03-03-2022, 11:20 AM
I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
Outside Topic Giants/Niners 2022 thread
03-03-2022, 12:50 PM
(03-03-2022, 11:20 AM)Phogge Wrote: I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
I actually used to attend a lot of games as a teenager. The 1981 MLB strike shook my confidence to its core. I've never attended more than one game in a season since then, though I watch all I can on television, and have half a dozen Giants gear items.
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(03-03-2022, 11:20 AM)Phogge Wrote: I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
I actually used to attend a lot of games as a teenager. The 1981 MLB strike shook my confidence to its core. I've never attended more than one game in a season since then, though I watch all I can on television, and have half a dozen Giants gear items.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
03-03-2022, 12:57 PM
The current situation affects me not at all. I never believed the owners were particularly laudable figures, nor did I think the players were all (or mostly) "great guys". It is a business, and always has been a business. People cheat to win. The owners pay the players as little as possible and the players try to maximize their individual compensation. Nothing new here, nothing to see here. If you want to watch baseball, do it because you like the game and it makes you happy. Watching because of who owns/who plays is IMHO a fool's errand.
The current situation affects me not at all. I never believed the owners were particularly laudable figures, nor did I think the players were all (or mostly) "great guys". It is a business, and always has been a business. People cheat to win. The owners pay the players as little as possible and the players try to maximize their individual compensation. Nothing new here, nothing to see here. If you want to watch baseball, do it because you like the game and it makes you happy. Watching because of who owns/who plays is IMHO a fool's errand.
03-03-2022, 04:21 PM
(03-03-2022, 12:50 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-03-2022, 11:20 AM)Phogge Wrote: I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
I actually used to attend a lot of games as a teenager. The 1981 MLB strike shook my confidence to its core. I've never attended more than one game in a season since then, though I watch all I can on television, and have half a dozen Giants gear items.
Fond memories of the strike in '81. Worked at the Danville Hotel Restaurant and Saloon, and Billy Martin came in pretty much every day during the strike to have a few pops with the manager. Quite the drinker, Billy. . . .
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
(03-03-2022, 12:50 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-03-2022, 11:20 AM)Phogge Wrote: I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
I actually used to attend a lot of games as a teenager. The 1981 MLB strike shook my confidence to its core. I've never attended more than one game in a season since then, though I watch all I can on television, and have half a dozen Giants gear items.
Fond memories of the strike in '81. Worked at the Danville Hotel Restaurant and Saloon, and Billy Martin came in pretty much every day during the strike to have a few pops with the manager. Quite the drinker, Billy. . . .
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
03-03-2022, 07:43 PM
Some of Billy's pops were right jabs to the face.
There were two Billy Martin's. I saw both during one spring training interview in Florida.
There were two Billy Martin's. I saw both during one spring training interview in Florida.
(03-03-2022, 04:21 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-03-2022, 12:50 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-03-2022, 11:20 AM)Phogge Wrote: I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
I actually used to attend a lot of games as a teenager. The 1981 MLB strike shook my confidence to its core. I've never attended more than one game in a season since then, though I watch all I can on television, and have half a dozen Giants gear items.
Fond memories of the strike in '81. Worked at the Danville Hotel Restaurant and Saloon, and Billy Martin came in pretty much every day during the strike to have a few pops with the manager. Quite the drinker, Billy. . . .
Yep. Killed him in the end.
(03-03-2022, 12:57 PM)Goose Wrote: The current situation affects me not at all. I never believed the owners were particularly laudable figures, nor did I think the players were all (or mostly) "great guys". It is a business, and always has been a business. People cheat to win. The owners pay the players as little as possible and the players try to maximize their individual compensation. Nothing new here, nothing to see here. If you want to watch baseball, do it because you like the game and it makes you happy. Watching because of who owns/who plays is IMHO a fool's errand.
Great. So, how do I watch MLB during a lockout, Goose?
(03-03-2022, 04:21 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-03-2022, 12:50 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-03-2022, 11:20 AM)Phogge Wrote: I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
I actually used to attend a lot of games as a teenager. The 1981 MLB strike shook my confidence to its core. I've never attended more than one game in a season since then, though I watch all I can on television, and have half a dozen Giants gear items.
Fond memories of the strike in '81. Worked at the Danville Hotel Restaurant and Saloon, and Billy Martin came in pretty much every day during the strike to have a few pops with the manager. Quite the drinker, Billy. . . .
Yep. Killed him in the end.
(03-03-2022, 12:57 PM)Goose Wrote: The current situation affects me not at all. I never believed the owners were particularly laudable figures, nor did I think the players were all (or mostly) "great guys". It is a business, and always has been a business. People cheat to win. The owners pay the players as little as possible and the players try to maximize their individual compensation. Nothing new here, nothing to see here. If you want to watch baseball, do it because you like the game and it makes you happy. Watching because of who owns/who plays is IMHO a fool's errand.
Great. So, how do I watch MLB during a lockout, Goose?
03-03-2022, 10:44 PM
(03-03-2022, 08:20 PM)lex24 Wrote:You don't. Just like you don't watch it in December, or during Covid (mostly), or when it rains. Stuff happens. Forces of nature.(03-03-2022, 04:21 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-03-2022, 12:50 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-03-2022, 11:20 AM)Phogge Wrote: I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
I actually used to attend a lot of games as a teenager. The 1981 MLB strike shook my confidence to its core. I've never attended more than one game in a season since then, though I watch all I can on television, and have half a dozen Giants gear items.
Fond memories of the strike in '81. Worked at the Danville Hotel Restaurant and Saloon, and Billy Martin came in pretty much every day during the strike to have a few pops with the manager. Quite the drinker, Billy. . . .
Yep. Killed him in the end.
(03-03-2022, 12:57 PM)Goose Wrote: The current situation affects me not at all. I never believed the owners were particularly laudable figures, nor did I think the players were all (or mostly) "great guys". It is a business, and always has been a business. People cheat to win. The owners pay the players as little as possible and the players try to maximize their individual compensation. Nothing new here, nothing to see here. If you want to watch baseball, do it because you like the game and it makes you happy. Watching because of who owns/who plays is IMHO a fool's errand.
Great. So, how do I watch MLB during a lockout, Goose?
(03-03-2022, 08:20 PM)lex24 Wrote:You don't. Just like you don't watch it in December, or during Covid (mostly), or when it rains. Stuff happens. Forces of nature.(03-03-2022, 04:21 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-03-2022, 12:50 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-03-2022, 11:20 AM)Phogge Wrote: I’ll listen and watch when I can get the game. But I will never buy a ticket again.
I actually used to attend a lot of games as a teenager. The 1981 MLB strike shook my confidence to its core. I've never attended more than one game in a season since then, though I watch all I can on television, and have half a dozen Giants gear items.
Fond memories of the strike in '81. Worked at the Danville Hotel Restaurant and Saloon, and Billy Martin came in pretty much every day during the strike to have a few pops with the manager. Quite the drinker, Billy. . . .
Yep. Killed him in the end.
(03-03-2022, 12:57 PM)Goose Wrote: The current situation affects me not at all. I never believed the owners were particularly laudable figures, nor did I think the players were all (or mostly) "great guys". It is a business, and always has been a business. People cheat to win. The owners pay the players as little as possible and the players try to maximize their individual compensation. Nothing new here, nothing to see here. If you want to watch baseball, do it because you like the game and it makes you happy. Watching because of who owns/who plays is IMHO a fool's errand.
Great. So, how do I watch MLB during a lockout, Goose?
03-04-2022, 10:50 AM
Got to love Krukow. He thinks Manfred should be dumped. In his words, “He’ll land on his feet and become the villain in the next Batman movie.”
Perhaps but it’s probably time to end the franchise anyway as today’s Chronicle review calls the latest a stinker. Where is Adam West when humanity needs him?
Perhaps but it’s probably time to end the franchise anyway as today’s Chronicle review calls the latest a stinker. Where is Adam West when humanity needs him?
Got to love Krukow. He thinks Manfred should be dumped. In his words, “He’ll land on his feet and become the villain in the next Batman movie.”
Perhaps but it’s probably time to end the franchise anyway as today’s Chronicle review calls the latest a stinker. Where is Adam West when humanity needs him?
Perhaps but it’s probably time to end the franchise anyway as today’s Chronicle review calls the latest a stinker. Where is Adam West when humanity needs him?
03-04-2022, 11:21 AM
(03-04-2022, 10:50 AM)Phogge Wrote: Got to love Krukow. He thinks Manfred should be dumped. In his words, “He’ll land on his feet and become the villain in the next Batman movie.”
Manfred is simply a puppet for the owners. It's convenient that they can prop him up as the villain while they drive the hard line in negotiations.
(03-04-2022, 10:50 AM)Phogge Wrote: Got to love Krukow. He thinks Manfred should be dumped. In his words, “He’ll land on his feet and become the villain in the next Batman movie.”
Manfred is simply a puppet for the owners. It's convenient that they can prop him up as the villain while they drive the hard line in negotiations.
03-04-2022, 03:53 PM
(03-04-2022, 11:56 AM)BobK Wrote: The commissioner is the puppet always.
Generally agree; however, I think the divergent interests of owners is a lot greater in MLB, than in football, where there is significant revenue sharing. I mean, isn't one of the biggest sticking points in current CB negotiations the level at which luxury tax kicks in? Players and Big Revenue Owners want that number relatively higher; small market teams want it as low as possible. That's a pretty significant hurdle to a unified ownership front.
(03-04-2022, 11:56 AM)BobK Wrote: The commissioner is the puppet always.
Generally agree; however, I think the divergent interests of owners is a lot greater in MLB, than in football, where there is significant revenue sharing. I mean, isn't one of the biggest sticking points in current CB negotiations the level at which luxury tax kicks in? Players and Big Revenue Owners want that number relatively higher; small market teams want it as low as possible. That's a pretty significant hurdle to a unified ownership front.
03-04-2022, 04:34 PM
(03-04-2022, 03:53 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-04-2022, 11:56 AM)BobK Wrote: The commissioner is the puppet always.
Generally agree; however, I think the divergent interests of owners is a lot greater in MLB, than in football, where there is significant revenue sharing. I mean, isn't one of the biggest sticking points in current CB negotiations the level at which luxury tax kicks in? Players and Big Revenue Owners want that number relatively higher; small market teams want it as low as possible. That's a pretty significant hurdle to a unified ownership front.
Absolutely true, owners have different agendas, not just on the CBT but on every issue, e.g. minimum salary and pre-arbitration length are vital to clubs that want to operate with the lowest possible payroll. A new CBA needs 23/30 owners to approve it so a stubborn minority bloc has a lot of power. I'm not an Manfred admirer but I recognize that he does have a difficult situation to balance.
(03-04-2022, 03:53 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-04-2022, 11:56 AM)BobK Wrote: The commissioner is the puppet always.
Generally agree; however, I think the divergent interests of owners is a lot greater in MLB, than in football, where there is significant revenue sharing. I mean, isn't one of the biggest sticking points in current CB negotiations the level at which luxury tax kicks in? Players and Big Revenue Owners want that number relatively higher; small market teams want it as low as possible. That's a pretty significant hurdle to a unified ownership front.
Absolutely true, owners have different agendas, not just on the CBT but on every issue, e.g. minimum salary and pre-arbitration length are vital to clubs that want to operate with the lowest possible payroll. A new CBA needs 23/30 owners to approve it so a stubborn minority bloc has a lot of power. I'm not an Manfred admirer but I recognize that he does have a difficult situation to balance.
03-05-2022, 07:14 PM
(03-04-2022, 06:17 PM)DC 86 Wrote: Meanwhile, Brian Griese moves from MNF to become the 49ers QB coach.
Griese never coached before, but played QB for 11 seasons in the NFL, was in the Pro Bowl once and was drafted by Mike Shanahan. He learned under Mike Shanahan his first five years in the league.
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(03-04-2022, 06:17 PM)DC 86 Wrote: Meanwhile, Brian Griese moves from MNF to become the 49ers QB coach.
Griese never coached before, but played QB for 11 seasons in the NFL, was in the Pro Bowl once and was drafted by Mike Shanahan. He learned under Mike Shanahan his first five years in the league.
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03-05-2022, 08:14 PM
(03-05-2022, 07:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-04-2022, 06:17 PM)DC 86 Wrote: Meanwhile, Brian Griese moves from MNF to become the 49ers QB coach.
Griese never coached before, but played QB for 11 seasons in the NFL, was in the Pro Bowl once and was drafted by Mike Shanahan. He learned under Mike Shanahan his first five years in the league.
He was also on Tampa Bay's roster for two years while Kyle Shanahan was an assistant coach there. Interesting hire in any case.
(03-05-2022, 07:14 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-04-2022, 06:17 PM)DC 86 Wrote: Meanwhile, Brian Griese moves from MNF to become the 49ers QB coach.
Griese never coached before, but played QB for 11 seasons in the NFL, was in the Pro Bowl once and was drafted by Mike Shanahan. He learned under Mike Shanahan his first five years in the league.
He was also on Tampa Bay's roster for two years while Kyle Shanahan was an assistant coach there. Interesting hire in any case.
03-06-2022, 03:58 PM
Smart move from Griese. If Lance is successful, Griese gets some credit. He will be working with perhaps the best offensive mind of any head coach in football (or at least the best not named Andy Reid) with a team that is poised to win. If things go well, he will be an OC in 2 years and an HC in 4. If he wants it.
And if he busts, there is always the booth.
And if he busts, there is always the booth.
Smart move from Griese. If Lance is successful, Griese gets some credit. He will be working with perhaps the best offensive mind of any head coach in football (or at least the best not named Andy Reid) with a team that is poised to win. If things go well, he will be an OC in 2 years and an HC in 4. If he wants it.
And if he busts, there is always the booth.
And if he busts, there is always the booth.
03-09-2022, 07:53 AM
So Russell Wilson gets traded for two first round picks, two second round picks and three players. If that's what Russell Wilson is worth, what is Jimmy Garoppolo worth?
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03-09-2022, 09:01 AM
(03-09-2022, 07:55 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-09-2022, 07:53 AM)Mick Wrote: So Russell Wilson gets traded for two first round picks, two second round picks and three players. If that's what Russell Wilson is worth, what is Jimmy Garoppolo worth?
Maybe a couple 3d to 4th round picks. Wilson is elite.
Wilson also has two years remaining on his contract at well below market, which is obviously valuable.
All things being equal I think Garoppolo would garner at least a 2nd-3rd round pick but his shoulder surgery complicates his market.
(03-09-2022, 07:55 AM)lex24 Wrote:(03-09-2022, 07:53 AM)Mick Wrote: So Russell Wilson gets traded for two first round picks, two second round picks and three players. If that's what Russell Wilson is worth, what is Jimmy Garoppolo worth?
Maybe a couple 3d to 4th round picks. Wilson is elite.
Wilson also has two years remaining on his contract at well below market, which is obviously valuable.
All things being equal I think Garoppolo would garner at least a 2nd-3rd round pick but his shoulder surgery complicates his market.
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