[qwerty49]

Two possible factors are that supposedly (a) there is a dearth of strong quarterbacks coming out of college this year, but lots of strong quarterbacks in the 2020 draft (Herbert, Tagovailoa, Fromm).  Heard that on KNBR.  Have no idea whether it's meaningful.  And (b) since five quarterbacks were taken in last year's first round, it is likelier that a good team will take a chance on Costello than a bad team.

Plunkett and Luck are testimony to what happens when a bad team drafts a great QB.  But Trent Edwards probably took the biggest pounding of them all at Buffalo.

[qwerty49]

Two possible factors are that supposedly (a) there is a dearth of strong quarterbacks coming out of college this year, but lots of strong quarterbacks in the 2020 draft (Herbert, Tagovailoa, Fromm).  Heard that on KNBR.  Have no idea whether it's meaningful.  And (b) since five quarterbacks were taken in last year's first round, it is likelier that a good team will take a chance on Costello than a bad team.

Plunkett and Luck are testimony to what happens when a bad team drafts a great QB.  But Trent Edwards probably took the biggest pounding of them all at Buffalo.

[JustAnotherFan]

Phogge is Butterfields agent.....  BTW, couldn’t agree more that Shaw needs to recruit more QB’s. This guy is a legacy in his backyard. Not offering makes no friggin sense.

Well they all can watch Butterfield win the Voldemort at some other place.

I assume it is because he has Tanner McKee coming in in that class. Yes, McKee could opt out, but he probably won't. It may not make any sense to Cardboarders but it does to Shaw, and he is the only one whose vote counts.

Haven't we lost a pretty highly ranked recruit or two at QB to BYU after they came back from a mission?

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Two possible factors are that supposedly (a) there is a dearth of strong quarterbacks coming out of college this year, but lots of strong quarterbacks in the 2020 draft (Herbert, Tagovailoa, Fromm).  Heard that on KNBR.  Have no idea whether it's meaningful.  And (b) since five quarterbacks were taken in last year's first round, it is likelier that a good team will take a chance on Costello than a bad team.

Although it is doubtful, wouldn't Costello be able to come back as a fifth year senior (assuming no one takes his job)?

[JustAnotherFan]

Phogge is Butterfields agent.....  BTW, couldn’t agree more that Shaw needs to recruit more QB’s. This guy is a legacy in his backyard. Not offering makes no friggin sense.

Well they all can watch Butterfield win the Voldemort at some other place.

I assume it is because he has Tanner McKee coming in in that class. Yes, McKee could opt out, but he probably won't. It may not make any sense to Cardboarders but it does to Shaw, and he is the only one whose vote counts.

Haven't we lost a pretty highly ranked recruit or two at QB to BYU after they came back from a mission?

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Two possible factors are that supposedly (a) there is a dearth of strong quarterbacks coming out of college this year, but lots of strong quarterbacks in the 2020 draft (Herbert, Tagovailoa, Fromm).  Heard that on KNBR.  Have no idea whether it's meaningful.  And (b) since five quarterbacks were taken in last year's first round, it is likelier that a good team will take a chance on Costello than a bad team.

Although it is doubtful, wouldn't Costello be able to come back as a fifth year senior (assuming no one takes his job)?

[JohnR34231]

Phogge is Butterfields agent.....  BTW, couldn’t agree more that Shaw needs to recruit more QB’s. This guy is a legacy in his backyard. Not offering makes no friggin sense.

Well they all can watch Butterfield win the Voldemort at some other place.

I assume it is because he has Tanner McKee coming in in that class. Yes, McKee could opt out, but he probably won't. It may not make any sense to Cardboarders but it does to Shaw, and he is the only one whose vote counts.

Haven't we lost a pretty highly ranked recruit or two at QB to BYU after they came back from a mission?

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Two possible factors are that supposedly (a) there is a dearth of strong quarterbacks coming out of college this year, but lots of strong quarterbacks in the 2020 draft (Herbert, Tagovailoa, Fromm).  Heard that on KNBR.  Have no idea whether it's meaningful.  And (b) since five quarterbacks were taken in last year's first round, it is likelier that a good team will take a chance on Costello than a bad team.

Although it is doubtful, wouldn't Costello be able to come back as a fifth year senior (assuming no one takes his job)?

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

[JohnR34231]

Phogge is Butterfields agent.....  BTW, couldn’t agree more that Shaw needs to recruit more QB’s. This guy is a legacy in his backyard. Not offering makes no friggin sense.

Well they all can watch Butterfield win the Voldemort at some other place.

I assume it is because he has Tanner McKee coming in in that class. Yes, McKee could opt out, but he probably won't. It may not make any sense to Cardboarders but it does to Shaw, and he is the only one whose vote counts.

Haven't we lost a pretty highly ranked recruit or two at QB to BYU after they came back from a mission?

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Two possible factors are that supposedly (a) there is a dearth of strong quarterbacks coming out of college this year, but lots of strong quarterbacks in the 2020 draft (Herbert, Tagovailoa, Fromm).  Heard that on KNBR.  Have no idea whether it's meaningful.  And (b) since five quarterbacks were taken in last year's first round, it is likelier that a good team will take a chance on Costello than a bad team.

Although it is doubtful, wouldn't Costello be able to come back as a fifth year senior (assuming no one takes his job)?

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

[BostonCard]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Didn’t Kirk Chambers come back from his mission in Dec, participate in spring practice and then start as a true freshman the following year?

BC

[BostonCard]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Didn’t Kirk Chambers come back from his mission in Dec, participate in spring practice and then start as a true freshman the following year?

BC

[JustAnotherFan]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Thanks very much.

[JustAnotherFan]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Thanks very much.

[SamuelMcF]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Thanks very much.

To expand on this, since Taysom Hill we've averaged ~1 LDS missionary signee per year. All of them have come to Stanford post-mission thus far. There's a 2020 LDS guy on the radar as well.

2010 Dallas Lloyd
2012 Brandon Fanaika
2013 Sean Barton
2015 Gabe Reid
2015 Houston Heimuli
2016 Simi Fehoko
2016 Loa Kaufusi
2017 Levani Damuni
[2018 Tanner McKee]

[SamuelMcF]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Thanks very much.

To expand on this, since Taysom Hill we've averaged ~1 LDS missionary signee per year. All of them have come to Stanford post-mission thus far. There's a 2020 LDS guy on the radar as well.

2010 Dallas Lloyd
2012 Brandon Fanaika
2013 Sean Barton
2015 Gabe Reid
2015 Houston Heimuli
2016 Simi Fehoko
2016 Loa Kaufusi
2017 Levani Damuni
[2018 Tanner McKee]

[d4cohn]

I obviously want KJ to return, but surely he would be a better long-term fit in the pros, even right now, than Lamar Jackson, a first round pick last year. 

I fully expect, whenever he decides to declare, to be one of the first QB's off the board. If it is next year as opposed to this year, I can see him being a late 1st-2nd round pick.

[d4cohn]

I obviously want KJ to return, but surely he would be a better long-term fit in the pros, even right now, than Lamar Jackson, a first round pick last year. 

I fully expect, whenever he decides to declare, to be one of the first QB's off the board. If it is next year as opposed to this year, I can see him being a late 1st-2nd round pick.

[Langdude]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Thanks very much.

To expand on this, since Taysom Hill we've averaged ~1 LDS missionary signee per year. All of them have come to Stanford post-mission thus far. There's a 2020 LDS guy on the radar as well.

2010 Dallas Lloyd
2012 Brandon Fanaika
2013 Sean Barton
2015 Gabe Reid
2015 Houston Heimuli
2016 Simi Fehoko
2016 Loa Kaufusi
2017 Levani Damuni
[2018 Tanner McKee]

Don't forget Sione Heimuli-Lund.

-m.

[Langdude]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Thanks very much.

To expand on this, since Taysom Hill we've averaged ~1 LDS missionary signee per year. All of them have come to Stanford post-mission thus far. There's a 2020 LDS guy on the radar as well.

2010 Dallas Lloyd
2012 Brandon Fanaika
2013 Sean Barton
2015 Gabe Reid
2015 Houston Heimuli
2016 Simi Fehoko
2016 Loa Kaufusi
2017 Levani Damuni
[2018 Tanner McKee]

Don't forget Sione Heimuli-Lund.

-m.

[Durty Nelly]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Thanks very much.

To expand on this, since Taysom Hill we've averaged ~1 LDS missionary signee per year. All of them have come to Stanford post-mission thus far. There's a 2020 LDS guy on the radar as well.

2010 Dallas Lloyd
2012 Brandon Fanaika
2013 Sean Barton
2015 Gabe Reid
2015 Houston Heimuli
2016 Simi Fehoko
2016 Loa Kaufusi
2017 Levani Damuni
[2018 Tanner McKee]

Don't forget Sione Heimuli-Lund.

-m.

He did not go on a mission.

[Durty Nelly]

To my knowledge, we have only lost one QB to BYU coming back from a mission (Taysom Hill).
Here's why we lost him.
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id...type=CMSID
People always use that as an example of how we shouldn't count on players returning from missions, but I believe it is pretty rare that we lose anyone.
Also, McKee said that short of something drastic like a head coach quitting his commitment was rock solid.

Thanks very much.

To expand on this, since Taysom Hill we've averaged ~1 LDS missionary signee per year. All of them have come to Stanford post-mission thus far. There's a 2020 LDS guy on the radar as well.

2010 Dallas Lloyd
2012 Brandon Fanaika
2013 Sean Barton
2015 Gabe Reid
2015 Houston Heimuli
2016 Simi Fehoko
2016 Loa Kaufusi
2017 Levani Damuni
[2018 Tanner McKee]

Don't forget Sione Heimuli-Lund.

-m.

He did not go on a mission.

[terry]

Didn’t Kirk Chambers come back from his mission in Dec, participate in spring practice and then start as a true freshman the following year?

To the best of my recollection, Kirk Chambers started school at Stanford in the fall of 1997, was on the roster during the 1997 season but did not play (making 1997 a redshirt year), went on his mission in January 1998, returned to Stanford in January 2000, participated in spring practice, and became a starting tackle in the fall of 2000.

[terry]

Didn’t Kirk Chambers come back from his mission in Dec, participate in spring practice and then start as a true freshman the following year?

To the best of my recollection, Kirk Chambers started school at Stanford in the fall of 1997, was on the roster during the 1997 season but did not play (making 1997 a redshirt year), went on his mission in January 1998, returned to Stanford in January 2000, participated in spring practice, and became a starting tackle in the fall of 2000.

[82lsju]

Didn’t Kirk Chambers come back from his mission in Dec, participate in spring practice and then start as a true freshman the following year?

To the best of my recollection, Kirk Chambers started school at Stanford in the fall of 1997, was on the roster during the 1997 season but did not play (making 1997 a redshirt year), went on his mission in January 1998, returned to Stanford in January 2000, participated in spring practice, and became a starting tackle in the fall of 2000.

https://gostanford.com/news/2013/4/17/208440927.aspx

The 2000 Season: Returned to The Farm as a 21-year old freshman after his two-year mission ... In his first season at Stanford, Kirk earned the starting assignment at left tackle and held that position throughout the '00 campaign ... He started all 11 games and was an integral part of the Cardinal's offensive line ... Co-winner with Chris Lewis of the Menlo-Atherton Trophy as the team's top freshman. The 1998-99 Seasons: Did not play football while spending both seasons as part of a Mormon Mission in Berlin, Germany.

In High School: A SuperPrep All-American as an offensive lineman as a senior at Provo High School in 1997 

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/5100...nford.html

After high school, Chambers departed for a two-year LDS mission to Berlin, Germany, and upon his return, he enrolled at Stanford as a freshman in 2000. He's started all 35 games since for the Cardinal. 

[82lsju]

Didn’t Kirk Chambers come back from his mission in Dec, participate in spring practice and then start as a true freshman the following year?

To the best of my recollection, Kirk Chambers started school at Stanford in the fall of 1997, was on the roster during the 1997 season but did not play (making 1997 a redshirt year), went on his mission in January 1998, returned to Stanford in January 2000, participated in spring practice, and became a starting tackle in the fall of 2000.

https://gostanford.com/news/2013/4/17/208440927.aspx

The 2000 Season: Returned to The Farm as a 21-year old freshman after his two-year mission ... In his first season at Stanford, Kirk earned the starting assignment at left tackle and held that position throughout the '00 campaign ... He started all 11 games and was an integral part of the Cardinal's offensive line ... Co-winner with Chris Lewis of the Menlo-Atherton Trophy as the team's top freshman. The 1998-99 Seasons: Did not play football while spending both seasons as part of a Mormon Mission in Berlin, Germany.

In High School: A SuperPrep All-American as an offensive lineman as a senior at Provo High School in 1997 

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/5100...nford.html

After high school, Chambers departed for a two-year LDS mission to Berlin, Germany, and upon his return, he enrolled at Stanford as a freshman in 2000. He's started all 35 games since for the Cardinal. 

[winflop]

I obviously want KJ to return, but surely he would be a better long-term fit in the pros, even right now, than Lamar Jackson, a first round pick last year. 

I fully expect, whenever he decides to declare, to be one of the first QB's off the board. If it is next year as opposed to this year, I can see him being a late 1st-2nd round pick.

Draft evaluators would disagree with your assessment. The best I've seen him rated on any board this year is 4th round.

[winflop]

I obviously want KJ to return, but surely he would be a better long-term fit in the pros, even right now, than Lamar Jackson, a first round pick last year. 

I fully expect, whenever he decides to declare, to be one of the first QB's off the board. If it is next year as opposed to this year, I can see him being a late 1st-2nd round pick.

Draft evaluators would disagree with your assessment. The best I've seen him rated on any board this year is 4th round.

[terry]

In High School: A SuperPrep All-American as an offensive lineman as a senior at Provo High School in 1997 
 

This is misleading to the extent it implies that Kirk Chambers played the 1997 season at Provo High School. Chambers is in the Stanford media guide for the 1997 season, listed as a true freshman. His last season in high school was 1996.

By the way, Chambers is now a teacher, coach, and athletic director at Provo High School.

[terry]

In High School: A SuperPrep All-American as an offensive lineman as a senior at Provo High School in 1997 
 

This is misleading to the extent it implies that Kirk Chambers played the 1997 season at Provo High School. Chambers is in the Stanford media guide for the 1997 season, listed as a true freshman. His last season in high school was 1996.

By the way, Chambers is now a teacher, coach, and athletic director at Provo High School.

[d4cohn]

I obviously want KJ to return, but surely he would be a better long-term fit in the pros, even right now, than Lamar Jackson, a first round pick last year. 

I fully expect, whenever he decides to declare, to be one of the first QB's off the board. If it is next year as opposed to this year, I can see him being a late 1st-2nd round pick.

Draft evaluators would disagree with your assessment. The best I've seen him rated on any board this year is 4th round.

"If it is next year as opposed to this year, I can see him being a late 1st-2nd round pick." I never said he would be anything more than a Day 2-3 pick this year.

[d4cohn]

I obviously want KJ to return, but surely he would be a better long-term fit in the pros, even right now, than Lamar Jackson, a first round pick last year. 

I fully expect, whenever he decides to declare, to be one of the first QB's off the board. If it is next year as opposed to this year, I can see him being a late 1st-2nd round pick.

Draft evaluators would disagree with your assessment. The best I've seen him rated on any board this year is 4th round.

"If it is next year as opposed to this year, I can see him being a late 1st-2nd round pick." I never said he would be anything more than a Day 2-3 pick this year.

[Phogge]

Plenty of angst to go around. If Mills IS healthy might be better for him to gain experience for 2020 since so many have written off 2019 already. Plus he can try to beat Cal with Butterfield starting as a true freshman.

[Phogge]

Plenty of angst to go around. If Mills IS healthy might be better for him to gain experience for 2020 since so many have written off 2019 already. Plus he can try to beat Cal with Butterfield starting as a true freshman.