[Goose]

I will go Day 2.  2-3 round

Fourth round to UDFA.  Hope you're right.

I obviously don't have any inside data, but my guess is more like Tejers1. The body of work isn't big enough for much better IMHO.

[Goose]

I will go Day 2.  2-3 round

Fourth round to UDFA.  Hope you're right.

I obviously don't have any inside data, but my guess is more like Tejers1. The body of work isn't big enough for much better IMHO.

[fullmetal]

I find myself guessing along the lines of teejers' prediction.  An outstanding combine performance (where he shows out alongside the presumptive top WR talent) could change that...if a combine happens.

[fullmetal]

I find myself guessing along the lines of teejers' prediction.  An outstanding combine performance (where he shows out alongside the presumptive top WR talent) could change that...if a combine happens.

[Mick]

I think Fehoko goes UDFA. He had some good games and one stellar game, but he won’t get drafted.

[Mick]

I think Fehoko goes UDFA. He had some good games and one stellar game, but he won’t get drafted.

[Austroturf]

That said, I can see why he wants to go now. His mission makes him a senior in age and he is married. There are no guarantees about what happens next year. Mills may leave and things may be rocky at least for a few games. Fehoko could get injured. Football careers can often be short. Deciding to take a shot at getting paid now makes sense.

This is a good point.  And it begs the question regarding the sort of production the Cardinal program will get out of another Mormon, Tanner McKee, who just joined this year after a two-year mission.  In the 2021 season, McKee will be a redshirt freshman, an academic sophomore, but already 21 years of age.  If Mills departs, it is likely that McKee will get the nod over Jack West.  But if McKee is truly the high-level 4-star prospect we all hope he is, he is also likely to leave after the 2022 season (his redshirt sophomore season).  That would be at least two seasons of production for the Cardinal program.

Generally, as has been pointed out a number of times on this board, this trend of shorter careers among Stanford players (which is an FBS-wide trend) should compel Shaw and his staff to start using young talent earlier, as true freshman if necessary.  Fehoko's impact has been a blip, nothing more.  Others have had a brief shining moment, then were gone.  Nursing a talented QB along for a season-and-a-half before he has digested the playbook will simply limit that player's productive years on the team.

[Austroturf]

That said, I can see why he wants to go now. His mission makes him a senior in age and he is married. There are no guarantees about what happens next year. Mills may leave and things may be rocky at least for a few games. Fehoko could get injured. Football careers can often be short. Deciding to take a shot at getting paid now makes sense.

This is a good point.  And it begs the question regarding the sort of production the Cardinal program will get out of another Mormon, Tanner McKee, who just joined this year after a two-year mission.  In the 2021 season, McKee will be a redshirt freshman, an academic sophomore, but already 21 years of age.  If Mills departs, it is likely that McKee will get the nod over Jack West.  But if McKee is truly the high-level 4-star prospect we all hope he is, he is also likely to leave after the 2022 season (his redshirt sophomore season).  That would be at least two seasons of production for the Cardinal program.

Generally, as has been pointed out a number of times on this board, this trend of shorter careers among Stanford players (which is an FBS-wide trend) should compel Shaw and his staff to start using young talent earlier, as true freshman if necessary.  Fehoko's impact has been a blip, nothing more.  Others have had a brief shining moment, then were gone.  Nursing a talented QB along for a season-and-a-half before he has digested the playbook will simply limit that player's productive years on the team.

[JohnR34231]

That said, I can see why he wants to go now. His mission makes him a senior in age and he is married. There are no guarantees about what happens next year. Mills may leave and things may be rocky at least for a few games. Fehoko could get injured. Football careers can often be short. Deciding to take a shot at getting paid now makes sense.

This is a good point.  And it begs the question regarding the sort of production the Cardinal program will get out of another Mormon, Tanner McKee, who just joined this year after a two-year mission.  In the 2021 season, McKee will be a redshirt freshman, an academic sophomore, but already 21 years of age.  If Mills departs, it is likely that McKee will get the nod over Jack West.  But if McKee is truly the high-level 4-star prospect we all hope he is, he is also likely to leave after the 2022 season (his redshirt sophomore season).  That would be at least two seasons of production for the Cardinal program.

Generally, as has been pointed out a number of times on this board, this trend of shorter careers among Stanford players (which is an FBS-wide trend) should compel Shaw and his staff to start using young talent earlier, as true freshman if necessary.  Fehoko's impact has been a blip, nothing more.  Others have had a brief shining moment, then were gone.  Nursing a talented QB along for a season-and-a-half before he has digested the playbook will simply limit that player's productive years on the team.

Given the fact that McKee went on a mission, couldn't he technically leave after 2021? If so and he starts and has a big year, it wouldn't shock me to see him leave then, given Fehoko's situation.  It's become a Catch-22 world. You want your players to do well, but if in fact that happens you will lose them sooner rather than later to the NFL. You better plan on reloading early and often.

[JohnR34231]

That said, I can see why he wants to go now. His mission makes him a senior in age and he is married. There are no guarantees about what happens next year. Mills may leave and things may be rocky at least for a few games. Fehoko could get injured. Football careers can often be short. Deciding to take a shot at getting paid now makes sense.

This is a good point.  And it begs the question regarding the sort of production the Cardinal program will get out of another Mormon, Tanner McKee, who just joined this year after a two-year mission.  In the 2021 season, McKee will be a redshirt freshman, an academic sophomore, but already 21 years of age.  If Mills departs, it is likely that McKee will get the nod over Jack West.  But if McKee is truly the high-level 4-star prospect we all hope he is, he is also likely to leave after the 2022 season (his redshirt sophomore season).  That would be at least two seasons of production for the Cardinal program.

Generally, as has been pointed out a number of times on this board, this trend of shorter careers among Stanford players (which is an FBS-wide trend) should compel Shaw and his staff to start using young talent earlier, as true freshman if necessary.  Fehoko's impact has been a blip, nothing more.  Others have had a brief shining moment, then were gone.  Nursing a talented QB along for a season-and-a-half before he has digested the playbook will simply limit that player's productive years on the team.

Given the fact that McKee went on a mission, couldn't he technically leave after 2021? If so and he starts and has a big year, it wouldn't shock me to see him leave then, given Fehoko's situation.  It's become a Catch-22 world. You want your players to do well, but if in fact that happens you will lose them sooner rather than later to the NFL. You better plan on reloading early and often.

[Austroturf]

That said, I can see why he wants to go now. His mission makes him a senior in age and he is married. There are no guarantees about what happens next year. Mills may leave and things may be rocky at least for a few games. Fehoko could get injured. Football careers can often be short. Deciding to take a shot at getting paid now makes sense.

This is a good point.  And it begs the question regarding the sort of production the Cardinal program will get out of another Mormon, Tanner McKee, who just joined this year after a two-year mission.  In the 2021 season, McKee will be a redshirt freshman, an academic sophomore, but already 21 years of age.  If Mills departs, it is likely that McKee will get the nod over Jack West.  But if McKee is truly the high-level 4-star prospect we all hope he is, he is also likely to leave after the 2022 season (his redshirt sophomore season).  That would be at least two seasons of production for the Cardinal program.

Generally, as has been pointed out a number of times on this board, this trend of shorter careers among Stanford players (which is an FBS-wide trend) should compel Shaw and his staff to start using young talent earlier, as true freshman if necessary.  Fehoko's impact has been a blip, nothing more.  Others have had a brief shining moment, then were gone.  Nursing a talented QB along for a season-and-a-half before he has digested the playbook will simply limit that player's productive years on the team.

Given the fact that McKee went on a mission, couldn't he technically leave after 2021? If so and he starts and has a big year, it wouldn't shock me to see him leave then, given Fehoko's situation.  It's become a Catch-22 world. You want your players to do well, but if in fact that happens you will lose them sooner rather than later to the NFL. You better plan on reloading early and often.

Technically, your assumption is correct.  If McKee lights up the world in 2021, he could conceivably leave after one year at the helm of the team.  In fact, he could even declare now, as a player only needs to be three years removed from high-school to play in the NFL, and Mckee qualifies for that already.

[Austroturf]

That said, I can see why he wants to go now. His mission makes him a senior in age and he is married. There are no guarantees about what happens next year. Mills may leave and things may be rocky at least for a few games. Fehoko could get injured. Football careers can often be short. Deciding to take a shot at getting paid now makes sense.

This is a good point.  And it begs the question regarding the sort of production the Cardinal program will get out of another Mormon, Tanner McKee, who just joined this year after a two-year mission.  In the 2021 season, McKee will be a redshirt freshman, an academic sophomore, but already 21 years of age.  If Mills departs, it is likely that McKee will get the nod over Jack West.  But if McKee is truly the high-level 4-star prospect we all hope he is, he is also likely to leave after the 2022 season (his redshirt sophomore season).  That would be at least two seasons of production for the Cardinal program.

Generally, as has been pointed out a number of times on this board, this trend of shorter careers among Stanford players (which is an FBS-wide trend) should compel Shaw and his staff to start using young talent earlier, as true freshman if necessary.  Fehoko's impact has been a blip, nothing more.  Others have had a brief shining moment, then were gone.  Nursing a talented QB along for a season-and-a-half before he has digested the playbook will simply limit that player's productive years on the team.

Given the fact that McKee went on a mission, couldn't he technically leave after 2021? If so and he starts and has a big year, it wouldn't shock me to see him leave then, given Fehoko's situation.  It's become a Catch-22 world. You want your players to do well, but if in fact that happens you will lose them sooner rather than later to the NFL. You better plan on reloading early and often.

Technically, your assumption is correct.  If McKee lights up the world in 2021, he could conceivably leave after one year at the helm of the team.  In fact, he could even declare now, as a player only needs to be three years removed from high-school to play in the NFL, and Mckee qualifies for that already.

[Phogge]

And probably forget recruiting any QB’s who are mission kids.

Or find a Jack Mildren type who have no NFL future and run the Wishbone.

[Phogge]

And probably forget recruiting any QB’s who are mission kids.

Or find a Jack Mildren type who have no NFL future and run the Wishbone.

[needle]

And probably forget recruiting any QB’s who are mission kids.

Or find a Jack Mildren type who have no NFL future and run the Wishbone.

The year-to-year improvement in Fehoko was really remarkable. When I first saw him play, I wondered if he would ever develop into the kind of receiver you felt comfortable throwing to on third-and-medium. He seemed only a deep threat, and one with questionable hands, at that. He developed into a reliable target and, to my uninformed eye, solid route runner. My hunch is that Fehoko will not be drafted all that high but I really believe he has a much better chance at a long NFL career than some other recent Stanford wideouts.

[needle]

And probably forget recruiting any QB’s who are mission kids.

Or find a Jack Mildren type who have no NFL future and run the Wishbone.

The year-to-year improvement in Fehoko was really remarkable. When I first saw him play, I wondered if he would ever develop into the kind of receiver you felt comfortable throwing to on third-and-medium. He seemed only a deep threat, and one with questionable hands, at that. He developed into a reliable target and, to my uninformed eye, solid route runner. My hunch is that Fehoko will not be drafted all that high but I really believe he has a much better chance at a long NFL career than some other recent Stanford wideouts.

[Goose]

The year-to-year improvement in Fehoko was really remarkable. When I first saw him play, I wondered if he would ever develop into the kind of receiver you felt comfortable throwing to on third-and-medium. He seemed only a deep threat, and one with questionable hands, at that. He developed into a reliable target and, to my uninformed eye, solid route runner. My hunch is that Fehoko will not be drafted all that high but I really believe he has a much better chance at a long NFL career than some other recent Stanford wideouts.

I agree that he has a shot at a better career than many pretty good Stanford wideouts who played in the NFL simply because he has some speed. Many of the Stanford wideouts (Baldwin for instance with a dead "average" 4.48 40) were not burners but made great careers for themselves. I don't quite see the improvement in Fehoko's route running. While Shaw gets lots of flack for not "scheming people open" the offense this year did do quite a bit of that for Fehoko, especially that one game where the put him in a position he didn't even play to get a favorable matchup. He can do a JJ and catch the ball when tightly covered by a shorter corner. That doesn't work nearly as well in the NFL, but it is a skill. He also manages to get wide open many times due to the defense "losing" him, for some reason. That won't happen nearly as much in the NFL. College defenses (particularly Stanford's unfortunately) usually have a "weak link" that Fehoko can just run away from and/or out jump.

I would imagine he knows that he isn't guaranteed anything by going into the draft. He doesn't expect to be a first round pick, which means he has to make a team somewhere. He apparently thinks now is the time. Good for him, I hope he does well.

[Goose]

The year-to-year improvement in Fehoko was really remarkable. When I first saw him play, I wondered if he would ever develop into the kind of receiver you felt comfortable throwing to on third-and-medium. He seemed only a deep threat, and one with questionable hands, at that. He developed into a reliable target and, to my uninformed eye, solid route runner. My hunch is that Fehoko will not be drafted all that high but I really believe he has a much better chance at a long NFL career than some other recent Stanford wideouts.

I agree that he has a shot at a better career than many pretty good Stanford wideouts who played in the NFL simply because he has some speed. Many of the Stanford wideouts (Baldwin for instance with a dead "average" 4.48 40) were not burners but made great careers for themselves. I don't quite see the improvement in Fehoko's route running. While Shaw gets lots of flack for not "scheming people open" the offense this year did do quite a bit of that for Fehoko, especially that one game where the put him in a position he didn't even play to get a favorable matchup. He can do a JJ and catch the ball when tightly covered by a shorter corner. That doesn't work nearly as well in the NFL, but it is a skill. He also manages to get wide open many times due to the defense "losing" him, for some reason. That won't happen nearly as much in the NFL. College defenses (particularly Stanford's unfortunately) usually have a "weak link" that Fehoko can just run away from and/or out jump.

I would imagine he knows that he isn't guaranteed anything by going into the draft. He doesn't expect to be a first round pick, which means he has to make a team somewhere. He apparently thinks now is the time. Good for him, I hope he does well.

[cardcrimson]

I would imagine he knows that he isn't guaranteed anything by going into the draft. He doesn't expect to be a first round pick, which means he has to make a team somewhere. He apparently thinks now is the time. Good for him, I hope he does well.

He also has to consider what another year at Stanford might look like. Will kids be back on campus in the fall? Will teams be allowed to practice and compete in Santa Clara County? Lots of unknowns at this point, too.

Wish him the best!

[cardcrimson]

I would imagine he knows that he isn't guaranteed anything by going into the draft. He doesn't expect to be a first round pick, which means he has to make a team somewhere. He apparently thinks now is the time. Good for him, I hope he does well.

He also has to consider what another year at Stanford might look like. Will kids be back on campus in the fall? Will teams be allowed to practice and compete in Santa Clara County? Lots of unknowns at this point, too.

Wish him the best!

[ATLcardinal]

Project Fehoko's short covid-year stats out to a regular year and his body of work is good enough when combined with his size/speed combo.   The measurables should get him taken by round 3.  Just wish we had seen more of him before he left.

[ATLcardinal]

Project Fehoko's short covid-year stats out to a regular year and his body of work is good enough when combined with his size/speed combo.   The measurables should get him taken by round 3.  Just wish we had seen more of him before he left.

[JustAnotherFan]

Good luck  to Simi. Wish he would have stayed another year. I wonder how many NFL teams would compare him to JJ?

Hopefully none of them. JJ hasn't exactly lived up to his draft spot.

[JustAnotherFan]

Good luck  to Simi. Wish he would have stayed another year. I wonder how many NFL teams would compare him to JJ?

Hopefully none of them. JJ hasn't exactly lived up to his draft spot.

[martyup]

Why don't you include setting the Pac-12 record for yards per reception last season in his resume?

* In 2009 Fehoko averaged 23.6 yds/reception on exactly 2.0 receptions per game. 

That is pretty good for a 10 year old kid. ;•)

[martyup]

Why don't you include setting the Pac-12 record for yards per reception last season in his resume?

* In 2009 Fehoko averaged 23.6 yds/reception on exactly 2.0 receptions per game. 

That is pretty good for a 10 year old kid. ;•)

[old spanish trail]

I have no problem with Simi going for the draft. I just hope it's the right choice. But, he's older, is married, and I wonder if he can repeat his good games and stats this season. Wilson's season was too short to establish his position in the draft so I expect him to return. Simi probably wouldn't be the feature wr. Wilson is a better route runner. I've always though neither JJ nor Simi were very good route runners.

Re other receivers, also love Higgins, Weddington can't stay on the field enuf to establish himself. So, he wants to play pro, I expect him to return. Humphreys has height and pretty good speed, but looks absolutely lost 3/4 the time. What's up with that? Temayne is a wonderful story.

[old spanish trail]

I have no problem with Simi going for the draft. I just hope it's the right choice. But, he's older, is married, and I wonder if he can repeat his good games and stats this season. Wilson's season was too short to establish his position in the draft so I expect him to return. Simi probably wouldn't be the feature wr. Wilson is a better route runner. I've always though neither JJ nor Simi were very good route runners.

Re other receivers, also love Higgins, Weddington can't stay on the field enuf to establish himself. So, he wants to play pro, I expect him to return. Humphreys has height and pretty good speed, but looks absolutely lost 3/4 the time. What's up with that? Temayne is a wonderful story.

[Mick]

I don't think Fehoko will get drafted.  He has a lot of plusses, but i don't consider him to be in the Top 25 receivers.  Maybe he gets selected in the 6th or 7th round based upon one really good game, but he's not a great blocker, doesn't run great routes, has average hands and gets little YAC.  I just don't see it.

[Mick]

I don't think Fehoko will get drafted.  He has a lot of plusses, but i don't consider him to be in the Top 25 receivers.  Maybe he gets selected in the 6th or 7th round based upon one really good game, but he's not a great blocker, doesn't run great routes, has average hands and gets little YAC.  I just don't see it.

[martyup]

I don't think Fehoko will get drafted.  He has a lot of plusses, but i don't consider him to be in the Top 25 receivers.  Maybe he gets selected in the 6th or 7th round  based upon one really good game, but he's not a great blocker, doesn't run great routes, has average hands and gets little YAC.  I just don't see it.

I agree.  To make a team in the NFL in a skill position you have to be in the top 25 college receivers over the last 2 or 3 college seasons combined.  One great game isn't enough, especially when you weren't even a starter on your team until other players were injured.  Look how many great players have gone through Stanford and never made the NFL cut.  I hope he makes it.  He had better be ready to work harder than he ever imagined.

[martyup]

I don't think Fehoko will get drafted.  He has a lot of plusses, but i don't consider him to be in the Top 25 receivers.  Maybe he gets selected in the 6th or 7th round  based upon one really good game, but he's not a great blocker, doesn't run great routes, has average hands and gets little YAC.  I just don't see it.

I agree.  To make a team in the NFL in a skill position you have to be in the top 25 college receivers over the last 2 or 3 college seasons combined.  One great game isn't enough, especially when you weren't even a starter on your team until other players were injured.  Look how many great players have gone through Stanford and never made the NFL cut.  I hope he makes it.  He had better be ready to work harder than he ever imagined.