12-09-2023, 07:52 PM
How on earth did neither Nix nor Penix win the award? What a joke. Again.
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
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Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
How on earth did neither Nix nor Penix win the award? What a joke. Again.
Free Phogge!!!! And no, crimson doesn't refer to the Tide.
12-09-2023, 09:47 PM
cardcrimson dateline='[url=tel:1702176739' Wrote: 1702176739[/url]']
How on earth did neither Nix nor Penix win the award? What a joke. Again.
Gotta disagree. I thought Daniels had the best season of any player in the country. Quite frankly, I thought he was going to be aced out because his team didn’t make the playoffs. I was happy to see him get the trophy. He earned it.
cardcrimson dateline='[url=tel:1702176739' Wrote: 1702176739[/url]']
How on earth did neither Nix nor Penix win the award? What a joke. Again.
Gotta disagree. I thought Daniels had the best season of any player in the country. Quite frankly, I thought he was going to be aced out because his team didn’t make the playoffs. I was happy to see him get the trophy. He earned it.
12-09-2023, 10:16 PM
I thought Daniels was really good at ASU, and he continued to improve. If Oregon had beaten Wash I think Nix would have won it. The SEC folks always consider him to be one of theirs.
I thought Daniels was really good at ASU, and he continued to improve. If Oregon had beaten Wash I think Nix would have won it. The SEC folks always consider him to be one of theirs.
12-10-2023, 10:26 AM
I'm not gonna say Daniels didn't deserve it, but having two Pac-12 finalists split West votes and given the South's propensity to purposefully leave West players off of their ballot entirely, the odds were against Penix and Nix.
I'm not gonna say Daniels didn't deserve it, but having two Pac-12 finalists split West votes and given the South's propensity to purposefully leave West players off of their ballot entirely, the odds were against Penix and Nix.
Passer rating, a thing coined like 40 years after the trophy's namesake died, of course not the only way to measure worthiness for the trophy. Toby was certainly dinged for his team not being a national title contender.
Not scandalized, he's a great and worthy player, but a bit of a shame how things always seem to tilt towards the south in CFB.
Not scandalized, he's a great and worthy player, but a bit of a shame how things always seem to tilt towards the south in CFB.
Passer rating, a thing coined like 40 years after the trophy's namesake died, of course not the only way to measure worthiness for the trophy. Toby was certainly dinged for his team not being a national title contender.
Not scandalized, he's a great and worthy player, but a bit of a shame how things always seem to tilt towards the south in CFB.
Not scandalized, he's a great and worthy player, but a bit of a shame how things always seem to tilt towards the south in CFB.
12-10-2023, 06:52 PM
Of course it’s not the only way, but there are numerous ways to measure impact and several would view this as one of the greatest single seasons in history. At a minimum really freaking great. Certainly a lot better than Toby Gerhart.
Attention goes to the SEC because they have more fans and more passionate fans. It’s not bias as much as capitalism/democracy/will of the people. This creates self-reinforcing dynamics whereby the SEC gets more of the attention and more resources and I get why that’s frustrating to some fans from elsewhere. But I do think the arguments are not grounded in reality when, as has happened often the last two weeks, people try to question the claims to national preeminence of the top teams/players in the SEC. They’re really great.
Attention goes to the SEC because they have more fans and more passionate fans. It’s not bias as much as capitalism/democracy/will of the people. This creates self-reinforcing dynamics whereby the SEC gets more of the attention and more resources and I get why that’s frustrating to some fans from elsewhere. But I do think the arguments are not grounded in reality when, as has happened often the last two weeks, people try to question the claims to national preeminence of the top teams/players in the SEC. They’re really great.
Of course it’s not the only way, but there are numerous ways to measure impact and several would view this as one of the greatest single seasons in history. At a minimum really freaking great. Certainly a lot better than Toby Gerhart.
Attention goes to the SEC because they have more fans and more passionate fans. It’s not bias as much as capitalism/democracy/will of the people. This creates self-reinforcing dynamics whereby the SEC gets more of the attention and more resources and I get why that’s frustrating to some fans from elsewhere. But I do think the arguments are not grounded in reality when, as has happened often the last two weeks, people try to question the claims to national preeminence of the top teams/players in the SEC. They’re really great.
Attention goes to the SEC because they have more fans and more passionate fans. It’s not bias as much as capitalism/democracy/will of the people. This creates self-reinforcing dynamics whereby the SEC gets more of the attention and more resources and I get why that’s frustrating to some fans from elsewhere. But I do think the arguments are not grounded in reality when, as has happened often the last two weeks, people try to question the claims to national preeminence of the top teams/players in the SEC. They’re really great.
12-10-2023, 07:22 PM
Every time I watched Daniels play, I was really impressed. Seemed like the best player on the field to me every time, and against legit competition. The stats seem to confirm this.
I actually though Nix was better than Penix, but I thought Daniels was better than both. Just one man’s opinion.
-m.
I actually though Nix was better than Penix, but I thought Daniels was better than both. Just one man’s opinion.
-m.
Every time I watched Daniels play, I was really impressed. Seemed like the best player on the field to me every time, and against legit competition. The stats seem to confirm this.
I actually though Nix was better than Penix, but I thought Daniels was better than both. Just one man’s opinion.
-m.
I actually though Nix was better than Penix, but I thought Daniels was better than both. Just one man’s opinion.
-m.
12-10-2023, 10:09 PM
msqueri dateline='[url=tel:1702238355' Wrote: 1702238355[/url]']
Daniels literally has the highest passer rating ever recorded. It can be so embarrassing how blinkered regional partisans get. It’s silly to be scandalized by Daniels winning.
And he led the nation in rushing yards/attempt (8.4)
Note: 120 minimum attempts
msqueri dateline='[url=tel:1702238355' Wrote: 1702238355[/url]']
Daniels literally has the highest passer rating ever recorded. It can be so embarrassing how blinkered regional partisans get. It’s silly to be scandalized by Daniels winning.
And he led the nation in rushing yards/attempt (8.4)
Note: 120 minimum attempts
12-11-2023, 12:24 AM
CowboyIndian dateline='[url=tel:1702272783' Wrote: 1702272783[/url]']
msqueri dateline='[url=tel:1702259527' Wrote: 1702259527[/url]']
….several would view this as one of the greatest single seasons in history. At a minimum really freaking great. Certainly a lot better than Toby Gerhart.
And then there’s Christian McCaffrey’s 2015!
The true robbery.
CowboyIndian dateline='[url=tel:1702272783' Wrote: 1702272783[/url]']
msqueri dateline='[url=tel:1702259527' Wrote: 1702259527[/url]']
….several would view this as one of the greatest single seasons in history. At a minimum really freaking great. Certainly a lot better than Toby Gerhart.
And then there’s Christian McCaffrey’s 2015!
The true robbery.
12-11-2023, 09:08 AM
(12-11-2023, 08:04 AM)rudruff Wrote: Gerhart, Luck(x2), CMac, and Love. There does seem to be a pattern.
Somewhat ironically, I think future versions of those gentlemen will benefit from being in the ACC or whatever All-Colossal Conference results from the next negotiated viewing rights contract. At least Stanford will be playing games in the East, South and Midwest.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
(12-11-2023, 08:04 AM)rudruff Wrote: Gerhart, Luck(x2), CMac, and Love. There does seem to be a pattern.
Somewhat ironically, I think future versions of those gentlemen will benefit from being in the ACC or whatever All-Colossal Conference results from the next negotiated viewing rights contract. At least Stanford will be playing games in the East, South and Midwest.
Audaces fortuna iuvat
12-11-2023, 04:37 PM
(12-11-2023, 09:08 AM)Mick Wrote:(12-11-2023, 08:04 AM)rudruff Wrote: Gerhart, Luck(x2), CMac, and Love. There does seem to be a pattern.
Somewhat ironically, I think future versions of those gentlemen will benefit from being in the ACC or whatever All-Colossal Conference results from the next negotiated viewing rights contract. At least Stanford will be playing games in the East, South and Midwest.
Probably not. Those weirdos out west will be resented stepchildren for a long time. Did we ever really accept Colorado?
(12-11-2023, 09:08 AM)Mick Wrote:(12-11-2023, 08:04 AM)rudruff Wrote: Gerhart, Luck(x2), CMac, and Love. There does seem to be a pattern.
Somewhat ironically, I think future versions of those gentlemen will benefit from being in the ACC or whatever All-Colossal Conference results from the next negotiated viewing rights contract. At least Stanford will be playing games in the East, South and Midwest.
Probably not. Those weirdos out west will be resented stepchildren for a long time. Did we ever really accept Colorado?
12-11-2023, 05:04 PM
(12-11-2023, 04:37 PM)82 Card Wrote:Did we ever really accept ASU :-)?(12-11-2023, 09:08 AM)Mick Wrote:(12-11-2023, 08:04 AM)rudruff Wrote: Gerhart, Luck(x2), CMac, and Love. There does seem to be a pattern.
Somewhat ironically, I think future versions of those gentlemen will benefit from being in the ACC or whatever All-Colossal Conference results from the next negotiated viewing rights contract. At least Stanford will be playing games in the East, South and Midwest.
Probably not. Those weirdos out west will be resented stepchildren for a long time. Did we ever really accept Colorado?
IMO there is also a fair bit of what amounts to anti-Stanford bias. There is a general assumption that Stanford isn't really a "serious" football school and therefore if Stanford appears to have a real good player, it is marked with an asterisk. It just can't true, and JP winning was definitely a unicorn.
(12-11-2023, 04:37 PM)82 Card Wrote:Did we ever really accept ASU :-)?(12-11-2023, 09:08 AM)Mick Wrote:(12-11-2023, 08:04 AM)rudruff Wrote: Gerhart, Luck(x2), CMac, and Love. There does seem to be a pattern.
Somewhat ironically, I think future versions of those gentlemen will benefit from being in the ACC or whatever All-Colossal Conference results from the next negotiated viewing rights contract. At least Stanford will be playing games in the East, South and Midwest.
Probably not. Those weirdos out west will be resented stepchildren for a long time. Did we ever really accept Colorado?
IMO there is also a fair bit of what amounts to anti-Stanford bias. There is a general assumption that Stanford isn't really a "serious" football school and therefore if Stanford appears to have a real good player, it is marked with an asterisk. It just can't true, and JP winning was definitely a unicorn.
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