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1) when i watch the whole game video linked above - thanks! - at the 6 minute mark i see haley play exactly the same defense, standing midway between the shooter at the 3-point line and aliyah boston. the outside shooter passes in to boston, haley doubles, and boston travels. sometimes the defense worked, sometimes it didn't, but seems clear to me that that defense was called by the coaches, not an error by haley.

watch at 18 min. haley again is playing center field (4 players man, haley in zone). haley doubles boston, boston commits offense foul (elbow to the face, should have been a flagrant 2)

2) as i watch that unfortunate last-minute made 3, i see haley standing just inside the 3-point line and the shooter making the shot from 4 feet behind the line. pretty common for a defense to guard the line and allow the steph curry shot. if you make it, more power to you.

Very different game situations.  4 points up, under 20 seconds left, you don't want to give up a 3-point goal, esp. from a 44% FG% shooter.  Boston was on the 3pt line, not in the block.

"6 minute mark" = Q1 8:19.   Boston is in the block on Jones's side of the court.  The person (#41) Jones is supposed to be guarding is on the 3pt line was a 0 for 4 3pt shooter going into the game.  She gets the ball and Jones stays between her and Boston.  Good play.

"18 minute".  At 17:42 video, Q1 2:42  Stanford up 17-9, Jones's player is left open at the 3pt line and receives a pass.  She(#25) was 2 for 12 for 3pt coming into the game.  She misses the wide-open shot.(long rebound goes to Lepolo) as Jones just stands pretty much where she was at the time the pass was made.

At 18:02 video, Q1 2:22, Stanford up 19-9, Jones was beyond the FT line when the ball is passed in to Boston on the block, guarded by Prechtel.  Jones moves down the center of the lane to restrict Boston's options. Boston throws an elbow in Prechtel's chin as she rotates toward the basket.   This is a totally different situation than the one at the end of the game, so I'm not sure what the point was.

As for that foul, I would call that swinging of the elbow. The elbow was in front of her body when she raised them, and then in line with the shoulders when she struck her opponent. So her elbows rotated faster than her body.

Art. 7. The following shall be considered not only excessive, but extreme, swinging:
a) When arm(s) and elbow(s) are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arm(s) and elbow(s) exceeds that of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot;
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Art. 16. Illegal contact caused by the swinging of the elbow(s) that:
a. Results from total body movement is a personal or intentional foul.
b. Is excessive per Rule 10-6.7 is a disqualifying foul.
c. Occurs above or below the shoulders of an opponent is a personal,
intentional, or disqualifying foul.

 

That said, at that point in the game, I didn't think the foul was worth a flagrant foul.

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1) when i watch the whole game video linked above - thanks! - at the 6 minute mark i see haley play exactly the same defense, standing midway between the shooter at the 3-point line and aliyah boston. the outside shooter passes in to boston, haley doubles, and boston travels. sometimes the defense worked, sometimes it didn't, but seems clear to me that that defense was called by the coaches, not an error by haley.

watch at 18 min. haley again is playing center field (4 players man, haley in zone). haley doubles boston, boston commits offense foul (elbow to the face, should have been a flagrant 2)

2) as i watch that unfortunate last-minute made 3, i see haley standing just inside the 3-point line and the shooter making the shot from 4 feet behind the line. pretty common for a defense to guard the line and allow the steph curry shot. if you make it, more power to you.

Very different game situations.  4 points up, under 20 seconds left, you don't want to give up a 3-point goal, esp. from a 44% FG% shooter.  Boston was on the 3pt line, not in the block.

"6 minute mark" = Q1 8:19.   Boston is in the block on Jones's side of the court.  The person (#41) Jones is supposed to be guarding is on the 3pt line was a 0 for 4 3pt shooter going into the game.  She gets the ball and Jones stays between her and Boston.  Good play.

"18 minute".  At 17:42 video, Q1 2:42  Stanford up 17-9, Jones's player is left open at the 3pt line and receives a pass.  She(#25) was 2 for 12 for 3pt coming into the game.  She misses the wide-open shot.(long rebound goes to Lepolo) as Jones just stands pretty much where she was at the time the pass was made.

At 18:02 video, Q1 2:22, Stanford up 19-9, Jones was beyond the FT line when the ball is passed in to Boston on the block, guarded by Prechtel.  Jones moves down the center of the lane to restrict Boston's options. Boston throws an elbow in Prechtel's chin as she rotates toward the basket.   This is a totally different situation than the one at the end of the game, so I'm not sure what the point was.

As for that foul, I would call that swinging of the elbow. The elbow was in front of her body when she raised them, and then in line with the shoulders when she struck her opponent. So her elbows rotated faster than her body.

Art. 7. The following shall be considered not only excessive, but extreme, swinging:
a) When arm(s) and elbow(s) are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arm(s) and elbow(s) exceeds that of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot;
...
Art. 16. Illegal contact caused by the swinging of the elbow(s) that:
a. Results from total body movement is a personal or intentional foul.
b. Is excessive per Rule 10-6.7 is a disqualifying foul.
c. Occurs above or below the shoulders of an opponent is a personal,
intentional, or disqualifying foul.

 

That said, at that point in the game, I didn't think the foul was worth a flagrant foul.