[Maple Leaf]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6380136...age-abuse/

There is reference to Stanford's Quinn Mathews throwing 156 pitches.

[Maple Leaf]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6380136...age-abuse/

There is reference to Stanford's Quinn Mathews throwing 156 pitches.

[76lsjumb]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6380136...age-abuse/

There is reference to Stanford's Quinn Mathews throwing 156 pitches.

From the topic heading, I thought this was about NIL issues… :-)  

P.s. This is meant as a joke, not as an argument. No strategy here…

[76lsjumb]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6380136...age-abuse/

There is reference to Stanford's Quinn Mathews throwing 156 pitches.

From the topic heading, I thought this was about NIL issues… :-)  

P.s. This is meant as a joke, not as an argument. No strategy here…

[lex24]

Been true for a long time.  Those who go on to pro ball then get overly protected with ridiculously low pitch counts.  Relievers don’t go back to back.  

Finding the sweet spot would be nice.

[lex24]

Been true for a long time.  Those who go on to pro ball then get overly protected with ridiculously low pitch counts.  Relievers don’t go back to back.  

Finding the sweet spot would be nice.

[CowboyIndian]

Nolan Ryan is probably a one-off but he chuckles at this.
I think a bigger problem is year-round baseball for kids.

[CowboyIndian]

Nolan Ryan is probably a one-off but he chuckles at this.
I think a bigger problem is year-round baseball for kids.

[CompSci87]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6380136...age-abuse/

There is reference to Stanford's Quinn Mathews throwing 156 pitches.

From the topic heading, I thought this was about NIL issues… :-)  

P.s. This is meant as a joke, not as an argument. No strategy here…

I've spoiled the joke by fixing the typo in the thread title. (It originally said Picture instead of Pitcher.)

[CompSci87]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6380136...age-abuse/

There is reference to Stanford's Quinn Mathews throwing 156 pitches.

From the topic heading, I thought this was about NIL issues… :-)  

P.s. This is meant as a joke, not as an argument. No strategy here…

I've spoiled the joke by fixing the typo in the thread title. (It originally said Picture instead of Pitcher.)

[Embo]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6380136...age-abuse/

There is reference to Stanford's Quinn Mathews throwing 156 pitches.

I'm an old-timer.  This is not new to Stanford.  Stanford faced FSU in the semifinal elimination game in the 1999 CWS.  I followed the game on-line on the NCAA game tracker that was painfully slow to update.  Stanford had the game in the bag at the bottom of the ninth, but you were dreading what might happen.  I've clipped the ugly details that are relevant to this thread:

"Stanford, which trailed 7-2 in the seventh, appeared to have it won with a 9-7 lead in the bottom of the ninth.  Cardinal coach Mark Marquess elected to leave in Jason Young, who already had three complete games in the postseason.
It turned out to be the wrong choice.  Young issued a leadoff walk to Jeremiah Klosterman and Kevin Cash then hit a two-run homer into the left center bleachers, tying it 9-9.  It was Young's 167th pitch.'

https://gostanford.com/news/1999/06/21/c...g-thriller

[Embo]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6380136...age-abuse/

There is reference to Stanford's Quinn Mathews throwing 156 pitches.

I'm an old-timer.  This is not new to Stanford.  Stanford faced FSU in the semifinal elimination game in the 1999 CWS.  I followed the game on-line on the NCAA game tracker that was painfully slow to update.  Stanford had the game in the bag at the bottom of the ninth, but you were dreading what might happen.  I've clipped the ugly details that are relevant to this thread:

"Stanford, which trailed 7-2 in the seventh, appeared to have it won with a 9-7 lead in the bottom of the ninth.  Cardinal coach Mark Marquess elected to leave in Jason Young, who already had three complete games in the postseason.
It turned out to be the wrong choice.  Young issued a leadoff walk to Jeremiah Klosterman and Kevin Cash then hit a two-run homer into the left center bleachers, tying it 9-9.  It was Young's 167th pitch.'

https://gostanford.com/news/1999/06/21/c...g-thriller

[Nobadeer]

I think Jeremy Guthrie threw about 150 pitches in a postseason game many years ago?

[Nobadeer]

I think Jeremy Guthrie threw about 150 pitches in a postseason game many years ago?

[BostonCard]

Yeah, it might be time to put in some safety measures in for pitchers: maximum number of pitches per game and minimum rest between appearances.

BC

[BostonCard]

Yeah, it might be time to put in some safety measures in for pitchers: maximum number of pitches per game and minimum rest between appearances.

BC

[Nobadeer]

I found the Guthrie game, it was May 31, 2002 vs Cal State Fullerton.

He pitched a *13-inning* complete game, LSJU won 3-2. He threw 146 pitches.

https://gostanford.com/news/2002/06/01/s...13-innings

http://www.boydsworld.com/breadcrumbs/supers2002.html

[Nobadeer]

I found the Guthrie game, it was May 31, 2002 vs Cal State Fullerton.

He pitched a *13-inning* complete game, LSJU won 3-2. He threw 146 pitches.

https://gostanford.com/news/2002/06/01/s...13-innings

http://www.boydsworld.com/breadcrumbs/supers2002.html

[Mick]

I seem to recall Tim Lincecum pitched a number of games for Washington over 140 pitches. He holds the records at Washington for most starts (51), and second most overall innings (342). That's an average of just over seven innings per start, assuming no relief appearances. Also holds the record for most strikeouts at 491, meaning he threw a ton of pitches. And Lincecum threw his last pitch in the majors at age 32, but he was basically done by 27. At age 28, he led the NL in losses, earned runs given up and wild pitches. -1.7 WAR that year.

Still, Stanford has six pitchers who threw more innings than Lincecum at Washington (Ballard, Plemel, Petersen, Appel, Spencer, McDowell). None of them are within 100 strikeouts of Lincecum's 491 at UWash.

[Mick]

I seem to recall Tim Lincecum pitched a number of games for Washington over 140 pitches. He holds the records at Washington for most starts (51), and second most overall innings (342). That's an average of just over seven innings per start, assuming no relief appearances. Also holds the record for most strikeouts at 491, meaning he threw a ton of pitches. And Lincecum threw his last pitch in the majors at age 32, but he was basically done by 27. At age 28, he led the NL in losses, earned runs given up and wild pitches. -1.7 WAR that year.

Still, Stanford has six pitchers who threw more innings than Lincecum at Washington (Ballard, Plemel, Petersen, Appel, Spencer, McDowell). None of them are within 100 strikeouts of Lincecum's 491 at UWash.

[fullmetal]

There are certainly some genetically gifted, generational pitchers who can handle high pitch counts and go on short rest, but they are few and far between, imho.  To protect the non-transcendent from their own pride and from overeager coaches, I'd be in favor of pitch count and rest regulations.  It would certainly add an extra wrinkle to pitching roster management.

[fullmetal]

There are certainly some genetically gifted, generational pitchers who can handle high pitch counts and go on short rest, but they are few and far between, imho.  To protect the non-transcendent from their own pride and from overeager coaches, I'd be in favor of pitch count and rest regulations.  It would certainly add an extra wrinkle to pitching roster management.

[lex24]

Nolan Ryan is probably a one-off but he chuckles at this.
I think a bigger problem is year-round baseball for kids.

Definitely a problem. Not just in  baseball. There’s been a lot of studies that indicate that playing multiple sports is much better for kids physically. Makes perfect sense as they’re using different muscles throughout the year.

Speaking of Nolan – his numbers are unbelievable. Particularly given the fact that he was still throwing cheese at 45. I heard recently that he pitched a game where he went 13 innings Struck out 19. Walked 10.

I have to believe that in his earlier years when he would typically strike out 9 or 10 and walk a slew of batters that he was consistently around 150 pitches a game and sometimes approaching near 200. It obviously shortened his career. Otherwise he still might be pitching!

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I seem to recall Tim Lincecum pitched a number of games for Washington over 140 pitches. He holds the records at Washington for most starts (51), and second most overall innings (342). That's an average of just over seven innings per start, assuming no relief appearances. Also holds the record for most strikeouts at 491, meaning he threw a ton of pitches. And Lincecum threw his last pitch in the majors at age 32, but he was basically done by 27. At age 28, he led the NL in losses, earned runs given up and wild pitches. -1.7 WAR that year.

Still, Stanford has six pitchers who threw more innings than Lincecum at Washington (Ballard, Plemel, Petersen, Appel, Spencer, McDowell). None of them are within 100 strikeouts of Lincecum's 491 at UWash.

Lincecum is a tough example. Given his motion, there was always a belief that his career would be short. It’s why he “dropped“ to the Giants in the first round.  But my goodness, did he shine brightly during those years in his prime.  His  NLDS game 1 vs Braves in 2010 is one of the most underrated great postseason pitching performance of my lifetime.

[lex24]

Nolan Ryan is probably a one-off but he chuckles at this.
I think a bigger problem is year-round baseball for kids.

Definitely a problem. Not just in  baseball. There’s been a lot of studies that indicate that playing multiple sports is much better for kids physically. Makes perfect sense as they’re using different muscles throughout the year.

Speaking of Nolan – his numbers are unbelievable. Particularly given the fact that he was still throwing cheese at 45. I heard recently that he pitched a game where he went 13 innings Struck out 19. Walked 10.

I have to believe that in his earlier years when he would typically strike out 9 or 10 and walk a slew of batters that he was consistently around 150 pitches a game and sometimes approaching near 200. It obviously shortened his career. Otherwise he still might be pitching!

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1748327865[/url]']
I seem to recall Tim Lincecum pitched a number of games for Washington over 140 pitches. He holds the records at Washington for most starts (51), and second most overall innings (342). That's an average of just over seven innings per start, assuming no relief appearances. Also holds the record for most strikeouts at 491, meaning he threw a ton of pitches. And Lincecum threw his last pitch in the majors at age 32, but he was basically done by 27. At age 28, he led the NL in losses, earned runs given up and wild pitches. -1.7 WAR that year.

Still, Stanford has six pitchers who threw more innings than Lincecum at Washington (Ballard, Plemel, Petersen, Appel, Spencer, McDowell). None of them are within 100 strikeouts of Lincecum's 491 at UWash.

Lincecum is a tough example. Given his motion, there was always a belief that his career would be short. It’s why he “dropped“ to the Giants in the first round.  But my goodness, did he shine brightly during those years in his prime.  His  NLDS game 1 vs Braves in 2010 is one of the most underrated great postseason pitching performance of my lifetime.