10-13-2012, 04:11 PM
Several incorrect or very questionable official calls that turned the game to ND. Bummer.
Watching Stanford vs. ND
Several incorrect or very questionable official calls that turned the game to ND. Bummer.
10-13-2012, 04:11 PM
Now I sounds like an SC fan - we got jobbed. That was a touchdown. Still, gotta show more offense than that throughout the whole game in order to legitimately claim a win.Â
Now I sounds like an SC fan - we got jobbed. That was a touchdown. Still, gotta show more offense than that throughout the whole game in order to legitimately claim a win.Â
10-13-2012, 04:17 PM
We're like the guy who leaves the keys in his Ferrari with the motor running and then someone steals it. The bad guy is the guy who steals it, but, boy, are we stupid... >:(
If Tom Hammond says "it was a goal line stand for the ages" one more time, my flat screen is history...Â
If Tom Hammond says "it was a goal line stand for the ages" one more time, my flat screen is history...Â
We're like the guy who leaves the keys in his Ferrari with the motor running and then someone steals it. The bad guy is the guy who steals it, but, boy, are we stupid... >:(
If Tom Hammond says "it was a goal line stand for the ages" one more time, my flat screen is history...Â
If Tom Hammond says "it was a goal line stand for the ages" one more time, my flat screen is history...Â
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10-13-2012, 04:19 PM
3 running plays up the middle and you can't score from the 4 yard line AFTER they stopped you on the 3rd yd line in regulation??? Way too conservative play calling, again. A QB sneak would have been better.
3 running plays up the middle and you can't score from the 4 yard line AFTER they stopped you on the 3rd yd line in regulation??? Way too conservative play calling, again. A QB sneak would have been better.
10-13-2012, 04:20 PM
Even if it was TD, Notre Dame deserved to win the game. When your offense can't score a TD, your team doesn't deserve to win. No TD at UW - Loss. No TD at ND - Loss.
The sad thing is all the O had to do was score one TD in each road game this year and Stanford would be 6-0 and be in the Top 5. I've never seen a team be so close yet so far away.
The sad thing is all the O had to do was score one TD in each road game this year and Stanford would be 6-0 and be in the Top 5. I've never seen a team be so close yet so far away.
Even if it was TD, Notre Dame deserved to win the game. When your offense can't score a TD, your team doesn't deserve to win. No TD at UW - Loss. No TD at ND - Loss.
The sad thing is all the O had to do was score one TD in each road game this year and Stanford would be 6-0 and be in the Top 5. I've never seen a team be so close yet so far away.
The sad thing is all the O had to do was score one TD in each road game this year and Stanford would be 6-0 and be in the Top 5. I've never seen a team be so close yet so far away.
10-13-2012, 04:21 PM
Also have to say that I hate NBC. Their announcers twist everything to ND. They did a long and short promotion pieces on ND and nothing for Stanford. They call tackles for a 2yard gain a sack.
Also have to say that I hate NBC. Their announcers twist everything to ND. They did a long and short promotion pieces on ND and nothing for Stanford. They call tackles for a 2yard gain a sack.
10-13-2012, 04:21 PM
(10-13-2012, 04:19 PM)treefan link Wrote:3 running plays up the middle and you can't score from the 4 yard line AFTER they stopped you on the 3rd yd line in regulation??? Way too conservative play calling, again. A QB sneak would have been better.
Except we scored on 2nd down too.
(10-13-2012, 04:19 PM)treefan link Wrote:3 running plays up the middle and you can't score from the 4 yard line AFTER they stopped you on the 3rd yd line in regulation??? Way too conservative play calling, again. A QB sneak would have been better.
Except we scored on 2nd down too.
10-13-2012, 04:24 PM
Scoring twice on 3 plays - agree. And
The interference call against us was a "did not play the ball" call - but our CB turned around and was closer to catching the ball than the receiver. Go figure?
The "helmet to helmet" call looked clearly in the replay that Umanan turned his head and hit with his shoulder and not the helmet.
The interference call against us was a "did not play the ball" call - but our CB turned around and was closer to catching the ball than the receiver. Go figure?
The "helmet to helmet" call looked clearly in the replay that Umanan turned his head and hit with his shoulder and not the helmet.
Scoring twice on 3 plays - agree. And
The interference call against us was a "did not play the ball" call - but our CB turned around and was closer to catching the ball than the receiver. Go figure?
The "helmet to helmet" call looked clearly in the replay that Umanan turned his head and hit with his shoulder and not the helmet.
The interference call against us was a "did not play the ball" call - but our CB turned around and was closer to catching the ball than the receiver. Go figure?
The "helmet to helmet" call looked clearly in the replay that Umanan turned his head and hit with his shoulder and not the helmet.
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10-13-2012, 04:25 PM
I know Stanford OL wanted to make a statement.
But....
If Chip Kelly were coaching Stanford, mark that down as a "W"
Horrible thing to say or think, even, but why not try the unexpected every once in a while.
I'll never forget that fake punt on 4th down against Stanford two years ago.
Stanford played very well. Well enough to win, no question.
Hope they enjoy their pints of Guiness in South Bend.
Good team. But Stanford should have/could have beat 'em.
Last Trombone in Waldport
But....
If Chip Kelly were coaching Stanford, mark that down as a "W"
Horrible thing to say or think, even, but why not try the unexpected every once in a while.
I'll never forget that fake punt on 4th down against Stanford two years ago.
Stanford played very well. Well enough to win, no question.
Hope they enjoy their pints of Guiness in South Bend.
Good team. But Stanford should have/could have beat 'em.
Last Trombone in Waldport
I know Stanford OL wanted to make a statement.
But....
If Chip Kelly were coaching Stanford, mark that down as a "W"
Horrible thing to say or think, even, but why not try the unexpected every once in a while.
I'll never forget that fake punt on 4th down against Stanford two years ago.
Stanford played very well. Well enough to win, no question.
Hope they enjoy their pints of Guiness in South Bend.
Good team. But Stanford should have/could have beat 'em.
Last Trombone in Waldport
But....
If Chip Kelly were coaching Stanford, mark that down as a "W"
Horrible thing to say or think, even, but why not try the unexpected every once in a while.
I'll never forget that fake punt on 4th down against Stanford two years ago.
Stanford played very well. Well enough to win, no question.
Hope they enjoy their pints of Guiness in South Bend.
Good team. But Stanford should have/could have beat 'em.
Last Trombone in Waldport
10-13-2012, 04:29 PM
As a Stanford fan, I think both the 2nd down run and the 4th down run crossed the plane. But objectively it is hard to say- on the 2nd down run his knee may have been down (though it looked like it was just above the ground), and on the 4th down play, his elbow may have been down before he extended.
I only saw the overtime unfortunately, can anybody clue me in on what happened to our offense? Was it a case of Nunes gonna Nunes?
I only saw the overtime unfortunately, can anybody clue me in on what happened to our offense? Was it a case of Nunes gonna Nunes?
As a Stanford fan, I think both the 2nd down run and the 4th down run crossed the plane. But objectively it is hard to say- on the 2nd down run his knee may have been down (though it looked like it was just above the ground), and on the 4th down play, his elbow may have been down before he extended.
I only saw the overtime unfortunately, can anybody clue me in on what happened to our offense? Was it a case of Nunes gonna Nunes?
I only saw the overtime unfortunately, can anybody clue me in on what happened to our offense? Was it a case of Nunes gonna Nunes?
10-13-2012, 04:30 PM
Probably too emotional right now for rational comments, but, I want to see another quarterback leading our team--only if it is an "experiment."
One person not in the least responsible for the outcome was Mr. Stepfan Taylor. Great game for Stepfan. Didn't see the final stats, but he was over 100 yards--again.
One person not in the least responsible for the outcome was Mr. Stepfan Taylor. Great game for Stepfan. Didn't see the final stats, but he was over 100 yards--again.
Probably too emotional right now for rational comments, but, I want to see another quarterback leading our team--only if it is an "experiment."
One person not in the least responsible for the outcome was Mr. Stepfan Taylor. Great game for Stepfan. Didn't see the final stats, but he was over 100 yards--again.
One person not in the least responsible for the outcome was Mr. Stepfan Taylor. Great game for Stepfan. Didn't see the final stats, but he was over 100 yards--again.
10-13-2012, 04:32 PM
I agree - the jumbo, packed in the middle, run it straight ahead has no element of uncertainty. It is just mano on mano and against ND and others it has not worked we'll enough.
Why not split 6-8 Toilolo out wide and let the defense decide if they will cover one on one or put two DBs out wide. I think that is more effective than lining Toilolo in tight. He takes out two players - more than he can do blocking.
Also, it looks Toilolo missed his block on the last play. He got pushed back into the hole and jams up our point of attack. His man stuffs Hewitt and Taylor runs into Hewitt and gets tangled up with Toilolo's legs as Toilolo is laying on the ground.
Why not split 6-8 Toilolo out wide and let the defense decide if they will cover one on one or put two DBs out wide. I think that is more effective than lining Toilolo in tight. He takes out two players - more than he can do blocking.
Also, it looks Toilolo missed his block on the last play. He got pushed back into the hole and jams up our point of attack. His man stuffs Hewitt and Taylor runs into Hewitt and gets tangled up with Toilolo's legs as Toilolo is laying on the ground.
I agree - the jumbo, packed in the middle, run it straight ahead has no element of uncertainty. It is just mano on mano and against ND and others it has not worked we'll enough.
Why not split 6-8 Toilolo out wide and let the defense decide if they will cover one on one or put two DBs out wide. I think that is more effective than lining Toilolo in tight. He takes out two players - more than he can do blocking.
Also, it looks Toilolo missed his block on the last play. He got pushed back into the hole and jams up our point of attack. His man stuffs Hewitt and Taylor runs into Hewitt and gets tangled up with Toilolo's legs as Toilolo is laying on the ground.
Why not split 6-8 Toilolo out wide and let the defense decide if they will cover one on one or put two DBs out wide. I think that is more effective than lining Toilolo in tight. He takes out two players - more than he can do blocking.
Also, it looks Toilolo missed his block on the last play. He got pushed back into the hole and jams up our point of attack. His man stuffs Hewitt and Taylor runs into Hewitt and gets tangled up with Toilolo's legs as Toilolo is laying on the ground.
10-13-2012, 04:36 PM
On third down, I was hoping for the option that Nunes ran effectively against Arizona last week. Or the sprint off-tackle by Taylor.
And I reiterate, it's hard for the offense to wear a defense down if it's never on the field for more than 3 plays at a time.
VG
And I reiterate, it's hard for the offense to wear a defense down if it's never on the field for more than 3 plays at a time.
VG
On third down, I was hoping for the option that Nunes ran effectively against Arizona last week. Or the sprint off-tackle by Taylor.
And I reiterate, it's hard for the offense to wear a defense down if it's never on the field for more than 3 plays at a time.
VG
And I reiterate, it's hard for the offense to wear a defense down if it's never on the field for more than 3 plays at a time.
VG
10-13-2012, 04:37 PM
I wonder what the over/under will be this week on the % chance that the words "asinine," "question," and "play-calling" all appear in the same sentence at a Shaw presser?
10-13-2012, 04:38 PM
(10-13-2012, 04:30 PM)Card Fan in OR link Wrote:Probably too emotional right now for rational comments, but, I want to see another quarterback leading our team--only if it is an "experiment."
One person not in the least responsible for the outcome was Mr. Stepfan Taylor. Great game for Stepfan. Didn't see the final stats, but he was over 100 yards--again.
We've passed the point of no return. Nunes is our QB now.
(10-13-2012, 04:30 PM)Card Fan in OR link Wrote:Probably too emotional right now for rational comments, but, I want to see another quarterback leading our team--only if it is an "experiment."
One person not in the least responsible for the outcome was Mr. Stepfan Taylor. Great game for Stepfan. Didn't see the final stats, but he was over 100 yards--again.
We've passed the point of no return. Nunes is our QB now.
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10-13-2012, 04:44 PM
Shaw needs to go. I would cut him slack as a relatively new HC but his arrogance and refusal to self-correct show there is no upside with him. All of the delay of game calls and poor offensive play calling are on him.
Hard to believe that given such poor coaching and poor QB play we were STILL in a position to win. Our players are so good they overcome it but they deserve better.
Hard to believe that given such poor coaching and poor QB play we were STILL in a position to win. Our players are so good they overcome it but they deserve better.
Shaw needs to go. I would cut him slack as a relatively new HC but his arrogance and refusal to self-correct show there is no upside with him. All of the delay of game calls and poor offensive play calling are on him.
Hard to believe that given such poor coaching and poor QB play we were STILL in a position to win. Our players are so good they overcome it but they deserve better.
Hard to believe that given such poor coaching and poor QB play we were STILL in a position to win. Our players are so good they overcome it but they deserve better.
10-13-2012, 04:44 PM
Some stats...
Taylor, 28 rush, 102 yds, 3.6 yd average
Nunes, 12/25, 125 yards (5.0 avg per attempt), 0 TDs, 2 Ints
Total offense 272 yds, 6-16 on 3rd down.
But hey, Zychlinski averaged 45.7 on his punts, with two inside the 20 and a long of 57....
The numbers don't paint a pretty picture....I'll have to watch the tape before I get too critical, but based on the numbers alone, looks like we're back to looking at 50% passer Nunes. Of course you can already hear the excuses...rain...tough defense away from home...etc. Don't expect a QB change this season unless there is an injury though.
We're halfway into the season, our offense is what it is. And that's not very good.
Taylor, 28 rush, 102 yds, 3.6 yd average
Nunes, 12/25, 125 yards (5.0 avg per attempt), 0 TDs, 2 Ints
Total offense 272 yds, 6-16 on 3rd down.
But hey, Zychlinski averaged 45.7 on his punts, with two inside the 20 and a long of 57....
The numbers don't paint a pretty picture....I'll have to watch the tape before I get too critical, but based on the numbers alone, looks like we're back to looking at 50% passer Nunes. Of course you can already hear the excuses...rain...tough defense away from home...etc. Don't expect a QB change this season unless there is an injury though.
We're halfway into the season, our offense is what it is. And that's not very good.
Some stats...
Taylor, 28 rush, 102 yds, 3.6 yd average
Nunes, 12/25, 125 yards (5.0 avg per attempt), 0 TDs, 2 Ints
Total offense 272 yds, 6-16 on 3rd down.
But hey, Zychlinski averaged 45.7 on his punts, with two inside the 20 and a long of 57....
The numbers don't paint a pretty picture....I'll have to watch the tape before I get too critical, but based on the numbers alone, looks like we're back to looking at 50% passer Nunes. Of course you can already hear the excuses...rain...tough defense away from home...etc. Don't expect a QB change this season unless there is an injury though.
We're halfway into the season, our offense is what it is. And that's not very good.
Taylor, 28 rush, 102 yds, 3.6 yd average
Nunes, 12/25, 125 yards (5.0 avg per attempt), 0 TDs, 2 Ints
Total offense 272 yds, 6-16 on 3rd down.
But hey, Zychlinski averaged 45.7 on his punts, with two inside the 20 and a long of 57....
The numbers don't paint a pretty picture....I'll have to watch the tape before I get too critical, but based on the numbers alone, looks like we're back to looking at 50% passer Nunes. Of course you can already hear the excuses...rain...tough defense away from home...etc. Don't expect a QB change this season unless there is an injury though.
We're halfway into the season, our offense is what it is. And that's not very good.
10-13-2012, 04:46 PM
(10-13-2012, 04:44 PM)49er link Wrote:Shaw needs to go. I would cut him slack as a relatively new HC but his arrogance and refusal to self-correct show there is no upside with him. All of the delay of game calls and poor offensive play calling are on him.
Hard to believe that given such poor coaching and poor QB play we were STILL in a position to win. Our players are so good they overcome it but they deserve better.
Thank you for your opinion, guy with only 1 post.
(10-13-2012, 04:44 PM)49er link Wrote:Shaw needs to go. I would cut him slack as a relatively new HC but his arrogance and refusal to self-correct show there is no upside with him. All of the delay of game calls and poor offensive play calling are on him.
Hard to believe that given such poor coaching and poor QB play we were STILL in a position to win. Our players are so good they overcome it but they deserve better.
Thank you for your opinion, guy with only 1 post.
10-13-2012, 04:46 PM
A good question for Shaw: "At what point would you consider a quarterback change?" Don't give him a yes/no out. I was thinking that in the third quarter, after the third three-and-out in a row to open the second half.
And I feel really badly for the defense, which played a darned good game, and didn't get very much help at all from the offense. They deserve better.
VG
And I feel really badly for the defense, which played a darned good game, and didn't get very much help at all from the offense. They deserve better.
VG
A good question for Shaw: "At what point would you consider a quarterback change?" Don't give him a yes/no out. I was thinking that in the third quarter, after the third three-and-out in a row to open the second half.
And I feel really badly for the defense, which played a darned good game, and didn't get very much help at all from the offense. They deserve better.
VG
And I feel really badly for the defense, which played a darned good game, and didn't get very much help at all from the offense. They deserve better.
VG
10-13-2012, 04:46 PM
Our last two plays were completely predictable. How many times does that ponderous tight formation have to fail before the OC understands that it doesn't work? It's a World War I approach to football. That Taylor's heroics nearly got us a TD (I think they did) is remarkable.
The defense was good to great all day.
We need a new quarterback or the ability to predict when Nunes will dysfunction.
The NBC announcers with their slobbering cheerleading for ND were tiresome in the extreme.
I think I'll have a drink now and ponder the weirdness of Big Game in October.
The defense was good to great all day.
We need a new quarterback or the ability to predict when Nunes will dysfunction.
The NBC announcers with their slobbering cheerleading for ND were tiresome in the extreme.
I think I'll have a drink now and ponder the weirdness of Big Game in October.
Our last two plays were completely predictable. How many times does that ponderous tight formation have to fail before the OC understands that it doesn't work? It's a World War I approach to football. That Taylor's heroics nearly got us a TD (I think they did) is remarkable.
The defense was good to great all day.
We need a new quarterback or the ability to predict when Nunes will dysfunction.
The NBC announcers with their slobbering cheerleading for ND were tiresome in the extreme.
I think I'll have a drink now and ponder the weirdness of Big Game in October.
The defense was good to great all day.
We need a new quarterback or the ability to predict when Nunes will dysfunction.
The NBC announcers with their slobbering cheerleading for ND were tiresome in the extreme.
I think I'll have a drink now and ponder the weirdness of Big Game in October.
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