[oldalum]

does 500 new cases since arrival represent an unacceptable health risk in Tuscaloosa?  If every single one of them recovers in short order w/o needing to usurp hospital resources, then the answer is no.

that assumes those 500 did not infect anyone else, which of course they did, including possibly some faculty/staff too.

[oldalum]

does 500 new cases since arrival represent an unacceptable health risk in Tuscaloosa?  If every single one of them recovers in short order w/o needing to usurp hospital resources, then the answer is no.

that assumes those 500 did not infect anyone else, which of course they did, including possibly some faculty/staff too.

[teejers1]

does 500 new cases since arrival represent an unacceptable health risk in Tuscaloosa?  If every single one of them recovers in short order w/o needing to usurp hospital resources, then the answer is no.

that assumes those 500 did not infect anyone else, which of course they did, including possibly some faculty/staff too.

True.  Which is why I think community hospital capacity is such a critical fact.  If you cannot "crush the curve" and stomp out the virus via SiP - and in my opinion that horse left the barn months ago (possibly even before anyone of importance in the US had a clue) - then THE most important thing is assuring that those who need hospital treatment get it.  That would include Professor X at University College; as well as Grandma who ran into college student at the local grocery store.

But it's also important to acknowledge that under any "activity" scenario, risk goes up, including fatality risk in some quantum, particularly for vulnerable groups.  Incremental risk, weighed against incremental benefit; and is that risk "acceptable" by whatever standards/thinking is in place.  Same thought process for any kind of activity.  At least that's how I look at it.

[teejers1]

does 500 new cases since arrival represent an unacceptable health risk in Tuscaloosa?  If every single one of them recovers in short order w/o needing to usurp hospital resources, then the answer is no.

that assumes those 500 did not infect anyone else, which of course they did, including possibly some faculty/staff too.

True.  Which is why I think community hospital capacity is such a critical fact.  If you cannot "crush the curve" and stomp out the virus via SiP - and in my opinion that horse left the barn months ago (possibly even before anyone of importance in the US had a clue) - then THE most important thing is assuring that those who need hospital treatment get it.  That would include Professor X at University College; as well as Grandma who ran into college student at the local grocery store.

But it's also important to acknowledge that under any "activity" scenario, risk goes up, including fatality risk in some quantum, particularly for vulnerable groups.  Incremental risk, weighed against incremental benefit; and is that risk "acceptable" by whatever standards/thinking is in place.  Same thought process for any kind of activity.  At least that's how I look at it.

[Goose]

But it's also important to acknowledge that under any "activity" scenario, risk goes up, including fatality risk in some quantum, particularly for vulnerable groups.  Incremental risk, weighed against incremental benefit; and is that risk "acceptable" by whatever standards/thinking is in place.  Same thought process for any kind of activity.  At least that's how I look at it.

I agree with looking at it that way. Unfortunately, even estimating the incremental risk is extremely difficult because there are so many things we do not know. That requires a "de-rating factor" for our risk estimate, and unfortunately that de-rating factor is pretty much a matter of personal risk tolerance. This makes consensus very elusive.

[Goose]

But it's also important to acknowledge that under any "activity" scenario, risk goes up, including fatality risk in some quantum, particularly for vulnerable groups.  Incremental risk, weighed against incremental benefit; and is that risk "acceptable" by whatever standards/thinking is in place.  Same thought process for any kind of activity.  At least that's how I look at it.

I agree with looking at it that way. Unfortunately, even estimating the incremental risk is extremely difficult because there are so many things we do not know. That requires a "de-rating factor" for our risk estimate, and unfortunately that de-rating factor is pretty much a matter of personal risk tolerance. This makes consensus very elusive.

[Snorlax94]

The NYTimes had an article on the (un)likelihood of college football this fall.  My job dropped at this stat:
“Also, uncertainties remain about residual effects of the coronavirus — particularly myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that contributed to the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences’ decisions not to play football this fall. A cardiologist at Ohio State is nearing publication of a study in which nearly 15 percent of athletes who contracted the virus showed signs of myocarditis when tested with a cardiac M.R.I.“

15 percent of covid-positive athletes showed signs of myocarditis on an MRI!!!

I wonder if the Big 10 got an early peek at this upcoming paper since the researcher works at The Ohio State. 

Even more scandalous, I wonder if the SEC and Big 12 also had early access to this data, and proceeded anyway.

[Snorlax94]

The NYTimes had an article on the (un)likelihood of college football this fall.  My job dropped at this stat:
“Also, uncertainties remain about residual effects of the coronavirus — particularly myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that contributed to the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences’ decisions not to play football this fall. A cardiologist at Ohio State is nearing publication of a study in which nearly 15 percent of athletes who contracted the virus showed signs of myocarditis when tested with a cardiac M.R.I.“

15 percent of covid-positive athletes showed signs of myocarditis on an MRI!!!

I wonder if the Big 10 got an early peek at this upcoming paper since the researcher works at The Ohio State. 

Even more scandalous, I wonder if the SEC and Big 12 also had early access to this data, and proceeded anyway.

[teejers1]

The NYTimes had an article on the (un)likelihood of college football this fall.  My job dropped at this stat:
“Also, uncertainties remain about residual effects of the coronavirus — particularly myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that contributed to the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences’ decisions not to play football this fall. A cardiologist at Ohio State is nearing publication of a study in which nearly 15 percent of athletes who contracted the virus showed signs of myocarditis when tested with a cardiac M.R.I.“

15 percent of covid-positive athletes showed signs of myocarditis on an MRI!!!

I wonder if the Big 10 got an early peek at this upcoming paper since the researcher works at The Ohio State. 

Even more scandalous, I wonder if the SEC and Big 12 also had early access to this data, and proceeded anyway.

Aren't there reasons for pause before embracing the import of the 15% statement you do so fully, including comments from doctors here?  
Someone here said very little is known about myocarditis; thus, I find the phrase "signs of myocarditis" pretty vague. 
Again, would appreciate commentary from the docs in these parts.

I don't mean to belittle the medical fallout from the virus, but I also think it important to read articles critically and with an understanding of exactly what is being said (and not being said).

[teejers1]

The NYTimes had an article on the (un)likelihood of college football this fall.  My job dropped at this stat:
“Also, uncertainties remain about residual effects of the coronavirus — particularly myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that contributed to the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences’ decisions not to play football this fall. A cardiologist at Ohio State is nearing publication of a study in which nearly 15 percent of athletes who contracted the virus showed signs of myocarditis when tested with a cardiac M.R.I.“

15 percent of covid-positive athletes showed signs of myocarditis on an MRI!!!

I wonder if the Big 10 got an early peek at this upcoming paper since the researcher works at The Ohio State. 

Even more scandalous, I wonder if the SEC and Big 12 also had early access to this data, and proceeded anyway.

Aren't there reasons for pause before embracing the import of the 15% statement you do so fully, including comments from doctors here?  
Someone here said very little is known about myocarditis; thus, I find the phrase "signs of myocarditis" pretty vague. 
Again, would appreciate commentary from the docs in these parts.

I don't mean to belittle the medical fallout from the virus, but I also think it important to read articles critically and with an understanding of exactly what is being said (and not being said).

[oldalum]

But it's also important to acknowledge that under any "activity" scenario, risk goes up, including fatality risk in some quantum, particularly for vulnerable groups.  Incremental risk, weighed against incremental benefit; and is that risk "acceptable" by whatever standards/thinking is in place.  

Yes I agree. Unfortunately risk is difficult to judge because our knowledge of virus transmission is still so uncertain and because risk depends on the risk-reduction activities of those infected and those subject to infection, as well as the effectiveness of testing and tracing. If everyone wore N95 or KN95 properly fitting masks whenever appropriate, I wonder if the risk of transmission would be reduced so much that most of the economy could re-open fully. I wear a well-fitting KN95 mask around (widely available for purchase, could be provided to everyone by the government) and, perhaps foolishly, feel pretty well protected in it. I wonder if teachers and students all wear them, would the risk of transmission be acceptably low and in-classroom learning could resume, at least at the higher levels?
___________________________________________________
Addendum: from a news report yesterday, from South Korea:

Do masks really work? Ask the dozens of Starbucks customers who tested positive for COVID-19 in Seoul this month after a woman with coronavirus sat under one of the cafe’s air-conditioners.

According to a local news report, at least 56 coronavirus cases have been linked to that one customer. The kicker: The four masked workers avoided infection.

The Starbucks SBUX, -0.83% patrons, according to officials, weren’t consistently wearing masks because, of course, it’s hard to enjoy a latte when you can’t access your mouth.

“This speaks volumes about the role masks can play,” Ma Sang Hyuk, a pediatric infectious diseases physician in South Korea, explained to Bloomberg News. “Masks may not provide 100% protection, but there’s nothing out there that’s as effective.”

Local authorities made it mandatory this week for everybody to wear masks both indoors and outdoors, as the greater Seoul area has seen a surge in coronavirus cases.

[oldalum]

But it's also important to acknowledge that under any "activity" scenario, risk goes up, including fatality risk in some quantum, particularly for vulnerable groups.  Incremental risk, weighed against incremental benefit; and is that risk "acceptable" by whatever standards/thinking is in place.  

Yes I agree. Unfortunately risk is difficult to judge because our knowledge of virus transmission is still so uncertain and because risk depends on the risk-reduction activities of those infected and those subject to infection, as well as the effectiveness of testing and tracing. If everyone wore N95 or KN95 properly fitting masks whenever appropriate, I wonder if the risk of transmission would be reduced so much that most of the economy could re-open fully. I wear a well-fitting KN95 mask around (widely available for purchase, could be provided to everyone by the government) and, perhaps foolishly, feel pretty well protected in it. I wonder if teachers and students all wear them, would the risk of transmission be acceptably low and in-classroom learning could resume, at least at the higher levels?
___________________________________________________
Addendum: from a news report yesterday, from South Korea:

Do masks really work? Ask the dozens of Starbucks customers who tested positive for COVID-19 in Seoul this month after a woman with coronavirus sat under one of the cafe’s air-conditioners.

According to a local news report, at least 56 coronavirus cases have been linked to that one customer. The kicker: The four masked workers avoided infection.

The Starbucks SBUX, -0.83% patrons, according to officials, weren’t consistently wearing masks because, of course, it’s hard to enjoy a latte when you can’t access your mouth.

“This speaks volumes about the role masks can play,” Ma Sang Hyuk, a pediatric infectious diseases physician in South Korea, explained to Bloomberg News. “Masks may not provide 100% protection, but there’s nothing out there that’s as effective.”

Local authorities made it mandatory this week for everybody to wear masks both indoors and outdoors, as the greater Seoul area has seen a surge in coronavirus cases.

[OutsiderFan]

There are two problems with playing college football this Fall.

1. Many athletes have been infected and have Myocarditis that could potentially lead to great liability for schools.

2. The virus is likely going to ramp up significantly in September and October.

The Pac-12 and Big Ten are doing a better job managing their risk than the ACC, Big 12, and SEC because they are taking the possibility of a player dying from Covid complications off the table, and they are not walking out on the virus spread thin ice that attempts to play season could fall through.

It may be the conferences going forward do so without incident. That would be awesome. However, the data suggests there is high probability for at least one of these two concerns to manifest and make playing games impossible.

[OutsiderFan]

There are two problems with playing college football this Fall.

1. Many athletes have been infected and have Myocarditis that could potentially lead to great liability for schools.

2. The virus is likely going to ramp up significantly in September and October.

The Pac-12 and Big Ten are doing a better job managing their risk than the ACC, Big 12, and SEC because they are taking the possibility of a player dying from Covid complications off the table, and they are not walking out on the virus spread thin ice that attempts to play season could fall through.

It may be the conferences going forward do so without incident. That would be awesome. However, the data suggests there is high probability for at least one of these two concerns to manifest and make playing games impossible.

[BostonCard]

Addendum: from a news report yesterday, from South Korea:

Do masks really work? Ask the dozens of Starbucks customers who tested positive for COVID-19 in Seoul this month after a woman with coronavirus sat under one of the cafe’s air-conditioners.

According to a local news report, at least 56 coronavirus cases have been linked to that one customer. The kicker: The four masked workers avoided infection.

The Starbucks SBUX, -0.83% patrons, according to officials, weren’t consistently wearing masks because, of course, it’s hard to enjoy a latte when you can’t access your mouth.

“This speaks volumes about the role masks can play,” Ma Sang Hyuk, a pediatric infectious diseases physician in South Korea, explained to Bloomberg News. “Masks may not provide 100% protection, but there’s nothing out there that’s as effective.”

Local authorities made it mandatory this week for everybody to wear masks both indoors and outdoors, as the greater Seoul area has seen a surge in coronavirus cases.

Another example.  Remember the two hairstylists in Missouri who tested positive for COVID?  They didn't pass it on to any of their 100+ customers.  While causality is hard to determine with certainty, there's a good chance that the fact that they were masked was a contributing factor.

BC

[BostonCard]

Addendum: from a news report yesterday, from South Korea:

Do masks really work? Ask the dozens of Starbucks customers who tested positive for COVID-19 in Seoul this month after a woman with coronavirus sat under one of the cafe’s air-conditioners.

According to a local news report, at least 56 coronavirus cases have been linked to that one customer. The kicker: The four masked workers avoided infection.

The Starbucks SBUX, -0.83% patrons, according to officials, weren’t consistently wearing masks because, of course, it’s hard to enjoy a latte when you can’t access your mouth.

“This speaks volumes about the role masks can play,” Ma Sang Hyuk, a pediatric infectious diseases physician in South Korea, explained to Bloomberg News. “Masks may not provide 100% protection, but there’s nothing out there that’s as effective.”

Local authorities made it mandatory this week for everybody to wear masks both indoors and outdoors, as the greater Seoul area has seen a surge in coronavirus cases.

Another example.  Remember the two hairstylists in Missouri who tested positive for COVID?  They didn't pass it on to any of their 100+ customers.  While causality is hard to determine with certainty, there's a good chance that the fact that they were masked was a contributing factor.

BC

[oldalum]

another possibly longterm effect of Covid-19, including for young adults, is neurological problems: Bloomberg article

"A growing contingent of Covid-19 patients whose symptoms were initially mild are now facing mysterious long-term neurological problems, including memory and sleep disturbances, dizziness, nerve pain and what survivors refer to as “brain fog.”

The phenomenon, involving thousands of patients with symptoms lasting months at a time, complicates the Trump administration’s argument that most illness is mild so the U.S. can quickly reopen the economy. These frightening long-term cases aren’t captured in official statistics that show that the vast majority of younger adults survive the virus."

[oldalum]

another possibly longterm effect of Covid-19, including for young adults, is neurological problems: Bloomberg article

"A growing contingent of Covid-19 patients whose symptoms were initially mild are now facing mysterious long-term neurological problems, including memory and sleep disturbances, dizziness, nerve pain and what survivors refer to as “brain fog.”

The phenomenon, involving thousands of patients with symptoms lasting months at a time, complicates the Trump administration’s argument that most illness is mild so the U.S. can quickly reopen the economy. These frightening long-term cases aren’t captured in official statistics that show that the vast majority of younger adults survive the virus."

[OutsiderFan]

That Bloomberg article adds fuel to those who think we are being way too cavalier about Covid-19. Even those who don't appear to have much impact from it initially, are starting to show signs of long-term complications. I think the greatest takeaway is that the virus itself doesn't do the most damage, but the body's reaction to it does.

[OutsiderFan]

That Bloomberg article adds fuel to those who think we are being way too cavalier about Covid-19. Even those who don't appear to have much impact from it initially, are starting to show signs of long-term complications. I think the greatest takeaway is that the virus itself doesn't do the most damage, but the body's reaction to it does.

[lex24]

That Bloomberg article adds fuel to those who think we are being way too cavalier about Covid-19. Even those who don't appear to have much impact from it initially, are starting to show signs of long-term complications. I think the greatest takeaway is that the virus itself doesn't do the most damage, but the body's reaction to it does.

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?

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That Bloomberg article adds fuel to those who think we are being way too cavalier about Covid-19. Even those who don't appear to have much impact from it initially, are starting to show signs of long-term complications. I think the greatest takeaway is that the virus itself doesn't do the most damage, but the body's reaction to it does.

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door? Never in history has there been this type of resonse - shutdowns etc- to a pandemic. I’m not arguing of its effectiveness or lack thereof. But the response to this has hardly been “cavalier”.

[lex24]

That Bloomberg article adds fuel to those who think we are being way too cavalier about Covid-19. Even those who don't appear to have much impact from it initially, are starting to show signs of long-term complications. I think the greatest takeaway is that the virus itself doesn't do the most damage, but the body's reaction to it does.

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?

---

That Bloomberg article adds fuel to those who think we are being way too cavalier about Covid-19. Even those who don't appear to have much impact from it initially, are starting to show signs of long-term complications. I think the greatest takeaway is that the virus itself doesn't do the most damage, but the body's reaction to it does.

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door? Never in history has there been this type of resonse - shutdowns etc- to a pandemic. I’m not arguing of its effectiveness or lack thereof. But the response to this has hardly been “cavalier”.

[82 Card]

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?  Never in history has there been this type of resonse - shutdowns etc- to a pandemic.  I’m not arguing of its effectiveness or lack thereof.  But the response to this has hardly been “cavalier”.

Never is a long time but I only went back to 1918. Scroll down to the part about St. Louis in https://history.com/news/spanish-flu-pan...nse-cities.

[82 Card]

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?  Never in history has there been this type of resonse - shutdowns etc- to a pandemic.  I’m not arguing of its effectiveness or lack thereof.  But the response to this has hardly been “cavalier”.

Never is a long time but I only went back to 1918. Scroll down to the part about St. Louis in https://history.com/news/spanish-flu-pan...nse-cities.

[Mick]

That Bloomberg article adds fuel to those who think we are being way too cavalier about Covid-19. Even those who don't appear to have much impact from it initially, are starting to show signs of long-term complications. I think the greatest takeaway is that the virus itself doesn't do the most damage, but the body's reaction to it does.

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?

Sounds good.  We can hire back the restaurant workers, re-open the restaurants, have the restaurants cook and deliver the food to residents.  Which, actually, was a Governor Newsom proposal.

[Mick]

That Bloomberg article adds fuel to those who think we are being way too cavalier about Covid-19. Even those who don't appear to have much impact from it initially, are starting to show signs of long-term complications. I think the greatest takeaway is that the virus itself doesn't do the most damage, but the body's reaction to it does.

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?

Sounds good.  We can hire back the restaurant workers, re-open the restaurants, have the restaurants cook and deliver the food to residents.  Which, actually, was a Governor Newsom proposal.

[lex24]

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?  Never in history has there been this type of resonse - shutdowns etc- to a pandemic.  I’m not arguing of its effectiveness or lack thereof.  But the response to this has hardly been “cavalier”.

Never is a long time but I only went back to 1918. Scroll down to the part about St. Louis in https://history.com/news/spanish-flu-pan...nse-cities.

I meant world wide and nationally.

[lex24]

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?  Never in history has there been this type of resonse - shutdowns etc- to a pandemic.  I’m not arguing of its effectiveness or lack thereof.  But the response to this has hardly been “cavalier”.

Never is a long time but I only went back to 1918. Scroll down to the part about St. Louis in https://history.com/news/spanish-flu-pan...nse-cities.

I meant world wide and nationally.

[Snorlax94]

The NYTimes had an article on the (un)likelihood of college football this fall.  My job dropped at this stat:
“Also, uncertainties remain about residual effects of the coronavirus — particularly myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that contributed to the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences’ decisions not to play football this fall. A cardiologist at Ohio State is nearing publication of a study in which nearly 15 percent of athletes who contracted the virus showed signs of myocarditis when tested with a cardiac M.R.I.“

15 percent of covid-positive athletes showed signs of myocarditis on an MRI!!!

I wonder if the Big 10 got an early peek at this upcoming paper since the researcher works at The Ohio State. 

Even more scandalous, I wonder if the SEC and Big 12 also had early access to this data, and proceeded anyway.

Aren't there reasons for pause before embracing the import of the 15% statement you do so fully, including comments from doctors here?  

I don’t see how any “import” is being “embraced.” I’m stunned at the prevalence — 15% of Covid positive young, elite athletes showing signs of myocarditis. That is a HIGH percentage of players — much higher than I was aware of. There is no “embracing” about it. It is a percent. It is a number. Given the infection rates we are already seeing at many college campuses that have re-opened, I wouldn’t let my child play college football if close to 15% of infected athletes showed signs of myocarditis. Previously, people have suggested football should continue because it’d just be a flu for most and maybe complicated for 1 player on a team or in a conference, but this is potentially 15% of each team being unable to play and unable to even train or condition for a season, and possibly longer.

[Snorlax94]

The NYTimes had an article on the (un)likelihood of college football this fall.  My job dropped at this stat:
“Also, uncertainties remain about residual effects of the coronavirus — particularly myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that contributed to the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences’ decisions not to play football this fall. A cardiologist at Ohio State is nearing publication of a study in which nearly 15 percent of athletes who contracted the virus showed signs of myocarditis when tested with a cardiac M.R.I.“

15 percent of covid-positive athletes showed signs of myocarditis on an MRI!!!

I wonder if the Big 10 got an early peek at this upcoming paper since the researcher works at The Ohio State. 

Even more scandalous, I wonder if the SEC and Big 12 also had early access to this data, and proceeded anyway.

Aren't there reasons for pause before embracing the import of the 15% statement you do so fully, including comments from doctors here?  

I don’t see how any “import” is being “embraced.” I’m stunned at the prevalence — 15% of Covid positive young, elite athletes showing signs of myocarditis. That is a HIGH percentage of players — much higher than I was aware of. There is no “embracing” about it. It is a percent. It is a number. Given the infection rates we are already seeing at many college campuses that have re-opened, I wouldn’t let my child play college football if close to 15% of infected athletes showed signs of myocarditis. Previously, people have suggested football should continue because it’d just be a flu for most and maybe complicated for 1 player on a team or in a conference, but this is potentially 15% of each team being unable to play and unable to even train or condition for a season, and possibly longer.

[Goose]

15% of Covid positive young, elite athletes showing signs of myocarditis.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody what percentage of Covid negative young, elite athletes show "signs of myocarditis"? Has that test been done using the same criteria used in the cited test?

[Goose]

15% of Covid positive young, elite athletes showing signs of myocarditis.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody what percentage of Covid negative young, elite athletes show "signs of myocarditis"? Has that test been done using the same criteria used in the cited test?

[Farm93]

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?  Never in history has there been this type of resonse - shutdowns etc- to a pandemic.  I’m not arguing of its effectiveness or lack thereof.  But the response to this has hardly been “cavalier”.

Never is a long time but I only went back to 1918. Scroll down to the part about St. Louis in https://history.com/news/spanish-flu-pan...nse-cities.

I meant world wide and nationally.

They actually have done that around the world.   The supply delivery was the Wuhan method during their lockdown.   In Italy citizens were only allowed to leave their homes for supplies, and many needed permits to take those trips.  When New Zealand had their blip in new cases a few weeks ago they returned to a lockdown.   

So those that are enjoying sustained normal-ish lives worked diligently to crush the curve and keep cases down.   Italy was in pretty bad shape when they took on their national effort, so it is never too late to make that commitment to get to normal-ish faster.

The USA is quickly approaching 6 full months with strained hospitals and an economy added by trillions of new or easy dollars.  In retrospect 90 days doing the right thing would have been cheaper if we had started that in Feb, Mar, Apr or May at this point.   Not hard at all to imagine that by November we will have the numbers to show it would have been better to get serious in August. 

SiP would do the trick, the USA won't be doing that obviously.  
Mandatory mask policies in all states coupled with group size restrictions, no restaurants and no bars for 90 days might be enough too.   

We definitely won't see that any time soon given the organizers of the superspreader show on the South Lawn are in charge. 
So the USA is destined to stay in the ride the wave group.   Brazil, Mexico and the USA.   Woo hooo!

I love Mexico and Brazil, but .....

If in March I was given a choice between  
Group 1 - South Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Germany and Norway  
Group 2 - Brazil, Mexico and Russia

I would have picked Group 1 for sure, and would have never imagined we would actually be less successful than the countries in that Group 2 list.

[Farm93]

Too cavalier?  Seriously.  What should we do - lock everyone inside and have food and water dropped off at their door?  Never in history has there been this type of resonse - shutdowns etc- to a pandemic.  I’m not arguing of its effectiveness or lack thereof.  But the response to this has hardly been “cavalier”.

Never is a long time but I only went back to 1918. Scroll down to the part about St. Louis in https://history.com/news/spanish-flu-pan...nse-cities.

I meant world wide and nationally.

They actually have done that around the world.   The supply delivery was the Wuhan method during their lockdown.   In Italy citizens were only allowed to leave their homes for supplies, and many needed permits to take those trips.  When New Zealand had their blip in new cases a few weeks ago they returned to a lockdown.   

So those that are enjoying sustained normal-ish lives worked diligently to crush the curve and keep cases down.   Italy was in pretty bad shape when they took on their national effort, so it is never too late to make that commitment to get to normal-ish faster.

The USA is quickly approaching 6 full months with strained hospitals and an economy added by trillions of new or easy dollars.  In retrospect 90 days doing the right thing would have been cheaper if we had started that in Feb, Mar, Apr or May at this point.   Not hard at all to imagine that by November we will have the numbers to show it would have been better to get serious in August. 

SiP would do the trick, the USA won't be doing that obviously.  
Mandatory mask policies in all states coupled with group size restrictions, no restaurants and no bars for 90 days might be enough too.   

We definitely won't see that any time soon given the organizers of the superspreader show on the South Lawn are in charge. 
So the USA is destined to stay in the ride the wave group.   Brazil, Mexico and the USA.   Woo hooo!

I love Mexico and Brazil, but .....

If in March I was given a choice between  
Group 1 - South Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Germany and Norway  
Group 2 - Brazil, Mexico and Russia

I would have picked Group 1 for sure, and would have never imagined we would actually be less successful than the countries in that Group 2 list.

[chrisk]

Does anybody have a link to a report that the Big 10 may restart football around Thanksgiving.

[chrisk]

Does anybody have a link to a report that the Big 10 may restart football around Thanksgiving.

[82lsju]

Does anybody have a link to a report that the Big 10 may restart football around Thanksgiving.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...by-league/

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...n-football

[82lsju]

Does anybody have a link to a report that the Big 10 may restart football around Thanksgiving.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...by-league/

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...n-football

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15% of Covid positive young, elite athletes showing signs of myocarditis.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody what percentage of Covid negative young, elite athletes show "signs of myocarditis"? Has that test been done using the same criteria used in the cited test?

Exactly.

Or whether "signs of myocarditis" might arise with young healthy adults from other afflictions (and what the standard protocols are for such young adults when it comes to playing sports)?  This is what I mean by trying to discern what is being said (and not said) in any given article.

BTW, I read where the GA State QB said he is not even sure if he has signs of myocarditis or pericarditis (?) - both inflammations, but I suppose of differing magnitude.  Again, I don't really know.

[teejers1]

15% of Covid positive young, elite athletes showing signs of myocarditis.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody what percentage of Covid negative young, elite athletes show "signs of myocarditis"? Has that test been done using the same criteria used in the cited test?

Exactly.

Or whether "signs of myocarditis" might arise with young healthy adults from other afflictions (and what the standard protocols are for such young adults when it comes to playing sports)?  This is what I mean by trying to discern what is being said (and not said) in any given article.

BTW, I read where the GA State QB said he is not even sure if he has signs of myocarditis or pericarditis (?) - both inflammations, but I suppose of differing magnitude.  Again, I don't really know.