, I really hope a top tier university exploits my daughter with a full ride scholarship.

[Mick]

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I'm curious, I wonder how many "student athletes" believe they were truly exploited.

FWIW, I really hope a top tier university exploits my daughter with a full ride scholarship.

It isn't just the scholarship, it's the admissions acceptance from schools ordinarily considered to difficult to gain admission.  When my son was in 8th grade, I contacted the following selective to highly selective universities, all of which had men's volleyball programs: Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UC-San Diego, NYU, UC-Santa Barbara, UC-Irvine, UC-Santa Cruz.  11 of the 12 coaches responded to my e-mails.  Athletics helps a student gain admission, which, for the 99.99% who won't make their living in athletics, is particularly important.  What parent wouldn't want their child to attend a school that is a standard deviation better than they might otherwise expect?

[Mick]

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I'm curious, I wonder how many "student athletes" believe they were truly exploited.

FWIW, I really hope a top tier university exploits my daughter with a full ride scholarship.

It isn't just the scholarship, it's the admissions acceptance from schools ordinarily considered to difficult to gain admission.  When my son was in 8th grade, I contacted the following selective to highly selective universities, all of which had men's volleyball programs: Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UC-San Diego, NYU, UC-Santa Barbara, UC-Irvine, UC-Santa Cruz.  11 of the 12 coaches responded to my e-mails.  Athletics helps a student gain admission, which, for the 99.99% who won't make their living in athletics, is particularly important.  What parent wouldn't want their child to attend a school that is a standard deviation better than they might otherwise expect?

[2006alum]

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I'm curious, I wonder how many "student athletes" believe they were truly exploited.

FWIW, I really hope a top tier university exploits my daughter with a full ride scholarship.

It isn't just the scholarship, it's the admissions acceptance from schools ordinarily considered to difficult to gain admission.  When my son was in 8th grade, I contacted the following selective to highly selective universities, all of which had men's volleyball programs: Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UC-San Diego, NYU, UC-Santa Barbara, UC-Irvine, UC-Santa Cruz.  11 of the 12 coaches responded to my e-mails.  Athletics helps a student gain admission, which, for the 99.99% who won't make their living in athletics, is particularly important.  What parent wouldn't want their child to attend a school that is a standard deviation better than they might otherwise expect?

Indeed. It seems to me that this sixteen (and counting)-page thread on rich parents trying to transform their children into "student athletes" for admissions purposes is suggestive of the fact that being a student-athlete applicant is a privilege so valuable some were willing to pay millions of dollars to have it bestowed upon them...

[2006alum]

The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to make exploiting athletes sound more palpable.

I'm curious, I wonder how many "student athletes" believe they were truly exploited.

FWIW, I really hope a top tier university exploits my daughter with a full ride scholarship.

It isn't just the scholarship, it's the admissions acceptance from schools ordinarily considered to difficult to gain admission.  When my son was in 8th grade, I contacted the following selective to highly selective universities, all of which had men's volleyball programs: Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UC-San Diego, NYU, UC-Santa Barbara, UC-Irvine, UC-Santa Cruz.  11 of the 12 coaches responded to my e-mails.  Athletics helps a student gain admission, which, for the 99.99% who won't make their living in athletics, is particularly important.  What parent wouldn't want their child to attend a school that is a standard deviation better than they might otherwise expect?

Indeed. It seems to me that this sixteen (and counting)-page thread on rich parents trying to transform their children into "student athletes" for admissions purposes is suggestive of the fact that being a student-athlete applicant is a privilege so valuable some were willing to pay millions of dollars to have it bestowed upon them...

[oldalum]

2-minute "videotorial" by Katelyn Ohashi in the online NYTimes:

Ohashi video

includes multiple brief shots of Stanford athletes

[oldalum]

2-minute "videotorial" by Katelyn Ohashi in the online NYTimes:

Ohashi video

includes multiple brief shots of Stanford athletes

[martyup]

If she thinks her sport is so valuable, why is there no pro league for her to join?  Maybe she should start a pro gymnastics league.

The system is clearly not working and major changes need to be made.  Perhaps the CA law will, indeed, force the NCAA to adapt.

[martyup]

If she thinks her sport is so valuable, why is there no pro league for her to join?  Maybe she should start a pro gymnastics league.

The system is clearly not working and major changes need to be made.  Perhaps the CA law will, indeed, force the NCAA to adapt.

[JJJ]

2-minute "videotorial" by Katelyn Ohashi in the online NYTimes:

Ohashi video

includes multiple brief shots of Stanford athletes

Yahoo article expounding on this.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sb-206-kate...50573.html

[JJJ]

2-minute "videotorial" by Katelyn Ohashi in the online NYTimes:

Ohashi video

includes multiple brief shots of Stanford athletes

Yahoo article expounding on this.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sb-206-kate...50573.html

[cardcrimson]

2-minute "videotorial" by Katelyn Ohashi in the online NYTimes:

Ohashi video

includes multiple brief shots of Stanford athletes

Yahoo article expounding on this.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sb-206-kate...50573.html

Good for the gymnast with her video tallying 44 million views.

The Chewbacca Mom's viral video had over 140million views and she received $420,000 for the 4 minute clip. Sadly though, $400,000 was in "scholarship money" to Southeastern University. So, she netted about $20k mostly from appearance fees. So doing the math, the gymnasts video, net of scholarships, should have been worth around $6k in appearance fees. Cry me a river.

[cardcrimson]

2-minute "videotorial" by Katelyn Ohashi in the online NYTimes:

Ohashi video

includes multiple brief shots of Stanford athletes

Yahoo article expounding on this.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sb-206-kate...50573.html

Good for the gymnast with her video tallying 44 million views.

The Chewbacca Mom's viral video had over 140million views and she received $420,000 for the 4 minute clip. Sadly though, $400,000 was in "scholarship money" to Southeastern University. So, she netted about $20k mostly from appearance fees. So doing the math, the gymnasts video, net of scholarships, should have been worth around $6k in appearance fees. Cry me a river.

[CTcard]

Yahoo article expounding on this.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sb-206-kate...50573.html

Does anyone happen to know what is behind this statement in the article?

She shot to fame because of a viral video, one in which she performed a talented act and earned her institution as well as the NCAA money.

How did the NCAA earn money?
Was it direct, like ad revenue from twitter views?
Was it indirect, something like more people eventually showing up and paying admission for the NCAA Gymnastic Championships?

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As always, I sure wish people on either side of this issue would recognize that their position has its complications and downsides even if ultimately the best answer ... not that that happens for any issue in society.

[CTcard]

Yahoo article expounding on this.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sb-206-kate...50573.html

Does anyone happen to know what is behind this statement in the article?

She shot to fame because of a viral video, one in which she performed a talented act and earned her institution as well as the NCAA money.

How did the NCAA earn money?
Was it direct, like ad revenue from twitter views?
Was it indirect, something like more people eventually showing up and paying admission for the NCAA Gymnastic Championships?

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As always, I sure wish people on either side of this issue would recognize that their position has its complications and downsides even if ultimately the best answer ... not that that happens for any issue in society.

[stupac2]

Does anyone really believe that boosters at blue bloods aren't paying kids already? I always thought it was common belief that essentially no one is actually compliant, and things like the big basketball scandal show it.

[stupac2]

Does anyone really believe that boosters at blue bloods aren't paying kids already? I always thought it was common belief that essentially no one is actually compliant, and things like the big basketball scandal show it.

[martyup]

Does anyone really believe that boosters at blue bloods aren't paying kids already? I always thought it was common belief that essentially no one is actually compliant, and things like the big basketball scandal show it.

Banks get robbed every day.  That doesn't mean we should pass a law that makes it legal.

The NCAA had this coming.  If the players' rights movement kills amateur sports, blame the NCAA.

[martyup]

Does anyone really believe that boosters at blue bloods aren't paying kids already? I always thought it was common belief that essentially no one is actually compliant, and things like the big basketball scandal show it.

Banks get robbed every day.  That doesn't mean we should pass a law that makes it legal.

The NCAA had this coming.  If the players' rights movement kills amateur sports, blame the NCAA.

[Phogge]

I think a summer autograph show featuring Bama football players in Tuscaloosa or Montgomery or a session in Durham with Dookie hoopsters will generate a lot more money than a session with gymnasts in Palo Alto.

Water seeks its own level. I doubt I could make much promoting a school record holding highjumper autograph session at SF State even if that alum is Johnny Mathis.

All the handwringing and angst among schools and fans is a giant LOL. If it brings down the NCAA then hallelujah.

[Phogge]

I think a summer autograph show featuring Bama football players in Tuscaloosa or Montgomery or a session in Durham with Dookie hoopsters will generate a lot more money than a session with gymnasts in Palo Alto.

Water seeks its own level. I doubt I could make much promoting a school record holding highjumper autograph session at SF State even if that alum is Johnny Mathis.

All the handwringing and angst among schools and fans is a giant LOL. If it brings down the NCAA then hallelujah.