[SamuelMcF]

"Stanford" not even found on ESPN's Bracketology page.  But "Oregon" is found in the #12 play-in seed column. Obviously beating USC twice as a Top 15 team is helpful, but does the team have a chance to make NCAA field?

Just win, baby.

[SamuelMcF]

"Stanford" not even found on ESPN's Bracketology page.  But "Oregon" is found in the #12 play-in seed column. Obviously beating USC twice as a Top 15 team is helpful, but does the team have a chance to make NCAA field?

Just win, baby.

[bl82]

All we can do is try to work our way up the conference ladder and hope for the best. We are in 4th right now, but there are five teams with three losses, one of those being USC. If we finish 3rd, I think we are in. If we finish 4th and pick up at least one or two more quality wins (Arizona, UCLA, perhaps Oregon, etc.) then we still have a good shot. This could come down to the Pac-12 Tournament.

[bl82]

All we can do is try to work our way up the conference ladder and hope for the best. We are in 4th right now, but there are five teams with three losses, one of those being USC. If we finish 3rd, I think we are in. If we finish 4th and pick up at least one or two more quality wins (Arizona, UCLA, perhaps Oregon, etc.) then we still have a good shot. This could come down to the Pac-12 Tournament.

[AlbanyCardinal]

I think if Stanford holds onto 4th place by itself, has no more bad losses, and wins at least one game and hopefully two in the P12 Tourney, it'd be in. I expect losses at UCLA and AZ, but the rest of the schedule lines up pretty well. The games I circle are at Oregon and the Washington teams at home. 

All we can do is try to work our way up the conference ladder and hope for the best.  We are in 4th right now, but there are five teams with three losses, one of those being USC.  If we finish 3rd, I think we are in.  If we finish 4th and pick up at least one or two more quality wins (Arizona, UCLA, perhaps Oregon, etc.) then we still have a good shot.  This could come down to the Pac-12 Tournament.

[AlbanyCardinal]

I think if Stanford holds onto 4th place by itself, has no more bad losses, and wins at least one game and hopefully two in the P12 Tourney, it'd be in. I expect losses at UCLA and AZ, but the rest of the schedule lines up pretty well. The games I circle are at Oregon and the Washington teams at home. 

All we can do is try to work our way up the conference ladder and hope for the best.  We are in 4th right now, but there are five teams with three losses, one of those being USC.  If we finish 3rd, I think we are in.  If we finish 4th and pick up at least one or two more quality wins (Arizona, UCLA, perhaps Oregon, etc.) then we still have a good shot.  This could come down to the Pac-12 Tournament.

[BACardinal]

I agree with AlbanyCardnial. 

Arizona stormed right over the Cardinal and I predict another loss in the next matchup. 
Since UCLA beat AZ pretty handily I'm going to assume Stanford takes an L versus the Bruins. 

If those are the only remaining losses (3) and they can beat the lower half of the conference, plus Oregon, then Stanford should be considered for post season play. More likely they'll get NIT because I think they'll lose more than three games but the team looks good in the moment and I'm rooting for them to continue this style of basketball.

[BACardinal]

I agree with AlbanyCardnial. 

Arizona stormed right over the Cardinal and I predict another loss in the next matchup. 
Since UCLA beat AZ pretty handily I'm going to assume Stanford takes an L versus the Bruins. 

If those are the only remaining losses (3) and they can beat the lower half of the conference, plus Oregon, then Stanford should be considered for post season play. More likely they'll get NIT because I think they'll lose more than three games but the team looks good in the moment and I'm rooting for them to continue this style of basketball.

[burger]

Given where the season started--early loss to a mediocre Santa Clara team and getting killed by Baylor--I'd be happy with an NIT appearance.  It's still a young team, and it would be a sign of improvement.  Lord knows there haven't been many signs of improvement over Haase's tenure.

[burger]

Given where the season started--early loss to a mediocre Santa Clara team and getting killed by Baylor--I'd be happy with an NIT appearance.  It's still a young team, and it would be a sign of improvement.  Lord knows there haven't been many signs of improvement over Haase's tenure.

[Mick]

I’m wearing my Casey Jacobsen jersey for good luck. :)

 
I've seen Casey announce Santa Clara U. basketball games recently.

Yesterday was the kind of day I really enjoy. All my teams won. Stanford's beats #15 USC (for the second time this season) while USC had a three-game winning streak going into the game. Santa Clara (13-7) beat BYU (17-5) on a buzzer beater. And the Warriors handled the T'Wolves, 124-115, with Wiggins earning an All-Star start alongside Steph.

Stanford has four Quad 1 wins, tops in the Pac-12. Pretty good for this 12-6 NCAA bubble team.

[Mick]

I’m wearing my Casey Jacobsen jersey for good luck. :)

 
I've seen Casey announce Santa Clara U. basketball games recently.

Yesterday was the kind of day I really enjoy. All my teams won. Stanford's beats #15 USC (for the second time this season) while USC had a three-game winning streak going into the game. Santa Clara (13-7) beat BYU (17-5) on a buzzer beater. And the Warriors handled the T'Wolves, 124-115, with Wiggins earning an All-Star start alongside Steph.

Stanford has four Quad 1 wins, tops in the Pac-12. Pretty good for this 12-6 NCAA bubble team.

[martyup]

Delaire scoring 14 points makes it look on paper that he was largely responsible for this victory.  In reality, he tried to put this game on his back and beat the Trojans on his own.  He made his points on two early 3s, a couple of dunks on good assists, and a couple of prayer shots that somehow made it through the hoop.  All but 1 of his 9 missed shots were poor attempts trying to beat SC's bigs in the paint.  It got to the point that I would cringe when he got the ball because I knew he would try to beat SC's defense on his own, disregarding his teammates.  Hasse probably kept him in as long as he did (21 minutes) because he was the leading scorer on our team.  Fortunately, Hasse benched him with 15 minutes to play and he didn't see the court again.

Delaire has good skills, but his confidence outweighs his talent.  It seems that Hasse has recognized this problem and hopefully we'll see more of Angel and Raynaud on the court. 

By contrast, Ingram has mad talent but he plays team ball.  He only had 12 points, but he took 5 less shots than Delaire and had 5 assists.  Delaire had 1 assist in 21 minutes.

[martyup]

Delaire scoring 14 points makes it look on paper that he was largely responsible for this victory.  In reality, he tried to put this game on his back and beat the Trojans on his own.  He made his points on two early 3s, a couple of dunks on good assists, and a couple of prayer shots that somehow made it through the hoop.  All but 1 of his 9 missed shots were poor attempts trying to beat SC's bigs in the paint.  It got to the point that I would cringe when he got the ball because I knew he would try to beat SC's defense on his own, disregarding his teammates.  Hasse probably kept him in as long as he did (21 minutes) because he was the leading scorer on our team.  Fortunately, Hasse benched him with 15 minutes to play and he didn't see the court again.

Delaire has good skills, but his confidence outweighs his talent.  It seems that Hasse has recognized this problem and hopefully we'll see more of Angel and Raynaud on the court. 

By contrast, Ingram has mad talent but he plays team ball.  He only had 12 points, but he took 5 less shots than Delaire and had 5 assists.  Delaire had 1 assist in 21 minutes.

[SamuelMcF]

I agree with AlbanyCardnial. 

Arizona stormed right over the Cardinal and I predict another loss in the next matchup. 
Since UCLA beat AZ pretty handily I'm going to assume Stanford takes an L versus the Bruins. 

If those are the only remaining losses (3) and they can beat the lower half of the conference, plus Oregon, then Stanford should be considered for post season play. More likely they'll get NIT because I think they'll lose more than three games but the team looks good in the moment and I'm rooting for them to continue this style of basketball.

UCLA has Johnny Juzang and 6th/7th man Jaylen Clark out due to COVID protocols. I still think they win, though obviously our chances are a little better.

https://twitter.com/BruinReport/status/1...6299366401

[SamuelMcF]

I agree with AlbanyCardnial. 

Arizona stormed right over the Cardinal and I predict another loss in the next matchup. 
Since UCLA beat AZ pretty handily I'm going to assume Stanford takes an L versus the Bruins. 

If those are the only remaining losses (3) and they can beat the lower half of the conference, plus Oregon, then Stanford should be considered for post season play. More likely they'll get NIT because I think they'll lose more than three games but the team looks good in the moment and I'm rooting for them to continue this style of basketball.

UCLA has Johnny Juzang and 6th/7th man Jaylen Clark out due to COVID protocols. I still think they win, though obviously our chances are a little better.

https://twitter.com/BruinReport/status/1...6299366401

[bl82]

Delaire scoring 14 points makes it look on paper that he was largely responsible for this victory.  In reality, he tried to put this game on his back and beat the Trojans on his own.  He made his points on two early 3s, a couple of dunks on good assists, and a couple of prayer shots that somehow made it through the hoop.  All but 1 of his 9 missed shots were poor attempts trying to beat SC's bigs in the paint.  It got to the point that I would cringe when he got the ball because I knew he would try to beat SC's defense on his own, disregarding his teammates.  Hasse probably kept him in as long as he did (21 minutes) because he was the leading scorer on our team.  Fortunately, Hasse benched him with 15 minutes to play and he didn't see the court again.

Delaire has good skills, but his confidence outweighs his talent.  It seems that Hasse has recognized this problem and hopefully we'll see more of Angel and Raynaud on the court. 

By contrast, Ingram has mad talent but he plays team ball.  He only had 12 points, but he took 5 less shots than Delaire and had 5 assists.  Delaire had 1 assist in 21 minutes.

Nailed it -- and of course this is a recurring problem with Delaire. I do like the fact that the coaches left both Delaire and Kisunas out for the last 15:38 and gave Raynaud and Murrell some run in addition to Angel, Keefe, Ingram and Jones.

[bl82]

Delaire scoring 14 points makes it look on paper that he was largely responsible for this victory.  In reality, he tried to put this game on his back and beat the Trojans on his own.  He made his points on two early 3s, a couple of dunks on good assists, and a couple of prayer shots that somehow made it through the hoop.  All but 1 of his 9 missed shots were poor attempts trying to beat SC's bigs in the paint.  It got to the point that I would cringe when he got the ball because I knew he would try to beat SC's defense on his own, disregarding his teammates.  Hasse probably kept him in as long as he did (21 minutes) because he was the leading scorer on our team.  Fortunately, Hasse benched him with 15 minutes to play and he didn't see the court again.

Delaire has good skills, but his confidence outweighs his talent.  It seems that Hasse has recognized this problem and hopefully we'll see more of Angel and Raynaud on the court. 

By contrast, Ingram has mad talent but he plays team ball.  He only had 12 points, but he took 5 less shots than Delaire and had 5 assists.  Delaire had 1 assist in 21 minutes.

Nailed it -- and of course this is a recurring problem with Delaire. I do like the fact that the coaches left both Delaire and Kisunas out for the last 15:38 and gave Raynaud and Murrell some run in addition to Angel, Keefe, Ingram and Jones.

[Renaissance Man]

USC plays a defensive style that makes sense for a team with the size that they have across the board.  They play solid position defense, so they are able to drop and defend the lane, as well as get a hand in the face of three-point shooters, and be in good position to rebound vs. teams that are smaller. Stanford's patient offensive approach allows them to wait for a breakdown for an open shot, and lets them avoid turnovers, allowing them additional shot attempts, and they are not at the rebounding disadvantage that some teams face.
Stanford struggles, and turns the ball over when the opponent pressures Keefe and Kisunas when they have the ball at the high post, and overplays to deny Keefe and Kisunas the ability to make easy passes--neither of them is a gifted passer, and neither has much ability to put the ball on the floor; risk/reward is great for the opponent.  USC is a good matchup for Stanford because they play off of the high post, and they do not play denial defense to the wings.  When Stanford plays against teams who play good pressure defense, the turnovers move up to around 20, resulting in 11 fewer shots than last night, and many more fast break opportunities for the opponent, which is why some of those games against opponents who are not any more talented than USC get out of hand.  This might improve as Reynaud improved, he has a wider range of skills, but if Stanford continues to put the ball at the high post as often as they do, the pressure will continue to give them trouble.

[Renaissance Man]

USC plays a defensive style that makes sense for a team with the size that they have across the board.  They play solid position defense, so they are able to drop and defend the lane, as well as get a hand in the face of three-point shooters, and be in good position to rebound vs. teams that are smaller. Stanford's patient offensive approach allows them to wait for a breakdown for an open shot, and lets them avoid turnovers, allowing them additional shot attempts, and they are not at the rebounding disadvantage that some teams face.
Stanford struggles, and turns the ball over when the opponent pressures Keefe and Kisunas when they have the ball at the high post, and overplays to deny Keefe and Kisunas the ability to make easy passes--neither of them is a gifted passer, and neither has much ability to put the ball on the floor; risk/reward is great for the opponent.  USC is a good matchup for Stanford because they play off of the high post, and they do not play denial defense to the wings.  When Stanford plays against teams who play good pressure defense, the turnovers move up to around 20, resulting in 11 fewer shots than last night, and many more fast break opportunities for the opponent, which is why some of those games against opponents who are not any more talented than USC get out of hand.  This might improve as Reynaud improved, he has a wider range of skills, but if Stanford continues to put the ball at the high post as often as they do, the pressure will continue to give them trouble.

[teejers1]

I agree with AlbanyCardnial. 

Arizona stormed right over the Cardinal and I predict another loss in the next matchup. 
Since UCLA beat AZ pretty handily I'm going to assume Stanford takes an L versus the Bruins. 

If those are the only remaining losses (3) and they can beat the lower half of the conference, plus Oregon, then Stanford should be considered for post season play. More likely they'll get NIT because I think they'll lose more than three games but the team looks good in the moment and I'm rooting for them to continue this style of basketball.

I would be shocked if Stanford beats Oregon in Eugene.  The Ducks improve over the course of the season every year under their coach - hell, they're already playing a lot better than when Stanford played them at home.  AZ and UCLA also very likely Ls.  It's the remaining 9 games that will tell the tale for the Cardinal, imo.

But it's fun to have hope . . . isn't it?

[teejers1]

I agree with AlbanyCardnial. 

Arizona stormed right over the Cardinal and I predict another loss in the next matchup. 
Since UCLA beat AZ pretty handily I'm going to assume Stanford takes an L versus the Bruins. 

If those are the only remaining losses (3) and they can beat the lower half of the conference, plus Oregon, then Stanford should be considered for post season play. More likely they'll get NIT because I think they'll lose more than three games but the team looks good in the moment and I'm rooting for them to continue this style of basketball.

I would be shocked if Stanford beats Oregon in Eugene.  The Ducks improve over the course of the season every year under their coach - hell, they're already playing a lot better than when Stanford played them at home.  AZ and UCLA also very likely Ls.  It's the remaining 9 games that will tell the tale for the Cardinal, imo.

But it's fun to have hope . . . isn't it?

[SamuelMcF]

I agree with AlbanyCardnial. 

Arizona stormed right over the Cardinal and I predict another loss in the next matchup. 
Since UCLA beat AZ pretty handily I'm going to assume Stanford takes an L versus the Bruins. 

If those are the only remaining losses (3) and they can beat the lower half of the conference, plus Oregon, then Stanford should be considered for post season play. More likely they'll get NIT because I think they'll lose more than three games but the team looks good in the moment and I'm rooting for them to continue this style of basketball.

I would be shocked if Stanford beats Oregon in Eugene.  The Ducks improve over the course of the season every year under their coach - hell, they're already playing a lot better than when Stanford played them at home.  AZ and UCLA also very likely Ls.  It's the remaining 9 games that will tell the tale for the Cardinal, imo.

But it's fun to have hope . . . isn't it?

Agreed. We need to win the games "we should win" and most of the tossups. If another upset like this one happens against the "very likely Ls" that's wonderful, but won't matter if we experience another end-of-season collapse like seasons past.

[SamuelMcF]

I agree with AlbanyCardnial. 

Arizona stormed right over the Cardinal and I predict another loss in the next matchup. 
Since UCLA beat AZ pretty handily I'm going to assume Stanford takes an L versus the Bruins. 

If those are the only remaining losses (3) and they can beat the lower half of the conference, plus Oregon, then Stanford should be considered for post season play. More likely they'll get NIT because I think they'll lose more than three games but the team looks good in the moment and I'm rooting for them to continue this style of basketball.

I would be shocked if Stanford beats Oregon in Eugene.  The Ducks improve over the course of the season every year under their coach - hell, they're already playing a lot better than when Stanford played them at home.  AZ and UCLA also very likely Ls.  It's the remaining 9 games that will tell the tale for the Cardinal, imo.

But it's fun to have hope . . . isn't it?

Agreed. We need to win the games "we should win" and most of the tossups. If another upset like this one happens against the "very likely Ls" that's wonderful, but won't matter if we experience another end-of-season collapse like seasons past.

[BillBradley]

That was the best game the Stanford men have played all season. The ball moved on offense, the guys actually made some perimeter shots (!), limited turnovers, and as usual rebounded it well. Great win and very happy for the players and coaches!

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

[BillBradley]

That was the best game the Stanford men have played all season. The ball moved on offense, the guys actually made some perimeter shots (!), limited turnovers, and as usual rebounded it well. Great win and very happy for the players and coaches!

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

[teejers1]

That was the best game the Stanford men have played all season. The ball moved on offense, the guys actually made some perimeter shots (!), limited turnovers, and as usual rebounded it well. Great win and very happy for the players and coaches!

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

Don't be too despondent with NET rankings.  Stanford is in better shape than that current ranking.  If Stanford goes 8-4 the rest of the way, that's 20-10 (and I think enough, especially adding 1 P12 Tourney W).  But none of this matters unless the Cardinal win the games it should/toss ups.  A long way to go from here to there, and as Sam notes, Stanford must avoid the late-season fade/crater.

We shall see . . .

[teejers1]

That was the best game the Stanford men have played all season. The ball moved on offense, the guys actually made some perimeter shots (!), limited turnovers, and as usual rebounded it well. Great win and very happy for the players and coaches!

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

Don't be too despondent with NET rankings.  Stanford is in better shape than that current ranking.  If Stanford goes 8-4 the rest of the way, that's 20-10 (and I think enough, especially adding 1 P12 Tourney W).  But none of this matters unless the Cardinal win the games it should/toss ups.  A long way to go from here to there, and as Sam notes, Stanford must avoid the late-season fade/crater.

We shall see . . .

[BillBradley]

That was the best game the Stanford men have played all season. The ball moved on offense, the guys actually made some perimeter shots (!), limited turnovers, and as usual rebounded it well. Great win and very happy for the players and coaches!

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

Don't be too despondent with NET rankings.  Stanford is in better shape than that current ranking.  If Stanford goes 8-4 the rest of the way, that's 20-10 (and I think enough, especially adding 1 P12 Tourney W).  But none of this matters unless the Cardinal win the games it should/toss ups.  A long way to go from here to there, and as Sam notes, Stanford must avoid the late-season fade/crater.

We shall see . . .

I hope you're right, but those rankings are used and they are important. Even after our win last night over USC, we are 86th. Sure, there's committee deliberation on the bubble teams, but you have to be in the discussion. 8 wins over Washington, OSU, Cal, ASU, etc. will not improve things much.

[BillBradley]

That was the best game the Stanford men have played all season. The ball moved on offense, the guys actually made some perimeter shots (!), limited turnovers, and as usual rebounded it well. Great win and very happy for the players and coaches!

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

Don't be too despondent with NET rankings.  Stanford is in better shape than that current ranking.  If Stanford goes 8-4 the rest of the way, that's 20-10 (and I think enough, especially adding 1 P12 Tourney W).  But none of this matters unless the Cardinal win the games it should/toss ups.  A long way to go from here to there, and as Sam notes, Stanford must avoid the late-season fade/crater.

We shall see . . .

I hope you're right, but those rankings are used and they are important. Even after our win last night over USC, we are 86th. Sure, there's committee deliberation on the bubble teams, but you have to be in the discussion. 8 wins over Washington, OSU, Cal, ASU, etc. will not improve things much.

[SamuelMcF]

That was the best game the Stanford men have played all season. The ball moved on offense, the guys actually made some perimeter shots (!), limited turnovers, and as usual rebounded it well. Great win and very happy for the players and coaches!

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

Don't be too despondent with NET rankings.  Stanford is in better shape than that current ranking.  If Stanford goes 8-4 the rest of the way, that's 20-10 (and I think enough, especially adding 1 P12 Tourney W).  But none of this matters unless the Cardinal win the games it should/toss ups.  A long way to go from here to there, and as Sam notes, Stanford must avoid the late-season fade/crater.

We shall see . . .

I hope you're right, but those rankings are used and they are important. Even after our win last night over USC, we are 86th. Sure, there's committee deliberation on the bubble teams, but you have to be in the discussion. 8 wins over Washington, OSU, Cal, ASU, etc. will not improve things much.

Wazzu, who has a worse overall, conference, and Q1 record than we do, AND who has a H2H loss against us (AT HOME!), is ranked #54. Tell me how that makes sense.

Winning those 8, especially if some are more convincing, while winning 2 of the tossups (vs. Wazzu apparently, vs. Colorado, @ Oregon (would be more impressive IMO)) will put us in the discussion.

[SamuelMcF]

That was the best game the Stanford men have played all season. The ball moved on offense, the guys actually made some perimeter shots (!), limited turnovers, and as usual rebounded it well. Great win and very happy for the players and coaches!

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

Don't be too despondent with NET rankings.  Stanford is in better shape than that current ranking.  If Stanford goes 8-4 the rest of the way, that's 20-10 (and I think enough, especially adding 1 P12 Tourney W).  But none of this matters unless the Cardinal win the games it should/toss ups.  A long way to go from here to there, and as Sam notes, Stanford must avoid the late-season fade/crater.

We shall see . . .

I hope you're right, but those rankings are used and they are important. Even after our win last night over USC, we are 86th. Sure, there's committee deliberation on the bubble teams, but you have to be in the discussion. 8 wins over Washington, OSU, Cal, ASU, etc. will not improve things much.

Wazzu, who has a worse overall, conference, and Q1 record than we do, AND who has a H2H loss against us (AT HOME!), is ranked #54. Tell me how that makes sense.

Winning those 8, especially if some are more convincing, while winning 2 of the tossups (vs. Wazzu apparently, vs. Colorado, @ Oregon (would be more impressive IMO)) will put us in the discussion.

[bl82]

For the benefit of the NET non-gurus, are Quad calculations locked in on game day or do they evolve and update as the season wears on to reflect the changing fortunes of an opponent?

[bl82]

For the benefit of the NET non-gurus, are Quad calculations locked in on game day or do they evolve and update as the season wears on to reflect the changing fortunes of an opponent?

[SamuelMcF]

For the benefit of the NET non-gurus, are Quad calculations locked in on game day or do they evolve as the season wears on to reflect the changing fortunes of an opponent?

I believe they evolve. For instance, we want UW to keep winning so our away loss becomes Quad 2 and thus less bad. Same with Colorado - if they rise a few spots our away loss becomes Quad 1. Oregon rising a few spots means our home win becomes Quad 1 as well. An away loss @ Eugene is already Quad 1 so not too bad (and a win would be fantastic).

[SamuelMcF]

For the benefit of the NET non-gurus, are Quad calculations locked in on game day or do they evolve as the season wears on to reflect the changing fortunes of an opponent?

I believe they evolve. For instance, we want UW to keep winning so our away loss becomes Quad 2 and thus less bad. Same with Colorado - if they rise a few spots our away loss becomes Quad 1. Oregon rising a few spots means our home win becomes Quad 1 as well. An away loss @ Eugene is already Quad 1 so not too bad (and a win would be fantastic).

[DC 86]

For the benefit of the NET non-gurus, are Quad calculations locked in on game day or do they evolve and update as the season wears on to reflect the changing fortunes of an opponent?

They evolve, they aren't static.

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We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

I think you're right about needing some more good wins but,

1) Wichita State and Michigan State received at-large bids last year with NET ratings in the 70s (70 and 76), obviously Stanford's overall record and strength of schedule won't get them in with a NET in that range but being in the 50s or 60s isn't necessarily a disqualifier if that's where we end up.

2) Q3 and Q4 losses are considered "bad losses" and Stanford only has one (the game at Washington) since Santa Clara has climbed up into Q2.

[DC 86]

For the benefit of the NET non-gurus, are Quad calculations locked in on game day or do they evolve and update as the season wears on to reflect the changing fortunes of an opponent?

They evolve, they aren't static.

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We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

I think you're right about needing some more good wins but,

1) Wichita State and Michigan State received at-large bids last year with NET ratings in the 70s (70 and 76), obviously Stanford's overall record and strength of schedule won't get them in with a NET in that range but being in the 50s or 60s isn't necessarily a disqualifier if that's where we end up.

2) Q3 and Q4 losses are considered "bad losses" and Stanford only has one (the game at Washington) since Santa Clara has climbed up into Q2.

[old spanish trail]

For the benefit of the NET non-gurus, are Quad calculations locked in on game day or do they evolve and update as the season wears on to reflect the changing fortunes of an opponent?

They evolve, they aren't static.

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We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

I think you're right about needing some more good wins but,

1) Wichita State and Michigan State received at-large bids last year with NET ratings in the 70s (70 and 76), obviously Stanford's overall record and strength of schedule won't get them in with a NET in that range but being in the 50s or 60s isn't necessarily a disqualifier if that's where we end up.

2) Q3 and Q4 losses are considered "bad losses" and Stanford only has one (the game at Washington) since Santa Clara has climbed up into Q2.

And, if I understood Casey Jakes correctly last eve, Stanford has 4 Quad 1 wins which he says is important. Did we pick up 2 in Hawaii?

[old spanish trail]

For the benefit of the NET non-gurus, are Quad calculations locked in on game day or do they evolve and update as the season wears on to reflect the changing fortunes of an opponent?

They evolve, they aren't static.

---

We've "climbed" to 86th in the Net Rankings, which is not even close to getting a bid. If we win the games we should, we end up 13-7 and 20 wins overall. But my guess is our Net Ranking still wouldn't be good enough at that point - maybe into the 60's. The weakness of the lower tier of the P12 plus our bad losses (Santa Clara, Washington) continue to haunt us.  Feels like we need at least one more big win along the way and to hold serve against everyone else. I don't think we can beat Arizona, but maybe we could get one from UCLA or at Oregon in the regular season or one in the P12 tourney. 

Go Card!

I think you're right about needing some more good wins but,

1) Wichita State and Michigan State received at-large bids last year with NET ratings in the 70s (70 and 76), obviously Stanford's overall record and strength of schedule won't get them in with a NET in that range but being in the 50s or 60s isn't necessarily a disqualifier if that's where we end up.

2) Q3 and Q4 losses are considered "bad losses" and Stanford only has one (the game at Washington) since Santa Clara has climbed up into Q2.

And, if I understood Casey Jakes correctly last eve, Stanford has 4 Quad 1 wins which he says is important. Did we pick up 2 in Hawaii?