06-10-2025, 01:07 PM
(06-09-2025, 08:47 PM)Goose Wrote:(06-09-2025, 04:22 PM)BostonCard Wrote: https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-has...025-06-09/I don't believe we would ever see "little green men" in the Baltics. That approach worked in Ukraine because there were a very large number of people in the Donbas that did actually prefer Russia. Thus the "little green men" with no insignia could credibly be locals. That isn't true in the Baltics. The real danger there is that Russia can overwhelm one or more of these countries in a few days, maybe a few hours. Collective defense would be a tough sell facing such a fiat accompli. IMO the BND is correct to question the willingness of the various NATO nations to risk everything in the defense of their neighbor, let alone their neighbor thrice removed.
I hope we are never in a position to answer the question of whether NATO would respond to a “little green men” in Estonia situation.
BC
During the Cold War the assumption was that Article 5 would only be invoked in response to a Russian attack upon some NATO member state. The members were certain the US would respond militarily and in force. The the various members really had little choice but to do the same in those circumstances (although France was a question mark for many years). It was also assumed that Russia would not stop with a "limited" aggression and a general war was unavoidable anyway. Today, since the US participation is far from certain, other NATO countries are performing their calculus. For many years the US preserved the peace by treating Article 5 as a sacred bond. Article 5 actually only requires that each nation will take “such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force.” That is far from a sacred bond. NATO only worked because everyone, including the US, pretended it was. The current administration has removed that pretense. Unfortunately that is a Pandora's box.
https://cepa.org/article/willfully-vague...91EALw_wcB
I am pretty sure today the US would send TV re-runs, not coal oil.
Our less than enthusiastic support of the Article 5 currently is probably very good for Western Europe and they see the need to rebuild their military, England and Germany seem particularly inclined in this direction. While the Baltic States are probably not considered much more than a bump in the road, I wonder how easy it would really be for Russia. They have found making headway in Ukraine far more difficult than they planned despite the fact Ukraine has no real airpower to bother them. By invading the Baltic States I would assume that the combined NATO air forces would be committed to the fray. Something Russia has not had to deal with in the Ukrainian conflict. After watching the Russian efforts the last two years I would have to wonder how they would fare in a conflict with a peer military.
I understand your point about the willingness of the other NATO countries to come to the defense the Baltic States, but I do think the other NATO states would prefer to take the fight to the Russians before they reach their own country. My guess is that the BND probably has a pretty good handle on some of these issues and may well have a good handle on Russian plans.
