[BostonCard]

Kevin Kelly, the coach who never punts and always goes for an onside kick, has been hired by an FCS school.

https://sports.yahoo.com/coach-who-never...38243.html

BC

[BostonCard]

Kevin Kelly, the coach who never punts and always goes for an onside kick, has been hired by an FCS school.

https://sports.yahoo.com/coach-who-never...38243.html

BC

[81alum]

I don't know whether this guy is right or wrong with his strategy, but I absolutely love creative thinking in the game, and the questioning of orthodoxies.  That is why I loved Bill Walsh I.  The truth is that these innovations probably fail more often than they succeed, but it keeps the game fresh that there are people trying new strategies.

[81alum]

I don't know whether this guy is right or wrong with his strategy, but I absolutely love creative thinking in the game, and the questioning of orthodoxies.  That is why I loved Bill Walsh I.  The truth is that these innovations probably fail more often than they succeed, but it keeps the game fresh that there are people trying new strategies.

[BostonCard]

I think the math largely supports his approach (probably more so in high school than it would in college or the pros).  Coaches generally overvalue field position, and they generally punt too much.

BC

[BostonCard]

I think the math largely supports his approach (probably more so in high school than it would in college or the pros).  Coaches generally overvalue field position, and they generally punt too much.

BC

[Snorlax94]

It is unlikely to happen but I wonder if that unorthodox approach could be a good fit for Stanford.

If Stanford has a thin depth chart on defense, it could keep the defense fresher and healthier. 

Stanford has had some great punters, but if one year they had very poor punting, it could be an interesting approach to try.

I think it’s also particularly dangerous and effective when you have explosive playmakers who can get 10+ yards in one play.  Oregon used to go for it a lot even on 4th and long back when they had the spread firing on all cylinders.

Instead of third and long being a “throwaway short run play and a punt”, they could take 2 shots.

[Snorlax94]

It is unlikely to happen but I wonder if that unorthodox approach could be a good fit for Stanford.

If Stanford has a thin depth chart on defense, it could keep the defense fresher and healthier. 

Stanford has had some great punters, but if one year they had very poor punting, it could be an interesting approach to try.

I think it’s also particularly dangerous and effective when you have explosive playmakers who can get 10+ yards in one play.  Oregon used to go for it a lot even on 4th and long back when they had the spread firing on all cylinders.

Instead of third and long being a “throwaway short run play and a punt”, they could take 2 shots.

[Phogge]

And who was the Presbyterian alum who played in the NFL and became a Stanford assistant coach?

[Phogge]

And who was the Presbyterian alum who played in the NFL and became a Stanford assistant coach?

[cardcrimson]

And who was the Presbyterian alum who played in the NFL and became a Stanford assistant coach?

and a Niners quarterback (and DB) as well.

[cardcrimson]

And who was the Presbyterian alum who played in the NFL and became a Stanford assistant coach?

and a Niners quarterback (and DB) as well.

[Phogge]

And a victim of a rare disease which according to researchers could not have been a coincidence when two teammates suffered the same fate.

[Phogge]

And a victim of a rare disease which according to researchers could not have been a coincidence when two teammates suffered the same fate.

[BostonCard]

Indeed it has been documented in clinical studies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6362556/

Our review suggests that increased susceptibility to ALS is significantly and independently associated with 2 factors: professional sports and sports prone to repetitive concussive head and cervical spinal trauma. Their combination resulted in an additive effect, further increasing this association to ALS.

And yet, even with the increased risk, having three teammates on the same team subsequently develop ALS is still an unlikely event.  Those who play professional sports with repeated trauma are 8.5-fold more likely to develop ALS, but even with that strongly increased risk, the incidence is only about 1 per 10,000 persons per year, so most teams are unlikely to have any players develop ALS, let alone three.

BC

[BostonCard]

Indeed it has been documented in clinical studies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6362556/

Our review suggests that increased susceptibility to ALS is significantly and independently associated with 2 factors: professional sports and sports prone to repetitive concussive head and cervical spinal trauma. Their combination resulted in an additive effect, further increasing this association to ALS.

And yet, even with the increased risk, having three teammates on the same team subsequently develop ALS is still an unlikely event.  Those who play professional sports with repeated trauma are 8.5-fold more likely to develop ALS, but even with that strongly increased risk, the incidence is only about 1 per 10,000 persons per year, so most teams are unlikely to have any players develop ALS, let alone three.

BC

[82lsju]

And a victim of a rare disease which according to researchers could not have been a coincidence when two teammates suffered the same fate.

Long before Dwight Clark, three forgotten 49ers perished from ALS

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/09/l...%20lawsuit.

[82lsju]

And a victim of a rare disease which according to researchers could not have been a coincidence when two teammates suffered the same fate.

Long before Dwight Clark, three forgotten 49ers perished from ALS

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/09/l...%20lawsuit.

[BobK]

Bobby Waters Presbyterian

Matt Hazeltine ALS. I didn’t read the story yet

[BobK]

Bobby Waters Presbyterian

Matt Hazeltine ALS. I didn’t read the story yet

[Phogge]

Bobbbb, third player was Gary Lewis, one of the greatest HS running backs. Poly High of San Francisco. Located across Fredrick Street from Kezar, now condos except for two gyms that remain. Had the best auto shop in the country. Lewis played one season at CCSF where their QB was injured early and Gary volunteered. They ran two plays... pitch to Tom Piggee and keeper by Lewis. Powerful program back then, floundered until George Rush (SI) took over in the late 80's and won a bushel of national championships. Probably the most decorated team in City history unless it's the Bay Bombers.

[Phogge]

Bobbbb, third player was Gary Lewis, one of the greatest HS running backs. Poly High of San Francisco. Located across Fredrick Street from Kezar, now condos except for two gyms that remain. Had the best auto shop in the country. Lewis played one season at CCSF where their QB was injured early and Gary volunteered. They ran two plays... pitch to Tom Piggee and keeper by Lewis. Powerful program back then, floundered until George Rush (SI) took over in the late 80's and won a bushel of national championships. Probably the most decorated team in City history unless it's the Bay Bombers.

[BobK]

I was thrilled when Lewis signed with the 49ers. Great HS player

[BobK]

I was thrilled when Lewis signed with the 49ers. Great HS player

[Mick]

You think Texas high school football is big.  The 1928 Poly vs. Lowell game at Kezar drew 50,000 fans.

Alumni included George Seifert, Caspar Weinberger, 49er Bob St. Clair.  They sent 131 men to WWII, 77 returned.  Student body was moved to McAteer when Poly closed.

[Mick]

You think Texas high school football is big.  The 1928 Poly vs. Lowell game at Kezar drew 50,000 fans.

Alumni included George Seifert, Caspar Weinberger, 49er Bob St. Clair.  They sent 131 men to WWII, 77 returned.  Student body was moved to McAteer when Poly closed.

[Phogge]

Poly-Lowell was the big rivalry 40’s-50’s.

[Phogge]

Poly-Lowell was the big rivalry 40’s-50’s.

[thatboy]

I think the math largely supports his approach (probably more so in high school than it would in college or the pros).  Coaches generally overvalue field position, and they generally punt too much.

BC

It seems to always work against Stanford. I swear every time an opponent goes for it on fourth down they end up getting a touch down. I'm obviously exaggerating, but it drives me nuts how often it happens.

[thatboy]

I think the math largely supports his approach (probably more so in high school than it would in college or the pros).  Coaches generally overvalue field position, and they generally punt too much.

BC

It seems to always work against Stanford. I swear every time an opponent goes for it on fourth down they end up getting a touch down. I'm obviously exaggerating, but it drives me nuts how often it happens.

[SamuelMcF]

I think the math largely supports his approach (probably more so in high school than it would in college or the pros).  Coaches generally overvalue field position, and they generally punt too much.

BC

It seems to always work against Stanford. I swear every time an opponent goes for it on fourth down they end up getting a touch down. I'm obviously exaggerating, but it drives me nuts how often it happens.

You aren't. We were the only team in the nation to allow 100% conversions on 4th down last year.

[SamuelMcF]

I think the math largely supports his approach (probably more so in high school than it would in college or the pros).  Coaches generally overvalue field position, and they generally punt too much.

BC

It seems to always work against Stanford. I swear every time an opponent goes for it on fourth down they end up getting a touch down. I'm obviously exaggerating, but it drives me nuts how often it happens.

You aren't. We were the only team in the nation to allow 100% conversions on 4th down last year.

[BostonCard]

It seems to always work against Stanford. I swear every time an opponent goes for it on fourth down they end up getting a touch down. I'm obviously exaggerating, but it drives me nuts how often it happens.

You aren't. We were the only team in the nation to allow 100% conversions on 4th down last year.

Because these are relatively small numbers, it bounces around year to year.  Last year, we allowed 100% of 4th down conversions, but that was with only 6 attempts.  We've been pretty bad the last three years (2019 we were 111th allowing 10 of 16; 2018 we were 83rd, allowing 17/31), but in 2017 we were 16th, allowing only 7/18.

BC

[BostonCard]

It seems to always work against Stanford. I swear every time an opponent goes for it on fourth down they end up getting a touch down. I'm obviously exaggerating, but it drives me nuts how often it happens.

You aren't. We were the only team in the nation to allow 100% conversions on 4th down last year.

Because these are relatively small numbers, it bounces around year to year.  Last year, we allowed 100% of 4th down conversions, but that was with only 6 attempts.  We've been pretty bad the last three years (2019 we were 111th allowing 10 of 16; 2018 we were 83rd, allowing 17/31), but in 2017 we were 16th, allowing only 7/18.

BC

[martyup]

The Presbyterian Blue Hose have now lost 6 consecutive games.  The margins of loss are 72, 20, 8, 35, 41, and 42.  


At what point can we conclude that in college football the never punt strategy does not work?

[martyup]

The Presbyterian Blue Hose have now lost 6 consecutive games.  The margins of loss are 72, 20, 8, 35, 41, and 42.  


At what point can we conclude that in college football the never punt strategy does not work?

[BostonCard]

We stopped Utah once yesterday, and a couple weeks ago, we stopped Washington twice and Washington state twice before that.  This year, our opponents are averaging a conversion rate of 56% on 4th down, which is good for 8th in the PAC-12.  After allowing a conversion on the first 7 conversions, we’ve stopped our opponents 8 of the last 11 times the have gone for it on fourth down.

BC

[BostonCard]

We stopped Utah once yesterday, and a couple weeks ago, we stopped Washington twice and Washington state twice before that.  This year, our opponents are averaging a conversion rate of 56% on 4th down, which is good for 8th in the PAC-12.  After allowing a conversion on the first 7 conversions, we’ve stopped our opponents 8 of the last 11 times the have gone for it on fourth down.

BC

[martyup]

We stopped Utah once yesterday, and a couple weeks ago, we stopped Washington twice and Washington state twice before that.  This year, our opponents are averaging a conversion rate of 56% on 4th down, which is good for 8th in the PAC-12.  After allowing a conversion on the first 7 conversions, we’ve stopped our opponents 8 of the last 11 times the have gone for it on fourth down.

BC

Obviously the strategy works for the superior team.

[martyup]

We stopped Utah once yesterday, and a couple weeks ago, we stopped Washington twice and Washington state twice before that.  This year, our opponents are averaging a conversion rate of 56% on 4th down, which is good for 8th in the PAC-12.  After allowing a conversion on the first 7 conversions, we’ve stopped our opponents 8 of the last 11 times the have gone for it on fourth down.

BC

Obviously the strategy works for the superior team.