06-13-2015, 03:36 PM
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
Let's find and admit a Rivals 2 star
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W. Churchill
06-13-2015, 11:43 PM
I think it's great that a former 2 star made defensive POY. Sort of a Cinderella story.
However, if we are looking for future defensive POY's, I believe they are more likely to come from the ranks of the 4-5 stars than they are from the 2-3 stars.
Recruiting is based on probabilities. Like most things in life, there are few if any can't misses.
However, if we are looking for future defensive POY's, I believe they are more likely to come from the ranks of the 4-5 stars than they are from the 2-3 stars.
Recruiting is based on probabilities. Like most things in life, there are few if any can't misses.
I think it's great that a former 2 star made defensive POY. Sort of a Cinderella story.
However, if we are looking for future defensive POY's, I believe they are more likely to come from the ranks of the 4-5 stars than they are from the 2-3 stars.
Recruiting is based on probabilities. Like most things in life, there are few if any can't misses.
However, if we are looking for future defensive POY's, I believe they are more likely to come from the ranks of the 4-5 stars than they are from the 2-3 stars.
Recruiting is based on probabilities. Like most things in life, there are few if any can't misses.
06-14-2015, 04:22 AM
Its a world turned upside down for some people when they value a star system (that is, basically, meaningless the moment a student-athlete signs his letter of intent and has to go onto the practice field with his college teammates), over actual accomplishments at the highest level of professional football, a level that a considerable number of 5* players never reach, even as bench warmers, much less POY award winners.
Its a world turned upside down for some people when they value a star system (that is, basically, meaningless the moment a student-athlete signs his letter of intent and has to go onto the practice field with his college teammates), over actual accomplishments at the highest level of professional football, a level that a considerable number of 5* players never reach, even as bench warmers, much less POY award winners.
06-14-2015, 12:10 PM
I hope that Shaw & Co don't put too much focus on the star system across the board and fall into the trap of that being the be-all and end-all. There are more Ben Gardner's (and many others) out there - plenty more.
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06-14-2015, 02:08 PM
(06-14-2015, 12:10 PM)winflop link Wrote:I hope that Shaw & Co don't put too much focus on the star system across the board and fall into the trap of that being the be-all and end-all. There are more Ben Gardner's (and many others) out there - plenty more.
I'm certain they don't care about star ratings at all, only about their own evaluations of the players. Star ratings are for fan entertainment.
(06-14-2015, 12:10 PM)winflop link Wrote:I hope that Shaw & Co don't put too much focus on the star system across the board and fall into the trap of that being the be-all and end-all. There are more Ben Gardner's (and many others) out there - plenty more.
I'm certain they don't care about star ratings at all, only about their own evaluations of the players. Star ratings are for fan entertainment.
06-14-2015, 03:17 PM
(06-14-2015, 02:49 PM)ferrari link Wrote:This is proven by the fact that star ratings often go up as offers come in.
That doesn't really prove anything. If the question is, 'what should a coach use to evaluate recruits?', then yes, that's a fatal blow. But there's no one on this thread espousing that position.
If the question is, 'what's a good way for a fan to get a rough idea of what players/teams are good?' That proves nothing at all.
On the contrary, we know recruiting ratings are actually fairly good predictors of future success. We know your Alabamas and Ohio States get great recruiting classes and then convert that into dominance on the field. And we know that, per capita, four- and five-star players are much more likely to become All-Americans in college and then get drafted by the NFL. It's well-established by now.* On the other hand, if you prefer to indulge your availability biases, go right ahead.
* (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=ch...20rankings)
(06-14-2015, 02:49 PM)ferrari link Wrote:This is proven by the fact that star ratings often go up as offers come in.
That doesn't really prove anything. If the question is, 'what should a coach use to evaluate recruits?', then yes, that's a fatal blow. But there's no one on this thread espousing that position.
If the question is, 'what's a good way for a fan to get a rough idea of what players/teams are good?' That proves nothing at all.
On the contrary, we know recruiting ratings are actually fairly good predictors of future success. We know your Alabamas and Ohio States get great recruiting classes and then convert that into dominance on the field. And we know that, per capita, four- and five-star players are much more likely to become All-Americans in college and then get drafted by the NFL. It's well-established by now.* On the other hand, if you prefer to indulge your availability biases, go right ahead.
* (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=ch...20rankings)
06-14-2015, 03:39 PM
Mr. car-guy, I would be curious to know what you think the antecedent of "this" is in your post.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
06-14-2015, 04:37 PM
Winflop -
"Star ratings are for fan entertainment."
ferrari -
"This is proven by the fact that star ratings often go up as offers come in"
It seems to me that this point doesn't refer to how Stanford's coaches evaluate players as much as it offers an opinion about the possibility that star ratings follow a herd mentality. Very well may be true, but I took WIM's point to be a serious effort to substantiate the fact that star ratings have actual predictive value. Truly I offer a mea culpa if my inquiry got your dander up. I only was playing with your handle as imitative flattery of your own efforts with WIM's handle.
"Star ratings are for fan entertainment."
ferrari -
"This is proven by the fact that star ratings often go up as offers come in"
It seems to me that this point doesn't refer to how Stanford's coaches evaluate players as much as it offers an opinion about the possibility that star ratings follow a herd mentality. Very well may be true, but I took WIM's point to be a serious effort to substantiate the fact that star ratings have actual predictive value. Truly I offer a mea culpa if my inquiry got your dander up. I only was playing with your handle as imitative flattery of your own efforts with WIM's handle.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
Winflop -
"Star ratings are for fan entertainment."
ferrari -
"This is proven by the fact that star ratings often go up as offers come in"
It seems to me that this point doesn't refer to how Stanford's coaches evaluate players as much as it offers an opinion about the possibility that star ratings follow a herd mentality. Very well may be true, but I took WIM's point to be a serious effort to substantiate the fact that star ratings have actual predictive value. Truly I offer a mea culpa if my inquiry got your dander up. I only was playing with your handle as imitative flattery of your own efforts with WIM's handle.
"Star ratings are for fan entertainment."
ferrari -
"This is proven by the fact that star ratings often go up as offers come in"
It seems to me that this point doesn't refer to how Stanford's coaches evaluate players as much as it offers an opinion about the possibility that star ratings follow a herd mentality. Very well may be true, but I took WIM's point to be a serious effort to substantiate the fact that star ratings have actual predictive value. Truly I offer a mea culpa if my inquiry got your dander up. I only was playing with your handle as imitative flattery of your own efforts with WIM's handle.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
06-14-2015, 05:09 PM
CornFed's reading seems like the only reasonable one, particularly given that Ferrari began the thread with a plea to recruit 2-star players -- an implicit argument that recruiting rankings have little to negative predictive value. So if that's not the argument Ferrari was advancing, his real one was very well concealed.
CornFed's reading seems like the only reasonable one, particularly given that Ferrari began the thread with a plea to recruit 2-star players -- an implicit argument that recruiting rankings have little to negative predictive value. So if that's not the argument Ferrari was advancing, his real one was very well concealed.
06-14-2015, 05:49 PM
Getting chippy in here ...
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06-15-2015, 10:51 AM
How about a no star? Might not be an NFL star (he projects as an OG and offensive linemen do not receive much attention), but I see a diamond in the rough for the college level. Mean blocker and quick for 300+ lbs. He is camping with us this week.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3118147/tyler-witt
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...itt-161092
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3118147/tyler-witt
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...itt-161092
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
How about a no star? Might not be an NFL star (he projects as an OG and offensive linemen do not receive much attention), but I see a diamond in the rough for the college level. Mean blocker and quick for 300+ lbs. He is camping with us this week.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3118147/tyler-witt
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...itt-161092
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3118147/tyler-witt
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...itt-161092
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
06-15-2015, 04:10 PM
This conversation is getting confusing.
Actually I said that.
I gather a post or two got deleted as I can't find where ferrari said that.
(06-14-2015, 04:37 PM)CornFed link Wrote:Winflop -
"Star ratings are for fan entertainment."
Actually I said that.
Quote:ferrari -
"This is proven by the fact that star ratings often go up as offers come in"
I gather a post or two got deleted as I can't find where ferrari said that.
This conversation is getting confusing.
Actually I said that.
I gather a post or two got deleted as I can't find where ferrari said that.
(06-14-2015, 04:37 PM)CornFed link Wrote:Winflop -
"Star ratings are for fan entertainment."
Actually I said that.
Quote:ferrari -
"This is proven by the fact that star ratings often go up as offers come in"
I gather a post or two got deleted as I can't find where ferrari said that.
06-16-2015, 07:41 AM
Another player who was relatively unknown until last month is Matthew Gutwald (OG) also a very mean blocker. Now listed as a 3-star recruit, he was a no star prior to several pac12 offers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/highschool/footb...ald-175159
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4550325/matthew-gutwald
Both Gutwald and Witt would easily gain admission academically with a scholarship. I would suspect at least one of them walks out of camp this week with an offer. I have heard we are taking two interior lineman so there is room to offer both if other higher priority prospects do not materialize.
http://sports.yahoo.com/highschool/footb...ald-175159
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4550325/matthew-gutwald
Both Gutwald and Witt would easily gain admission academically with a scholarship. I would suspect at least one of them walks out of camp this week with an offer. I have heard we are taking two interior lineman so there is room to offer both if other higher priority prospects do not materialize.
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
Another player who was relatively unknown until last month is Matthew Gutwald (OG) also a very mean blocker. Now listed as a 3-star recruit, he was a no star prior to several pac12 offers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/highschool/footb...ald-175159
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4550325/matthew-gutwald
Both Gutwald and Witt would easily gain admission academically with a scholarship. I would suspect at least one of them walks out of camp this week with an offer. I have heard we are taking two interior lineman so there is room to offer both if other higher priority prospects do not materialize.
http://sports.yahoo.com/highschool/footb...ald-175159
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4550325/matthew-gutwald
Both Gutwald and Witt would easily gain admission academically with a scholarship. I would suspect at least one of them walks out of camp this week with an offer. I have heard we are taking two interior lineman so there is room to offer both if other higher priority prospects do not materialize.
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
06-22-2015, 12:29 PM
(06-15-2015, 10:51 AM)PrinceLightfoot link Wrote:How about a no star? Might not be an NFL star (he projects as an OG and offensive linemen do not receive much attention), but I see a diamond in the rough for the college level. Mean blocker and quick for 300+ lbs. He is camping with us this week.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3118147/tyler-witt
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...itt-161092
After performing very well at Stanford camp this past week particularly on the board drill, he earned a preferred walk-on spot.
[tweet]612962760419377152[/tweet]
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
(06-15-2015, 10:51 AM)PrinceLightfoot link Wrote:How about a no star? Might not be an NFL star (he projects as an OG and offensive linemen do not receive much attention), but I see a diamond in the rough for the college level. Mean blocker and quick for 300+ lbs. He is camping with us this week.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3118147/tyler-witt
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...itt-161092
After performing very well at Stanford camp this past week particularly on the board drill, he earned a preferred walk-on spot.
[tweet]612962760419377152[/tweet]
If I had a dollar every time I was distracted, I wish I had some ice cream.
06-25-2015, 11:03 PM
We found one:
http://sports.yahoo.com/stanford/footbal...big-169331
(technically, he's a Rivals ** and a Scout ***)
BC
http://sports.yahoo.com/stanford/footbal...big-169331
(technically, he's a Rivals ** and a Scout ***)
BC
We found one:
http://sports.yahoo.com/stanford/footbal...big-169331
(technically, he's a Rivals ** and a Scout ***)
BC
http://sports.yahoo.com/stanford/footbal...big-169331
(technically, he's a Rivals ** and a Scout ***)
BC
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