11-02-2023, 02:00 PM
(11-02-2023, 01:47 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:I agree, but that "backing" isn't 2 trillion per year, or anything close to it. Ukraine is really hurting. Their farmers can't plant in may cases, and then when they harvest, they can't export their products. It seemed you were arguing Russia is going to run out of money to fight this war. They aren't, unfortunately. Ukraine very well might, because it was in worse shape before the war started and has been considerably more impacted economically than Russia.(11-02-2023, 01:37 PM)Goose Wrote:(11-02-2023, 11:39 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: All I know is Russians are now up to 300,000 troops and a staggering amount of vehicles, tanks, and artillery systems lost. The numbers grow every day, and eventually Russia will be worn out. The same can be said for Ukraine, but Ukraine has far more economic might to back it than Russia can conjure.Where in the world did you get the idea "Ukraine has far more economic might to back it than Russia can conjure"? Ukraine was, at the start of the war, the poorest country per capita in Europe. In 2021 Ukraine has a GDP of 200 billion USD. In 2021 Russia had a GDP of 1.551 trillion, i.e 7.5 times that of Ukraine. While both Russia and Ukraine have been impacted by the war, without question Ukraine has suffered a bigger hit. Their projected 2023 GDP is 166 billion, while Russia's will be over 2.2 trillion. It isn't close. Ukraine may get considerable economic aid from it's allies, but it will be nothing like the 2+ trillion USD required to even make them equal.
Money aside, Ukraine has a considerably smaller population than Russia. If it comes down to who runs out of bodies first, it will be Ukraine. That is why Ukraine has to fight "smart". They know the demographics, and they are working to win with that in mind.
Goose, chillax - "to back it" was in reference to all the much more wealthy countries Ukraine can muster to support it than Russia has.
Both sides so far appear to be willing to tolerate economic setbacks and still keep fighting. Originally it was hoped sanctions would impact Russia to the point "they" decided Ukraine wasn't worth it. So far, that shows no sign of happening. The Ukrainian population is suffering considerably from economic conditions. The Russian one is too, but to a much smaller degree. The hope is that the Russian population also has less to gain, and therefore will become dissatisfied much sooner than the Ukrainian population. This is probably not a good bet, but it is possible. Ukraine folding due to economic collapse is, of the two, more probable.
