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Let's get a real coach. A coach who has won at every level. Like a Kyle Smith. Not a career assistant (Dawkins, Haase, Paye anyone?). This is still a big time job in WBB and we'd be able to attract a good coach.

Just a reminder that there's no magic formula for finding the right coach for Stanford. You can have a coach who was highly successful head coach at school A not be successful at Stanford. 

Jerod Haase was not a career assistant. In fact he coached 4 years at UAB 2012-2016. The year before he started at UAB, the Blazers went 15-16 overall and 9-7 (tied for 5th) in Conference USA. Haase's record at UAB:
2012–13: 16–17 overall, 7–9 conference (7th)
2013–14: 18–13, 7–9 (T–8th)
2014–15: 20–16, 12–6 (T–4th), NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16: 26–7, 16–2 (1st) NIT First Round

I was an undergrad when Stanford hired Tom Davis, who was 100-47 (20-14) at Boston College. His last two years at BC he took the Eagles took the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight! At Stanford however, his teams went 58-59 (25-47) with his best season in 1983-84 when the Cardinal went 19-12 (8-10, tied for 5th in the Pac-10).

In the men's game, there are plenty of examples of first-time head coaches who turned out great: Jim Boeheim at Syracuse, Roy Williams at Kansas, Tom Izzo at Michigan State, Mark Few at Gonzaga (to name a Few). I don't know the women's game nearly as well, but Geno Auriemma has only coached at UConn.

I agree that Stanford can and should attract a good coach. I think we'll know sometime next winter if Kate Paye is that person. But if she's not, we could hire someone with a successful record like Tom Davis--or Jerod Haase, for that matter--and end up even worse off than we were this year. At the least, I want to see what the team looks like after the transfer portal on April 21 before I'm ready to give up on KP.

Nah, Haase was a career assistant in my book. I guess I should have been more clear that I was well-aware of his job at UAB which he got after hitching himself to Roy Williams for, what, a dozen years at least? Then he got a mid-major job and the recruiting bump based on his "name" tied to Kansas and UNC got him some quick early success there. Sure, you have to start somewhere and if he had coached a long time there I'd have viewed him differently.

In any case, you seemed to have glossed over my point that a career assistant (however defined) was a bad, "high risk" hire. Of course there are examples of it working out. Stanford WBB is (now was?) a big name program and we could have sought out a coach with a proven track record of success. That wasn't Haase, not enough years/stops. And it definitely wasn't Paye. It was an unnecessary risk to take at a program of this stature and it's now experiencing the downside of it.

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Let's get a real coach. A coach who has won at every level. Like a Kyle Smith. Not a career assistant (Dawkins, Haase, Paye anyone?). This is still a big time job in WBB and we'd be able to attract a good coach.

Just a reminder that there's no magic formula for finding the right coach for Stanford. You can have a coach who was highly successful head coach at school A not be successful at Stanford. 

Jerod Haase was not a career assistant. In fact he coached 4 years at UAB 2012-2016. The year before he started at UAB, the Blazers went 15-16 overall and 9-7 (tied for 5th) in Conference USA. Haase's record at UAB:
2012–13: 16–17 overall, 7–9 conference (7th)
2013–14: 18–13, 7–9 (T–8th)
2014–15: 20–16, 12–6 (T–4th), NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16: 26–7, 16–2 (1st) NIT First Round

I was an undergrad when Stanford hired Tom Davis, who was 100-47 (20-14) at Boston College. His last two years at BC he took the Eagles took the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight! At Stanford however, his teams went 58-59 (25-47) with his best season in 1983-84 when the Cardinal went 19-12 (8-10, tied for 5th in the Pac-10).

In the men's game, there are plenty of examples of first-time head coaches who turned out great: Jim Boeheim at Syracuse, Roy Williams at Kansas, Tom Izzo at Michigan State, Mark Few at Gonzaga (to name a Few). I don't know the women's game nearly as well, but Geno Auriemma has only coached at UConn.

I agree that Stanford can and should attract a good coach. I think we'll know sometime next winter if Kate Paye is that person. But if she's not, we could hire someone with a successful record like Tom Davis--or Jerod Haase, for that matter--and end up even worse off than we were this year. At the least, I want to see what the team looks like after the transfer portal on April 21 before I'm ready to give up on KP.

Nah, Haase was a career assistant in my book. I guess I should have been more clear that I was well-aware of his job at UAB which he got after hitching himself to Roy Williams for, what, a dozen years at least? Then he got a mid-major job and the recruiting bump based on his "name" tied to Kansas and UNC got him some quick early success there. Sure, you have to start somewhere and if he had coached a long time there I'd have viewed him differently.

In any case, you seemed to have glossed over my point that a career assistant (however defined) was a bad, "high risk" hire. Of course there are examples of it working out. Stanford WBB is (now was?) a big name program and we could have sought out a coach with a proven track record of success. That wasn't Haase, not enough years/stops. And it definitely wasn't Paye. It was an unnecessary risk to take at a program of this stature and it's now experiencing the downside of it.