[VB Card]

Probably headed home to play at UW, best of luck to him.

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[VB Card]

Probably headed home to play at UW, best of luck to him.

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[BobK]

Who’s next ?

[BobK]

Who’s next ?

[SamuelMcF]

Who’s next ?

Probably Wills

[SamuelMcF]

Who’s next ?

Probably Wills

[BobK]

Yep. Thanks for the post Samuel. That’s the rumor.

[BobK]

Yep. Thanks for the post Samuel. That’s the rumor.

[TrumpCard]

Have the pro-Haase folks on the board now come around to the view that he’s not the right coach for Stanford?

[TrumpCard]

Have the pro-Haase folks on the board now come around to the view that he’s not the right coach for Stanford?

[Papa John]

I think I would qualify as pro-Haase, although I prefer to think of myself as pro-Stanford ;-)

Certainly don't want to speak for others, but I stand by my earlier position that Haase gets a Covid mulligan this year. Assuming 2021-22 is a more normal year in re: Stanford athletics, then I would say that Haase needs to make the NCAA tournament. I'm not crazy enough to claim addition by subtraction, but he's had enough time and the team will still have (young) talent.

[Papa John]

I think I would qualify as pro-Haase, although I prefer to think of myself as pro-Stanford ;-)

Certainly don't want to speak for others, but I stand by my earlier position that Haase gets a Covid mulligan this year. Assuming 2021-22 is a more normal year in re: Stanford athletics, then I would say that Haase needs to make the NCAA tournament. I'm not crazy enough to claim addition by subtraction, but he's had enough time and the team will still have (young) talent.

[SamuelMcF]

I think I would qualify as pro-Haase, although I prefer to think of myself as pro-Stanford ;-)

Certainly don't want to speak for others, but I stand by my earlier position that Haase gets a Covid mulligan this year. Assuming 2021-22 is a more normal year in re: Stanford athletics, then I would say that Haase needs to make the NCAA tournament. I'm not crazy enough to claim addition by subtraction, but he's had enough time and the team will still have (young) talent.

Agree but am pretty pessimistic about next year's chances at such, and thus would not have been upset if he was done after the season (though didn't expect it at all).

[SamuelMcF]

I think I would qualify as pro-Haase, although I prefer to think of myself as pro-Stanford ;-)

Certainly don't want to speak for others, but I stand by my earlier position that Haase gets a Covid mulligan this year. Assuming 2021-22 is a more normal year in re: Stanford athletics, then I would say that Haase needs to make the NCAA tournament. I'm not crazy enough to claim addition by subtraction, but he's had enough time and the team will still have (young) talent.

Agree but am pretty pessimistic about next year's chances at such, and thus would not have been upset if he was done after the season (though didn't expect it at all).

[BostonCard]

What Sam said.  A coach like Kevin Hambly can reasonably be given a pass due to COVID-19; he's already shown he can coach to a championship caliber, and even if you believe he was "handed the keys to the Ferrari", it would make no sense to indict him on the basis of one COVID-19 season.  On the other hand, we've had warning signs about Haase for some time, so it's not like we are trying to deal with conflicting information here (or even no information other than a COVID-19 year).

I'm not averse to giving him another year, but I don't believe the outcome is going to be all that different next year.

BC

[BostonCard]

What Sam said.  A coach like Kevin Hambly can reasonably be given a pass due to COVID-19; he's already shown he can coach to a championship caliber, and even if you believe he was "handed the keys to the Ferrari", it would make no sense to indict him on the basis of one COVID-19 season.  On the other hand, we've had warning signs about Haase for some time, so it's not like we are trying to deal with conflicting information here (or even no information other than a COVID-19 year).

I'm not averse to giving him another year, but I don't believe the outcome is going to be all that different next year.

BC

[BobK]

Even remotely comparing Hambly to Haase is strange to me

That said I’m encouraged by those leaving except daSilva. Da Silva leaving has nothing to do with Haase. I can’t repeat of course. It is a pro Haase situation however

It’s time to play the younger players. To me O’Connell is better that either davis or Wills and Silva could be also.
Plus Haase isn’t leaving for at least a year

[BobK]

Even remotely comparing Hambly to Haase is strange to me

That said I’m encouraged by those leaving except daSilva. Da Silva leaving has nothing to do with Haase. I can’t repeat of course. It is a pro Haase situation however

It’s time to play the younger players. To me O’Connell is better that either davis or Wills and Silva could be also.
Plus Haase isn’t leaving for at least a year

[Papa John]

Pre-Covid, I was of the opinion that 2020-21 was the make or break year for Coach Haase. But the challenges that Stanford faced were unlike and far more difficult than most other teams that actually played a season. Hence the mulligan.

And also my belief that Tara should get her own wing in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. Or maybe they should just rename the Hall of Fame.

Back to Daejon Davis: he's leaving with a Stanford degree and I wish him well, just not against Stanford.

[Papa John]

Pre-Covid, I was of the opinion that 2020-21 was the make or break year for Coach Haase. But the challenges that Stanford faced were unlike and far more difficult than most other teams that actually played a season. Hence the mulligan.

And also my belief that Tara should get her own wing in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. Or maybe they should just rename the Hall of Fame.

Back to Daejon Davis: he's leaving with a Stanford degree and I wish him well, just not against Stanford.

[AlbanyCardinal]

I often start out the season pro-Haase and then turn anti-Haase a few games into the conference schedule. Like clockwork. Anyway, I'm not so sure the team looks to be down next season. Especially if the Rutgers grad transfer joins the team. But, in either case, the question for me is whether the team'll decline as the season wears on, no matter how good the squad actually is. 

What Sam said.  A coach like Kevin Hambly can reasonably be given a pass due to COVID-19; he's already shown he can coach to a championship caliber, and even if you believe he was "handed the keys to the Ferrari", it would make no sense to indict him on the basis of one COVID-19 season.  On the other hand, we've had warning signs about Haase for some time, so it's not like we are trying to deal with conflicting information here (or even no information other than a COVID-19 year).

I'm not averse to giving him another year, but I don't believe the outcome is going to be all that different next year.

BC

[AlbanyCardinal]

I often start out the season pro-Haase and then turn anti-Haase a few games into the conference schedule. Like clockwork. Anyway, I'm not so sure the team looks to be down next season. Especially if the Rutgers grad transfer joins the team. But, in either case, the question for me is whether the team'll decline as the season wears on, no matter how good the squad actually is. 

What Sam said.  A coach like Kevin Hambly can reasonably be given a pass due to COVID-19; he's already shown he can coach to a championship caliber, and even if you believe he was "handed the keys to the Ferrari", it would make no sense to indict him on the basis of one COVID-19 season.  On the other hand, we've had warning signs about Haase for some time, so it's not like we are trying to deal with conflicting information here (or even no information other than a COVID-19 year).

I'm not averse to giving him another year, but I don't believe the outcome is going to be all that different next year.

BC

[BostonCard]

Even remotely comparing Hambly to Haase is strange to me

That said I’m encouraged by those leaving except daSilva.  Da Silva leaving has nothing to do with Haase.  I can’t repeat of course.  It is a pro Haase situation however

It’s time to play the younger players.  To me O’Connell is better that either davis or Wills and Silva could be also.
Plus Haase isn’t leaving for at least a year

I agree with you! The only reason I brought it up is to highlight the differences.  I brought up Hambly as a basis for comparison because they both had disappointing seasons this year, and in another thread someone brought up whether this season reflected poorly on Hambly.

BC

[BostonCard]

Even remotely comparing Hambly to Haase is strange to me

That said I’m encouraged by those leaving except daSilva.  Da Silva leaving has nothing to do with Haase.  I can’t repeat of course.  It is a pro Haase situation however

It’s time to play the younger players.  To me O’Connell is better that either davis or Wills and Silva could be also.
Plus Haase isn’t leaving for at least a year

I agree with you! The only reason I brought it up is to highlight the differences.  I brought up Hambly as a basis for comparison because they both had disappointing seasons this year, and in another thread someone brought up whether this season reflected poorly on Hambly.

BC

[winflop]

Who’s next ?

Haase
Muir
:P

[winflop]

Who’s next ?

Haase
Muir
:P

[lex24]

Who’s next ?

Haase
Muir
:P

Good, I thought Davis quit on them.

[lex24]

Who’s next ?

Haase
Muir
:P

Good, I thought Davis quit on them.

[BobK]

Well no

[BobK]

Well no

[winflop]

Davis is graduating. I wish him nothing but success.

I don't hold Davis' departure against Haase, but I still think that despite the challenges of last season Haase needs to go. The team played its worst at the end of the season for the third year in a row. I also think Haase lost the locker room this year and that will carry over into next season.

In the grand scheme, it won't matter much. With now three and possibly four starters leaving, the team is highly unlikely to make the NCAAs next year, which should be the nail in the coffin for Haase's presence on our sideline.

[winflop]

Davis is graduating. I wish him nothing but success.

I don't hold Davis' departure against Haase, but I still think that despite the challenges of last season Haase needs to go. The team played its worst at the end of the season for the third year in a row. I also think Haase lost the locker room this year and that will carry over into next season.

In the grand scheme, it won't matter much. With now three and possibly four starters leaving, the team is highly unlikely to make the NCAAs next year, which should be the nail in the coffin for Haase's presence on our sideline.

[burger]

Davis is graduating. I wish him nothing but success.

I don't hold Davis' departure against Haase, but I still think that despite the challenges of last season Haase needs to go. The team played its worst at the end of the season for the third year in a row. I also think Haase lost the locker room this year and that will carry over into next season.

In the grand scheme, it won't matter much. With now three and possibly four starters leaving, the team is highly unlikely to make the NCAAs next year, which should be the nail in the coffin for Haase's presence on our sideline.

I agree on all points, especially on the likelihood of success next year.  Even with Oscar in the lineup, we struggled to score this year.   I think the offense will be a bigger struggle next year.  And without Davis (and maybe Wills?) the defense will suffer, too. 

We have a lot of individual talent, but the story of the Haase era seems to be that the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

I'd love to be proved wrong on all of this.

[burger]

Davis is graduating. I wish him nothing but success.

I don't hold Davis' departure against Haase, but I still think that despite the challenges of last season Haase needs to go. The team played its worst at the end of the season for the third year in a row. I also think Haase lost the locker room this year and that will carry over into next season.

In the grand scheme, it won't matter much. With now three and possibly four starters leaving, the team is highly unlikely to make the NCAAs next year, which should be the nail in the coffin for Haase's presence on our sideline.

I agree on all points, especially on the likelihood of success next year.  Even with Oscar in the lineup, we struggled to score this year.   I think the offense will be a bigger struggle next year.  And without Davis (and maybe Wills?) the defense will suffer, too. 

We have a lot of individual talent, but the story of the Haase era seems to be that the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

I'd love to be proved wrong on all of this.

[needle]

Davis is graduating. I wish him nothing but success.

I don't hold Davis' departure against Haase, but I still think that despite the challenges of last season Haase needs to go. The team played its worst at the end of the season for the third year in a row. I also think Haase lost the locker room this year and that will carry over into next season.

In the grand scheme, it won't matter much. With now three and possibly four starters leaving, the team is highly unlikely to make the NCAAs next year, which should be the nail in the coffin for Haase's presence on our sideline.

I agree on all points, especially on the likelihood of success next year.  Even with Oscar in the lineup, we struggled to score this year.   I think the offense will be a bigger struggle next year.  And without Davis (and maybe Wills?) the defense will suffer, too. 

We have a lot of individual talent, but the story of the Haase era seems to be that the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

I'd love to be proved wrong on all of this.

If Delaire and O'Connell stay, with the supposed talent of the incoming class there's a chance to make the tourney, imo. Both would need to improve significantly, but I think they can do it. 

I am just unsure how talented the frosh will really be, however.

[needle]

Davis is graduating. I wish him nothing but success.

I don't hold Davis' departure against Haase, but I still think that despite the challenges of last season Haase needs to go. The team played its worst at the end of the season for the third year in a row. I also think Haase lost the locker room this year and that will carry over into next season.

In the grand scheme, it won't matter much. With now three and possibly four starters leaving, the team is highly unlikely to make the NCAAs next year, which should be the nail in the coffin for Haase's presence on our sideline.

I agree on all points, especially on the likelihood of success next year.  Even with Oscar in the lineup, we struggled to score this year.   I think the offense will be a bigger struggle next year.  And without Davis (and maybe Wills?) the defense will suffer, too. 

We have a lot of individual talent, but the story of the Haase era seems to be that the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

I'd love to be proved wrong on all of this.

If Delaire and O'Connell stay, with the supposed talent of the incoming class there's a chance to make the tourney, imo. Both would need to improve significantly, but I think they can do it. 

I am just unsure how talented the frosh will really be, however.

[PVTree]

A March 31 tweet from Daejon...don't know the context behind it.



"watch how they treat you when they don’t need you... "

[PVTree]

A March 31 tweet from Daejon...don't know the context behind it.



"watch how they treat you when they don’t need you... "

[winflop]

A March 31 tweet from Daejon...don't know the context behind it.



"watch how they treat you when they don’t need you... "

Not sure we will even know to what extent Davis contributed to that situation, but if he was made to feel unwanted that's a real shame and it's also a pretty stinging indictment of Haase regardless of Davis' role in that situation

[winflop]

A March 31 tweet from Daejon...don't know the context behind it.



"watch how they treat you when they don’t need you... "

Not sure we will even know to what extent Davis contributed to that situation, but if he was made to feel unwanted that's a real shame and it's also a pretty stinging indictment of Haase regardless of Davis' role in that situation