03-28-2022, 07:31 PM
hearing from someone in attendance that the in-person audience was quite frightened and discouraged by the incident. a pall of gloom.
(03-28-2022, 12:28 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:16 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:06 AM)BobK Wrote: So making fun of AA person’s disease on national tv is ok now. And yes I know it is
Apparently she's made jokes about it before. Even Will was laughed at Rock's joke. Then he saw Jada not laughing. . . .
In hindsight (seriously, how many people knew that Jada had a disease that caused hairless), maybe the joke was in poor taste, but Rock certainly didn't warrant getting slapped over it.
It's one thing to privately admit that you're gay, or that you have alopecia. It's quite another to have someone out you in front of billions of people. That costs you acting jobs and income. In a less enlightened time, Tom Hulce literally outed David Hyde Pierce when he strongly implied that he was guy. Hyde-Pierce's face was something to behold, as was Jada Pinkett's. And I agree, I don't think Will Smith intended to slap Chris Rock until he saw his wife's reaction.
Here's the unexpirgated language:
Watch the uncensored moment Will Smith smacks Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars, drops F-bomb - YouTube
How can you watch that tape and NOT think Smith is 99% in the wrong here? And a guy with problems. First, he laughed at the joke; then decided to walk up to him and whack the dude; then he compounded it by yelling expletives repeatedly. And all this after Rock sorta backtracked from his joke ("Aww, c'mon. That was mild."). My impression, anyway.
Yeah, Will, this world is all about you. Please.
Chris Rock handled himself very well, all things considered.
(03-28-2022, 12:28 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:16 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:06 AM)BobK Wrote: So making fun of AA person’s disease on national tv is ok now. And yes I know it is
Apparently she's made jokes about it before. Even Will was laughed at Rock's joke. Then he saw Jada not laughing. . . .
In hindsight (seriously, how many people knew that Jada had a disease that caused hairless), maybe the joke was in poor taste, but Rock certainly didn't warrant getting slapped over it.
It's one thing to privately admit that you're gay, or that you have alopecia. It's quite another to have someone out you in front of billions of people. That costs you acting jobs and income. In a less enlightened time, Tom Hulce literally outed David Hyde Pierce when he strongly implied that he was guy. Hyde-Pierce's face was something to behold, as was Jada Pinkett's. And I agree, I don't think Will Smith intended to slap Chris Rock until he saw his wife's reaction.
Here's the unexpirgated language:
Watch the uncensored moment Will Smith smacks Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars, drops F-bomb - YouTube
How can you watch that tape and NOT think Smith is 99% in the wrong here? And a guy with problems. First, he laughed at the joke; then decided to walk up to him and whack the dude; then he compounded it by yelling expletives repeatedly. And all this after Rock sorta backtracked from his joke ("Aww, c'mon. That was mild."). My impression, anyway.
Yeah, Will, this world is all about you. Please.
Chris Rock handled himself very well, all things considered.
(03-28-2022, 07:43 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 12:28 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:16 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:06 AM)BobK Wrote: So making fun of AA person’s disease on national tv is ok now. And yes I know it is
Apparently she's made jokes about it before. Even Will was laughed at Rock's joke. Then he saw Jada not laughing. . . .
In hindsight (seriously, how many people knew that Jada had a disease that caused hairless), maybe the joke was in poor taste, but Rock certainly didn't warrant getting slapped over it.
It's one thing to privately admit that you're gay, or that you have alopecia. It's quite another to have someone out you in front of billions of people. That costs you acting jobs and income. In a less enlightened time, Tom Hulce literally outed David Hyde Pierce when he strongly implied that he was guy. Hyde-Pierce's face was something to behold, as was Jada Pinkett's. And I agree, I don't think Will Smith intended to slap Chris Rock until he saw his wife's reaction.
Here's the unexpirgated language:
Watch the uncensored moment Will Smith smacks Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars, drops F-bomb - YouTube
How can you watch that tape and NOT think Smith is 99% in the wrong here? And a guy with problems. First, he laughed at the joke; then decided to walk up to him and whack the dude; then he compounded it by yelling expletives repeatedly. And all this after Rock sorta backtracked from his joke ("Aww, c'mon. That was mild."). My impression, anyway.
Yeah, Will, this world is all about you. Please.
Chris Rock handled himself very well, all things considered.
Well, let me try. A man’s wife’s medical condition is joked about. He stood up for her. In past days, he’d be applauded. Now, I guess it’s “toxic masculinity.” Smith chose the wrong venue. He should have approached Rock off stage and slugged him. When, btw, is Rock gonna apologize. There is nothing funny about a medical condition. Ever. So, Smith chose unwisely. But not cause he slapped the guy. He freaking deserved it.
(03-28-2022, 07:43 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 12:28 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:16 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:06 AM)BobK Wrote: So making fun of AA person’s disease on national tv is ok now. And yes I know it is
Apparently she's made jokes about it before. Even Will was laughed at Rock's joke. Then he saw Jada not laughing. . . .
In hindsight (seriously, how many people knew that Jada had a disease that caused hairless), maybe the joke was in poor taste, but Rock certainly didn't warrant getting slapped over it.
It's one thing to privately admit that you're gay, or that you have alopecia. It's quite another to have someone out you in front of billions of people. That costs you acting jobs and income. In a less enlightened time, Tom Hulce literally outed David Hyde Pierce when he strongly implied that he was guy. Hyde-Pierce's face was something to behold, as was Jada Pinkett's. And I agree, I don't think Will Smith intended to slap Chris Rock until he saw his wife's reaction.
Here's the unexpirgated language:
Watch the uncensored moment Will Smith smacks Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars, drops F-bomb - YouTube
How can you watch that tape and NOT think Smith is 99% in the wrong here? And a guy with problems. First, he laughed at the joke; then decided to walk up to him and whack the dude; then he compounded it by yelling expletives repeatedly. And all this after Rock sorta backtracked from his joke ("Aww, c'mon. That was mild."). My impression, anyway.
Yeah, Will, this world is all about you. Please.
Chris Rock handled himself very well, all things considered.
Well, let me try. A man’s wife’s medical condition is joked about. He stood up for her. In past days, he’d be applauded. Now, I guess it’s “toxic masculinity.” Smith chose the wrong venue. He should have approached Rock off stage and slugged him. When, btw, is Rock gonna apologize. There is nothing funny about a medical condition. Ever. So, Smith chose unwisely. But not cause he slapped the guy. He freaking deserved it.
(03-28-2022, 08:00 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-28-2022, 07:43 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 12:28 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:16 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Apparently she's made jokes about it before. Even Will was laughed at Rock's joke. Then he saw Jada not laughing. . . .
In hindsight (seriously, how many people knew that Jada had a disease that caused hairless), maybe the joke was in poor taste, but Rock certainly didn't warrant getting slapped over it.
It's one thing to privately admit that you're gay, or that you have alopecia. It's quite another to have someone out you in front of billions of people. That costs you acting jobs and income. In a less enlightened time, Tom Hulce literally outed David Hyde Pierce when he strongly implied that he was guy. Hyde-Pierce's face was something to behold, as was Jada Pinkett's. And I agree, I don't think Will Smith intended to slap Chris Rock until he saw his wife's reaction.
Here's the unexpirgated language:
Watch the uncensored moment Will Smith smacks Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars, drops F-bomb - YouTube
How can you watch that tape and NOT think Smith is 99% in the wrong here? And a guy with problems. First, he laughed at the joke; then decided to walk up to him and whack the dude; then he compounded it by yelling expletives repeatedly. And all this after Rock sorta backtracked from his joke ("Aww, c'mon. That was mild."). My impression, anyway.
Yeah, Will, this world is all about you. Please.
Chris Rock handled himself very well, all things considered.
Well, let me try. A man’s wife’s medical condition is joked about. He stood up for her. In past days, he’d be applauded. Now, I guess it’s “toxic masculinity.” Smith chose the wrong venue. He should have approached Rock off stage and slugged him. When, btw, is Rock gonna apologize. There is nothing funny about a medical condition. Ever. So, Smith chose unwisely. But not cause he slapped the guy. He freaking deserved it.
And if Rock knew nothing about her medical condition? By the way, allegedly he didn't. . . .Lex, did you know she had alopecia and that's why she shaved her head?
(03-28-2022, 08:00 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-28-2022, 07:43 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 12:28 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-28-2022, 10:16 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Apparently she's made jokes about it before. Even Will was laughed at Rock's joke. Then he saw Jada not laughing. . . .
In hindsight (seriously, how many people knew that Jada had a disease that caused hairless), maybe the joke was in poor taste, but Rock certainly didn't warrant getting slapped over it.
It's one thing to privately admit that you're gay, or that you have alopecia. It's quite another to have someone out you in front of billions of people. That costs you acting jobs and income. In a less enlightened time, Tom Hulce literally outed David Hyde Pierce when he strongly implied that he was guy. Hyde-Pierce's face was something to behold, as was Jada Pinkett's. And I agree, I don't think Will Smith intended to slap Chris Rock until he saw his wife's reaction.
Here's the unexpirgated language:
Watch the uncensored moment Will Smith smacks Chris Rock on stage at the Oscars, drops F-bomb - YouTube
How can you watch that tape and NOT think Smith is 99% in the wrong here? And a guy with problems. First, he laughed at the joke; then decided to walk up to him and whack the dude; then he compounded it by yelling expletives repeatedly. And all this after Rock sorta backtracked from his joke ("Aww, c'mon. That was mild."). My impression, anyway.
Yeah, Will, this world is all about you. Please.
Chris Rock handled himself very well, all things considered.
Well, let me try. A man’s wife’s medical condition is joked about. He stood up for her. In past days, he’d be applauded. Now, I guess it’s “toxic masculinity.” Smith chose the wrong venue. He should have approached Rock off stage and slugged him. When, btw, is Rock gonna apologize. There is nothing funny about a medical condition. Ever. So, Smith chose unwisely. But not cause he slapped the guy. He freaking deserved it.
And if Rock knew nothing about her medical condition? By the way, allegedly he didn't. . . .Lex, did you know she had alopecia and that's why she shaved her head?
(03-28-2022, 08:45 PM)BostonCard Wrote: FFS, this isn’t the 50’s (by which I mean the 1750’s). What next, Smith throws down a gauntlet and we have pistols at dawn?Maybe so, depending on who would cover it, ESPN or CNN?
BC
(03-28-2022, 08:45 PM)BostonCard Wrote: FFS, this isn’t the 50’s (by which I mean the 1750’s). What next, Smith throws down a gauntlet and we have pistols at dawn?Maybe so, depending on who would cover it, ESPN or CNN?
BC
(03-28-2022, 07:43 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 12:28 PM)teejers1 Wrote: How can you watch that tape and NOT think Smith is 99% in the wrong here? And a guy with problems. First, he laughed at the joke; then decided to walk up to him and whack the dude; then he compounded it by yelling expletives repeatedly. And all this after Rock sorta backtracked from his joke ("Aww, c'mon. That was mild."). My impression, anyway.
Yeah, Will, this world is all about you. Please.
Chris Rock handled himself very well, all things considered.
Well, let me try. A man’s wife’s medical condition is joked about. He stood up for her. In past days, he’d be applauded. Now, I guess it’s “toxic masculinity.” Smith chose the wrong venue. He should have approached Rock off stage and slugged him. When, btw, is Rock gonna apologize. There is nothing funny about a medical condition. Ever. So, Smith chose unwisely. But not cause he slapped the guy. He freaking deserved it.
(03-28-2022, 07:43 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-28-2022, 12:28 PM)teejers1 Wrote: How can you watch that tape and NOT think Smith is 99% in the wrong here? And a guy with problems. First, he laughed at the joke; then decided to walk up to him and whack the dude; then he compounded it by yelling expletives repeatedly. And all this after Rock sorta backtracked from his joke ("Aww, c'mon. That was mild."). My impression, anyway.
Yeah, Will, this world is all about you. Please.
Chris Rock handled himself very well, all things considered.
Well, let me try. A man’s wife’s medical condition is joked about. He stood up for her. In past days, he’d be applauded. Now, I guess it’s “toxic masculinity.” Smith chose the wrong venue. He should have approached Rock off stage and slugged him. When, btw, is Rock gonna apologize. There is nothing funny about a medical condition. Ever. So, Smith chose unwisely. But not cause he slapped the guy. He freaking deserved it.
(03-29-2022, 07:07 AM)fullmetal Wrote: I really don't understand the pearl-clutching here. Neither man was really "in the right," but none of that behavior rises to anything more than "talk sh*t, get hit." Both sides exercised poor conduct that did not warrant any kind of law enforcement response. It was a weak joke at best, and the response was an open-handed slap meant to shame and not injure.And it was all part of an awards program for supposedly great movies. I think that kind of says it all about the appropriateness of both parties behavior and the fact that such behavior is common in "polite society" says even more about what passes for entertainment. Such things happening in a bar someplace is bad enough, but at the Academy Awards? Obviously impulse control is not a thing these days.
(03-29-2022, 07:07 AM)fullmetal Wrote: I really don't understand the pearl-clutching here. Neither man was really "in the right," but none of that behavior rises to anything more than "talk sh*t, get hit." Both sides exercised poor conduct that did not warrant any kind of law enforcement response. It was a weak joke at best, and the response was an open-handed slap meant to shame and not injure.And it was all part of an awards program for supposedly great movies. I think that kind of says it all about the appropriateness of both parties behavior and the fact that such behavior is common in "polite society" says even more about what passes for entertainment. Such things happening in a bar someplace is bad enough, but at the Academy Awards? Obviously impulse control is not a thing these days.
(03-29-2022, 07:07 AM)fullmetal Wrote: I really don't understand the pearl-clutching here. Neither man was really "in the right," but none of that behavior rises to anything more than "talk sh*t, get hit." Both sides exercised poor conduct that did not warrant any kind of law enforcement response. It was a weak joke at best, and the response was an open-handed slap meant to shame and not injure.
(03-29-2022, 07:07 AM)fullmetal Wrote: I really don't understand the pearl-clutching here. Neither man was really "in the right," but none of that behavior rises to anything more than "talk sh*t, get hit." Both sides exercised poor conduct that did not warrant any kind of law enforcement response. It was a weak joke at best, and the response was an open-handed slap meant to shame and not injure.
(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
(03-29-2022, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
Kareem had insightful take (which I think is here):
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith...-thing?s=r
(03-29-2022, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
Kareem had insightful take (which I think is here):
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith...-thing?s=r
(03-29-2022, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
Kareem had insightful take (which I think is here):
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith...-thing?s=r
(03-29-2022, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
Kareem had insightful take (which I think is here):
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith...-thing?s=r
(03-29-2022, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:Really like Kareem's piece.(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
Kareem had insightful take (which I think is here):
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith...-thing?s=r
(03-29-2022, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:Really like Kareem's piece.(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
Kareem had insightful take (which I think is here):
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith...-thing?s=r
(03-29-2022, 07:05 PM)Goose Wrote:(03-29-2022, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:Really like Kareem's piece.(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
Kareem had insightful take (which I think is here):
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith...-thing?s=r
(03-29-2022, 07:05 PM)Goose Wrote:(03-29-2022, 12:41 PM)teejers1 Wrote:Really like Kareem's piece.(03-29-2022, 05:18 AM)newguy Wrote: just to clarify, Rock did not joke about a woman's medical condition. he joked about a woman's choice to not wear a wig. and Smith was laughing until he saw his wife's reaction.
Kareem had insightful take (which I think is here):
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith...-thing?s=r
(03-30-2022, 01:23 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote: Back a few years ago, Kareem was the only commentator who noticed that Donald Sterling (in an essay that roundly condemned Sterling's racism) was also the victim of a felonious violation of privacy - this at the height of the NSA insanity. He has a lot of common sense.
BTW, it's more and more apparent that Smith did irrevocable harm to himself. Humpty Dumpty.
(03-30-2022, 01:23 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote: Back a few years ago, Kareem was the only commentator who noticed that Donald Sterling (in an essay that roundly condemned Sterling's racism) was also the victim of a felonious violation of privacy - this at the height of the NSA insanity. He has a lot of common sense.
BTW, it's more and more apparent that Smith did irrevocable harm to himself. Humpty Dumpty.