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One thing Petros said last night stood out to me: that UO is loaded with transfers, reminiscent of USC. This seems to be a key trend. As long as Stanford is not in the transfer game and takes admissions seriously, it will be greatly out-talented and have much slower team speed than USC, UO, and UCLA, perhaps also Utah. Or do people here believe that the right new coach could make us competitive again?

Yes, Oregon's football team had 21 transfers, USC's had 19.  Stanford probably had about 25 transfer into the entire university.



The transfer pool now makes it less necessary that a coach be a great recruiter or developer of talent, unless by "recruiting" you mean convincing a player who has been recruited and developed by someone else to come to your team instead.

As of Wednesday, 1,738 first-year students and 47 transfer students are matriculating at Stanford.

https://news.stanford.edu/report/2022/09...re-engage/



USC and Oregon both have new coaches this year which probably boosts their transfer in (and out) numbers.  Will be interesting to see if programs have 15-20 transfers a year every year.

NILS worth about $4 Million to Williams and Addison didn’t hurt either.

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Yes, these are good insights, though I don't think dispositive. Just look at all the guys playing fifth and sixth years elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they're all working toward graduate degree progress. Is Renard Bell at Washington State getting a graduate degree (I honestly don't know)? Solomon Tuliaupupu at USC appears to be a fifth year player without a masters program.



You may be right, but I think there's something very David Shaw Stanford Player about making sure you're always working toward a degree. I don't think this is normal. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem to me the landscape accounts for all of it. Much of it, sure, but we bring a lot of this on ourselves.

“but I think there's something very David Shaw Stanford Player about making sure you're always working toward a degree.”



Um, isn’t it very Stanford period to be sure they students are working towards degrees?  I don’t get the comment.

Here's where the comment is coming from: I believe that fifth years for Troy Walters, Steve Stenstrom, Tommy Vardell, Ron George, Glyn Milburn, Chase Beeler, Coby Fleener, Trent Murphy, Richard Sherman, Sione Fua, Derek Hall, Andrew Phillips, Matthew Masifilo, Jeremy Stewart, Chase Thomas, Sam Schwartzstein, Shayne Skov, Ben Gardner, Khalil Wilkes, Kevin Danser, Ryan Hewitt, Henry Anderson, David Parry, AJ Tarpley, Kevin Hogan, Devon Cajuste, Ronnie Harris, and Kevin Anderson were really important for Stanford football. Really important. To think that those guys could only play at Stanford in their fifth years if they happened to be admitted to a Stanford graduate program is baffling to me and would have been the death knell for most of the fond memories most of us have for Stanford football over the last three decades.

It used to be the case players culminated their career in a fifth year. For that now to be much less assured is the case for a variety of reasons. One of them appears to be Stanford football players are always working toward degrees. That has not been the case in Stanford nor college football history. To unilaterally disarm fifth year players is devastating. How many of the above didn't get Stanford masters coterminous with their football careers. A LOT.

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One thing Petros said last night stood out to me: that UO is loaded with transfers, reminiscent of USC. This seems to be a key trend. As long as Stanford is not in the transfer game and takes admissions seriously, it will be greatly out-talented and have much slower team speed than USC, UO, and UCLA, perhaps also Utah. Or do people here believe that the right new coach could make us competitive again?

Yes, Oregon's football team had 21 transfers, USC's had 19.  Stanford probably had about 25 transfer into the entire university.



The transfer pool now makes it less necessary that a coach be a great recruiter or developer of talent, unless by "recruiting" you mean convincing a player who has been recruited and developed by someone else to come to your team instead.

As of Wednesday, 1,738 first-year students and 47 transfer students are matriculating at Stanford.

https://news.stanford.edu/report/2022/09...re-engage/



USC and Oregon both have new coaches this year which probably boosts their transfer in (and out) numbers.  Will be interesting to see if programs have 15-20 transfers a year every year.

NILS worth about $4 Million to Williams and Addison didn’t hurt either.

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Yes, these are good insights, though I don't think dispositive. Just look at all the guys playing fifth and sixth years elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they're all working toward graduate degree progress. Is Renard Bell at Washington State getting a graduate degree (I honestly don't know)? Solomon Tuliaupupu at USC appears to be a fifth year player without a masters program.



You may be right, but I think there's something very David Shaw Stanford Player about making sure you're always working toward a degree. I don't think this is normal. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem to me the landscape accounts for all of it. Much of it, sure, but we bring a lot of this on ourselves.

“but I think there's something very David Shaw Stanford Player about making sure you're always working toward a degree.”



Um, isn’t it very Stanford period to be sure they students are working towards degrees?  I don’t get the comment.

Here's where the comment is coming from: I believe that fifth years for Troy Walters, Steve Stenstrom, Tommy Vardell, Ron George, Glyn Milburn, Chase Beeler, Coby Fleener, Trent Murphy, Richard Sherman, Sione Fua, Derek Hall, Andrew Phillips, Matthew Masifilo, Jeremy Stewart, Chase Thomas, Sam Schwartzstein, Shayne Skov, Ben Gardner, Khalil Wilkes, Kevin Danser, Ryan Hewitt, Henry Anderson, David Parry, AJ Tarpley, Kevin Hogan, Devon Cajuste, Ronnie Harris, and Kevin Anderson were really important for Stanford football. Really important. To think that those guys could only play at Stanford in their fifth years if they happened to be admitted to a Stanford graduate program is baffling to me and would have been the death knell for most of the fond memories most of us have for Stanford football over the last three decades.

It used to be the case players culminated their career in a fifth year. For that now to be much less assured is the case for a variety of reasons. One of them appears to be Stanford football players are always working toward degrees. That has not been the case in Stanford nor college football history. To unilaterally disarm fifth year players is devastating. How many of the above didn't get Stanford masters coterminous with their football careers. A LOT.