[JustAnotherFan]

And if there is one thing Haase has proven is that he can get a team into the top 25.

Haase's recruiting has been phenomenal, especially of late, and that should translate to wins, as soon as this coming season (if there is a season).  But he is 68-61 as a Stanford head coach in four years, has had a losing season twice, has had a winning Pac-12 record once, and has never made the NCAA tournament.  In three of four years, he has been in the bottom half of the Pac-12, even as the Pac-12 has been on a downswing.

I am as excited as anyone about Williams, Ingram, and all our recruits.  I liked what I saw last year.  But at some point, all the excitement has to translate into wins and NCAA tournaments, or it won't matter a lick.

BC

Football is the ultimate team sport (of revenue sports). Great players can help you win but culture and teamwork and coaching is even more important. That's why Harbaugh resurrected football without top recruiting classes, and it is why Shaw rode the wave back down despite being given they keys to the Lamborghini or whatever has been said before. The problem is that now Shaw is going to continue to have mediocre recruiting classes in addition to his inability to manage a game and a team and that will continue the spiral down. Since Shaw cannot seem to turn the ship on his coaching or his recruiting I don't see how folks can use his record as support for his future performance.

Basketball is not exactly the ultimate team sport. One player can make all the difference. 1 superstar in football makes only 5% of the starting roster (offense and defense) while 1 superstar in basketball is 20% of the roster. If Haase can bring in top 10 recruits each year they're at least going to be competing for Pac-12 championships each year. Something Shaw won't be doing.

[JustAnotherFan]

And if there is one thing Haase has proven is that he can get a team into the top 25.

Haase's recruiting has been phenomenal, especially of late, and that should translate to wins, as soon as this coming season (if there is a season).  But he is 68-61 as a Stanford head coach in four years, has had a losing season twice, has had a winning Pac-12 record once, and has never made the NCAA tournament.  In three of four years, he has been in the bottom half of the Pac-12, even as the Pac-12 has been on a downswing.

I am as excited as anyone about Williams, Ingram, and all our recruits.  I liked what I saw last year.  But at some point, all the excitement has to translate into wins and NCAA tournaments, or it won't matter a lick.

BC

Football is the ultimate team sport (of revenue sports). Great players can help you win but culture and teamwork and coaching is even more important. That's why Harbaugh resurrected football without top recruiting classes, and it is why Shaw rode the wave back down despite being given they keys to the Lamborghini or whatever has been said before. The problem is that now Shaw is going to continue to have mediocre recruiting classes in addition to his inability to manage a game and a team and that will continue the spiral down. Since Shaw cannot seem to turn the ship on his coaching or his recruiting I don't see how folks can use his record as support for his future performance.

Basketball is not exactly the ultimate team sport. One player can make all the difference. 1 superstar in football makes only 5% of the starting roster (offense and defense) while 1 superstar in basketball is 20% of the roster. If Haase can bring in top 10 recruits each year they're at least going to be competing for Pac-12 championships each year. Something Shaw won't be doing.

[gailtate]

He's probably kissing up. Let's not forget that he's a rich kid from OC fresh off the wealthiest school in the FBS. He wants to fit in.

That being said, are practices under Shaw bad?

I cannot say if practices are soft or bad under Shaw, but you know one thing Shaw doesn't worry about in practice is clock management.

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Harbaugh purged the culture when he arrived, tirelessly recruited the talent he needed and enjoyed the sponsorship of Bob (Football Guy) Bowlsby. Harbaugh, to use a battered cliche, was "transformative".  Then the Football Guy unhesitatingly hired the present guy, who drew oohs-and-ahs in Ferrari he inherited. This coach began to believe he could do his own maintenance and repairs. He couldn't. A great era ended. Glad I was around to be at those New Year's Bowl games, bittersweet as a couple of them were. Chances are we won't see them again until another Football Guy arrives to hire another Transformative HC. And so it goes.

Let's be honest here, who would have imagined in 2015 that the basketball team would consistently be ranked higher than the football team this coming decade? Because it will be.

It will continue to be in the absence of an AD who wants a return to elite football and hires the HC who can get it done.

Yep.  If there is one thing Shaw has proven - he can’t win.

For eight seasons I apologized faithfully and continually for this coach in response to the "he did it with another guy's players and staff" crowd. I ran out of apologies during last year's avalanche. This is a PERFORMANCE business and Shaw knows it. You're measured by how you're doing, not how you once performed. I truly hope he proves me wrong. I just have little very little faith that he can. And I don't apologize for that. Stay healthy.

[gailtate]

He's probably kissing up. Let's not forget that he's a rich kid from OC fresh off the wealthiest school in the FBS. He wants to fit in.

That being said, are practices under Shaw bad?

I cannot say if practices are soft or bad under Shaw, but you know one thing Shaw doesn't worry about in practice is clock management.

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Harbaugh purged the culture when he arrived, tirelessly recruited the talent he needed and enjoyed the sponsorship of Bob (Football Guy) Bowlsby. Harbaugh, to use a battered cliche, was "transformative".  Then the Football Guy unhesitatingly hired the present guy, who drew oohs-and-ahs in Ferrari he inherited. This coach began to believe he could do his own maintenance and repairs. He couldn't. A great era ended. Glad I was around to be at those New Year's Bowl games, bittersweet as a couple of them were. Chances are we won't see them again until another Football Guy arrives to hire another Transformative HC. And so it goes.

Let's be honest here, who would have imagined in 2015 that the basketball team would consistently be ranked higher than the football team this coming decade? Because it will be.

It will continue to be in the absence of an AD who wants a return to elite football and hires the HC who can get it done.

Yep.  If there is one thing Shaw has proven - he can’t win.

For eight seasons I apologized faithfully and continually for this coach in response to the "he did it with another guy's players and staff" crowd. I ran out of apologies during last year's avalanche. This is a PERFORMANCE business and Shaw knows it. You're measured by how you're doing, not how you once performed. I truly hope he proves me wrong. I just have little very little faith that he can. And I don't apologize for that. Stay healthy.

[BobK]

I hate Rose Bowls too Gail. So boring. Been to so many with Stanford. You know like 4 on the past 48 years

[BobK]

I hate Rose Bowls too Gail. So boring. Been to so many with Stanford. You know like 4 on the past 48 years

[Phogge]

At least there have been seven in our lifetime Bobbbbbbb. Think how you would feel having been born into a Cal family. No wins.

[Phogge]

At least there have been seven in our lifetime Bobbbbbbb. Think how you would feel having been born into a Cal family. No wins.

[JustAnotherFan]

I hate Rose Bowls too Gail.  So boring. Been to so many with Stanford.  You know like 4 on the past 48 years

Soon to be 4 in the past 49. 50. 51. 52 ...

[JustAnotherFan]

I hate Rose Bowls too Gail.  So boring. Been to so many with Stanford.  You know like 4 on the past 48 years

Soon to be 4 in the past 49. 50. 51. 52 ...

[gailtate]

I hate Rose Bowls too Gail.  So boring. Been to so many with Stanford.  You know like 4 on the past 48 years

Looks and sounds like you're in clover., Bob. Shaw and Bernie should be around for a long, long, LONG time. Enjoy!

[gailtate]

I hate Rose Bowls too Gail.  So boring. Been to so many with Stanford.  You know like 4 on the past 48 years

Looks and sounds like you're in clover., Bob. Shaw and Bernie should be around for a long, long, LONG time. Enjoy!