[stupac2]

Why is Peat now gone after stories/ rumors he will be back?

Because pessimists gotta pessimist.

[stupac2]

Why is Peat now gone after stories/ rumors he will be back?

Because pessimists gotta pessimist.

[BostonCard]

It's Teejers, for whom the glass is not half empty, it's about to be smashed to pieces.

BC

[BostonCard]

It's Teejers, for whom the glass is not half empty, it's about to be smashed to pieces.

BC

[Bruce Wang]

6.  You all are underestimating Jordan Williamson, who I think is probably Stanford's best all time placekicker. 

WTF? This opinion rivals BI in stupidity.

[Bruce Wang]

6.  You all are underestimating Jordan Williamson, who I think is probably Stanford's best all time placekicker. 

WTF? This opinion rivals BI in stupidity.

[CTcard]

[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=11257.msg107564#msg107564 date=1417819852]
6.  You all are underestimating Jordan Williamson, who I think is probably Stanford's best all time placekicker. 

WTF? This opinion rivals BI in stupidity.
[/quote]

This  is one point from Teejers actually worth reflecting upon.

Williamson is perhaps the most fan-abused kicker at Stanford all-time; primarily based upon the Fiesta Bowl - echoed a couple of times (S.-C. this year). But he has strengths that might give him a claim to the title that Teejers bestows.

First stats.
Williamson is #1 all time in number of field goals made at 62, perhaps still countin. Second is Harmon at 59.
Williamson is #4 all time in career FG percentage - 70.5%  (minimum 20 attempts). First is Nate Whitaker at 80.5%. Also behind Zagory and Harmon.
Williamson is tied for first for most consecutive extra points - 71.
Williamson is #3 all time for extra point percentage and kicked a ton more than the two ahead of him (combined).

Williamson has had some bouts of inconsistency, particularly when he was hooking the ball. But he probably has the strongest leg of any kicker I can remember for Stanford. He regularly gets touchbacks on kickoffs, at least when he isn't told to kick toward the corner in the field of play.

If Williamson isn't the best all time kicker, then I would probably go with Nate Whitaker. He was more consistent (though he missed a surprising number of PATs) but his leg was not nearly as strong.

[CTcard]

[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=11257.msg107564#msg107564 date=1417819852]
6.  You all are underestimating Jordan Williamson, who I think is probably Stanford's best all time placekicker. 

WTF? This opinion rivals BI in stupidity.
[/quote]

This  is one point from Teejers actually worth reflecting upon.

Williamson is perhaps the most fan-abused kicker at Stanford all-time; primarily based upon the Fiesta Bowl - echoed a couple of times (S.-C. this year). But he has strengths that might give him a claim to the title that Teejers bestows.

First stats.
Williamson is #1 all time in number of field goals made at 62, perhaps still countin. Second is Harmon at 59.
Williamson is #4 all time in career FG percentage - 70.5%  (minimum 20 attempts). First is Nate Whitaker at 80.5%. Also behind Zagory and Harmon.
Williamson is tied for first for most consecutive extra points - 71.
Williamson is #3 all time for extra point percentage and kicked a ton more than the two ahead of him (combined).

Williamson has had some bouts of inconsistency, particularly when he was hooking the ball. But he probably has the strongest leg of any kicker I can remember for Stanford. He regularly gets touchbacks on kickoffs, at least when he isn't told to kick toward the corner in the field of play.

If Williamson isn't the best all time kicker, then I would probably go with Nate Whitaker. He was more consistent (though he missed a surprising number of PATs) but his leg was not nearly as strong.

[washingtonismoney]

We probably need some sort of value-over-replacement-kicker statistic since FG% is so dependent on where you're kicking the ball.

Still, my belief is that kickers aren't really worth all that much and so I'm not terribly disturbed by his leaving.

[washingtonismoney]

We probably need some sort of value-over-replacement-kicker statistic since FG% is so dependent on where you're kicking the ball.

Still, my belief is that kickers aren't really worth all that much and so I'm not terribly disturbed by his leaving.

[Rally]

[quote author=Publius link=topic=11257.msg107583#msg107583 date=1417828311]
[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=11257.msg107564#msg107564 date=1417819852]
6.  You all are underestimating Jordan Williamson, who I think is probably Stanford's best all time placekicker. 

WTF? This opinion rivals BI in stupidity.
[/quote]

This  is one point from Teejers actually worth reflecting upon.

Williamson is perhaps the most fan-abused kicker at Stanford all-time; primarily based upon the Fiesta Bowl - echoed a couple of times (S.-C. this year). But he has strengths that might give him a claim to the title that Teejers bestows.

First stats.
Williamson is #1 all time in number of field goals made at 62, perhaps still countin. Second is Harmon at 59.
Williamson is #4 all time in career FG percentage - 70.5%  (minimum 20 attempts). First is Nate Whitaker at 80.5%. Also behind Zagory and Harmon.
Williamson is tied for first for most consecutive extra points - 71.
Williamson is #3 all time for extra point percentage and kicked a ton more than the two ahead of him (combined).

Williamson has had some bouts of inconsistency, particularly when he was hooking the ball. But he probably has the strongest leg of any kicker I can remember for Stanford. He regularly gets touchbacks on kickoffs, at least when he isn't told to kick toward the corner in the field of play.

If Williamson isn't the best all time kicker, then I would probably go with Nate Whitaker. He was more consistent (though he missed a surprising number of PATs) but his leg was not nearly as strong.
[/quote]

Garnanzo Bean Garcia for most clutch kicker!

[Rally]

[quote author=Publius link=topic=11257.msg107583#msg107583 date=1417828311]
[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=11257.msg107564#msg107564 date=1417819852]
6.  You all are underestimating Jordan Williamson, who I think is probably Stanford's best all time placekicker. 

WTF? This opinion rivals BI in stupidity.
[/quote]

This  is one point from Teejers actually worth reflecting upon.

Williamson is perhaps the most fan-abused kicker at Stanford all-time; primarily based upon the Fiesta Bowl - echoed a couple of times (S.-C. this year). But he has strengths that might give him a claim to the title that Teejers bestows.

First stats.
Williamson is #1 all time in number of field goals made at 62, perhaps still countin. Second is Harmon at 59.
Williamson is #4 all time in career FG percentage - 70.5%  (minimum 20 attempts). First is Nate Whitaker at 80.5%. Also behind Zagory and Harmon.
Williamson is tied for first for most consecutive extra points - 71.
Williamson is #3 all time for extra point percentage and kicked a ton more than the two ahead of him (combined).

Williamson has had some bouts of inconsistency, particularly when he was hooking the ball. But he probably has the strongest leg of any kicker I can remember for Stanford. He regularly gets touchbacks on kickoffs, at least when he isn't told to kick toward the corner in the field of play.

If Williamson isn't the best all time kicker, then I would probably go with Nate Whitaker. He was more consistent (though he missed a surprising number of PATs) but his leg was not nearly as strong.
[/quote]

Garnanzo Bean Garcia for most clutch kicker!

[CompSci87]

I want a punter like Utah's. That guy is a weapon. MVP of their game against us.

[CompSci87]

I want a punter like Utah's. That guy is a weapon. MVP of their game against us.

[CTcard]

Garnanzo Bean Garcia for most clutch kicker!

Yeah, I almost commented upon him the first time.

Garcia shows up in the Stanford record book in two different ways.

He hit possibly the most important FG in Stanford history to take down Michigan in the 1972 Rose Bowl.
He's also tied for the longest FG in Stanford history - 59 yards in a 1 point loss to S.-C. in 1973.

However, he also appears in the record book in some less exemplary ways.
Second most attempts per game was 5 vs SJS in 1971. But he went 0-5 and Rose Bowl bound Stanford somehow lost 12-13.
He also tied for the most attempts in a season, 31 in 1971. But he only made 16 of them, shy of 52%.
For his career he was 44-84, or 52%. That's not good enough to get on the list of top career percentage FGs.

I was too young to remember, but I suspect Garcia spent some amount of his career driving Stanford fans nuts.

[CTcard]

Garnanzo Bean Garcia for most clutch kicker!

Yeah, I almost commented upon him the first time.

Garcia shows up in the Stanford record book in two different ways.

He hit possibly the most important FG in Stanford history to take down Michigan in the 1972 Rose Bowl.
He's also tied for the longest FG in Stanford history - 59 yards in a 1 point loss to S.-C. in 1973.

However, he also appears in the record book in some less exemplary ways.
Second most attempts per game was 5 vs SJS in 1971. But he went 0-5 and Rose Bowl bound Stanford somehow lost 12-13.
He also tied for the most attempts in a season, 31 in 1971. But he only made 16 of them, shy of 52%.
For his career he was 44-84, or 52%. That's not good enough to get on the list of top career percentage FGs.

I was too young to remember, but I suspect Garcia spent some amount of his career driving Stanford fans nuts.

[CornFed]

[quote author=garvin link=topic=11257.msg107627#msg107627 date=1417878931]

I suspect Garcia spent some amount of his career driving Stanford fans nuts.

Yup.

To be fair, Garcia was sent out to kick a lot of improbably long field goals, especially near the end of the first half. In those days, a missed field goal gave the opponent the ball at his own 20, so in a lot of circumstances, it was a like a punt that had some small possibility of yielding some points.

Thanks, ferrari, for giving me another opportunity to review garvin's post.  I had missed much of the nuance.  ;D
[/quote]

[CornFed]

[quote author=garvin link=topic=11257.msg107627#msg107627 date=1417878931]

I suspect Garcia spent some amount of his career driving Stanford fans nuts.

Yup.

To be fair, Garcia was sent out to kick a lot of improbably long field goals, especially near the end of the first half. In those days, a missed field goal gave the opponent the ball at his own 20, so in a lot of circumstances, it was a like a punt that had some small possibility of yielding some points.

Thanks, ferrari, for giving me another opportunity to review garvin's post.  I had missed much of the nuance.  ;D
[/quote]

[Cowboy1]

Kickers are remembered more for their misses than anything else. Fiesta Bowl and Williamson will always go together.

[Cowboy1]

Kickers are remembered more for their misses than anything else. Fiesta Bowl and Williamson will always go together.

[CornFed]

[quote author=CornFed link=topic=11257.msg107631#msg107631 date=1417883741]
[quote author=ferrari link=topic=11257.msg107628#msg107628 date=1417881254]
[quote author=garvin link=topic=11257.msg107627#msg107627 date=1417878931]

I suspect Garcia spent some amount of his career driving Stanford fans nuts.

Yup.

To be fair, Garcia was sent out to kick a lot of improbably long field goals, especially near the end of the first half. In those days, a missed field goal gave the opponent the ball at his own 20, so in a lot of circumstances, it was a like a punt that had some small possibility of yielding some points.

Thanks, ferrari, for giving me another opportunity to review garvin's post.  I had missed much of the nuance.  ;D

Well, I had written a terribly insightful couple of paragraphs on this subject but somehow they never made it onto the post.  Trust me, it was brilliant and you would have enjoyed it.
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
I can only imagine.  Literally.

[CornFed]

[quote author=CornFed link=topic=11257.msg107631#msg107631 date=1417883741]
[quote author=ferrari link=topic=11257.msg107628#msg107628 date=1417881254]
[quote author=garvin link=topic=11257.msg107627#msg107627 date=1417878931]

I suspect Garcia spent some amount of his career driving Stanford fans nuts.

Yup.

To be fair, Garcia was sent out to kick a lot of improbably long field goals, especially near the end of the first half. In those days, a missed field goal gave the opponent the ball at his own 20, so in a lot of circumstances, it was a like a punt that had some small possibility of yielding some points.

Thanks, ferrari, for giving me another opportunity to review garvin's post.  I had missed much of the nuance.  ;D

Well, I had written a terribly insightful couple of paragraphs on this subject but somehow they never made it onto the post.  Trust me, it was brilliant and you would have enjoyed it.
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
I can only imagine.  Literally.

[OutsiderFan]

If Hogan, Peat, Carter, and Hoffpauir return, Stanford could bring back 16/22 starters, including 9/11 on offense, a QB in his 4th year as a starter, and all five OL with potentially 91 returning starts between them.  That's a recipe for success.

When you consider Oregon loses Mariota + three Senior OL and had a combined 108 returning starts going into 2014, and UW loses four Senior OL and had 124 starts going into 2014, Stanford should be considered the favorite to win the Pac-12 North in 2015 if those guys return.

[OutsiderFan]

If Hogan, Peat, Carter, and Hoffpauir return, Stanford could bring back 16/22 starters, including 9/11 on offense, a QB in his 4th year as a starter, and all five OL with potentially 91 returning starts between them.  That's a recipe for success.

When you consider Oregon loses Mariota + three Senior OL and had a combined 108 returning starts going into 2014, and UW loses four Senior OL and had 124 starts going into 2014, Stanford should be considered the favorite to win the Pac-12 North in 2015 if those guys return.

[CTcard]

If Hogan, Peat, Carter, and Hoffpauir return, Stanford could bring back 16/22 starters, including 9/11 on offense, a QB in his 4th year as a starter, and all five OL with potentially 91 returning starts between them.  That's a recipe for success.

When you consider Oregon loses Mariota + three Senior OL and had a combined 108 returning starts going into 2014, and UW loses four Senior OL and had 124 starts going into 2014, Stanford should be considered the favorite to win the Pac-12 North in 2015 if those guys return.

Beyond the big IF you started with, I think you also have to look at who Oregon has coming back and as replacements before you write them off as Pac 12 North favourites.
But Stanford could have the personnel to be very good.

[CTcard]

If Hogan, Peat, Carter, and Hoffpauir return, Stanford could bring back 16/22 starters, including 9/11 on offense, a QB in his 4th year as a starter, and all five OL with potentially 91 returning starts between them.  That's a recipe for success.

When you consider Oregon loses Mariota + three Senior OL and had a combined 108 returning starts going into 2014, and UW loses four Senior OL and had 124 starts going into 2014, Stanford should be considered the favorite to win the Pac-12 North in 2015 if those guys return.

Beyond the big IF you started with, I think you also have to look at who Oregon has coming back and as replacements before you write them off as Pac 12 North favourites.
But Stanford could have the personnel to be very good.

[Langdude]

I am curious as to why folks think that Hoffpauir is leaving. I understand that he will likely be drafted in baseball, but it seems that we've had others who were drafted in baseball, played in the summer, and still played football - I am thinking of Hoffpauir's position-mate, John Lynch. Now, if Hoffpauir thinks his future is in baseball only, or lacks the passion for football, I can see him not returning.

Even with departures, I think all positions should have sufficient talent and depth - except for DL. I for one do not think that you need a "cowbell" (as I heard it described on one broadcast) RB that apparently MUST weigh 20 lbs. (not 10) more than what we have. I think, rather, that you need a strong run-blocking line, a smart and determined runner (with, of course, ability and strength), and plays designed to maximize both.

-m.

[Langdude]

I am curious as to why folks think that Hoffpauir is leaving. I understand that he will likely be drafted in baseball, but it seems that we've had others who were drafted in baseball, played in the summer, and still played football - I am thinking of Hoffpauir's position-mate, John Lynch. Now, if Hoffpauir thinks his future is in baseball only, or lacks the passion for football, I can see him not returning.

Even with departures, I think all positions should have sufficient talent and depth - except for DL. I for one do not think that you need a "cowbell" (as I heard it described on one broadcast) RB that apparently MUST weigh 20 lbs. (not 10) more than what we have. I think, rather, that you need a strong run-blocking line, a smart and determined runner (with, of course, ability and strength), and plays designed to maximize both.

-m.

[ChicagoCard]

I for one do not think that you need a "cowbell" (as I heard it described on one broadcast)

Haha, wasn't that Allioti on a Pac-12 Networks broadcast? Neuheisel made a point of his language gaffe.

[ChicagoCard]

I for one do not think that you need a "cowbell" (as I heard it described on one broadcast)

Haha, wasn't that Allioti on a Pac-12 Networks broadcast? Neuheisel made a point of his language gaffe.

[BobK]

Playing pro baseball then coming back that same summer for FB is very rare.  Elway also did it.  Lynch was able to play only 8 games the summer prior to his Sr season.  School out mid June, back for FB in this coming season about Aug 10-12.

Of course Lynch's jersey is in the Baseball Hall of Fame.    8)

[BobK]

Playing pro baseball then coming back that same summer for FB is very rare.  Elway also did it.  Lynch was able to play only 8 games the summer prior to his Sr season.  School out mid June, back for FB in this coming season about Aug 10-12.

Of course Lynch's jersey is in the Baseball Hall of Fame.    8)