(06-22-2020, 02:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: More proximally, now the NBA's "bubble" plan may be in jeopardy because of rising cases in Florida:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/flori...bble-plan/
BC
(06-22-2020, 02:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: More proximally, now the NBA's "bubble" plan may be in jeopardy because of rising cases in Florida:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/flori...bble-plan/
BC
(06-22-2020, 08:26 PM)magnus Wrote:Not as worried about pro sports. In theory, one can just pay the players what it takes. Some sports will see the financial benefits of a captive audience and take the risks. Some may even complete their partial seasons, though I don't think any will complete a normal, traditional season with or without fans.(06-22-2020, 02:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: More proximally, now the NBA's "bubble" plan may be in jeopardy because of rising cases in Florida:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/flori...bble-plan/
BC
It's hard to see any sport making it through a complete season this year.
(06-22-2020, 08:26 PM)magnus Wrote:Not as worried about pro sports. In theory, one can just pay the players what it takes. Some sports will see the financial benefits of a captive audience and take the risks. Some may even complete their partial seasons, though I don't think any will complete a normal, traditional season with or without fans.(06-22-2020, 02:46 PM)BostonCard Wrote: More proximally, now the NBA's "bubble" plan may be in jeopardy because of rising cases in Florida:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/flori...bble-plan/
BC
It's hard to see any sport making it through a complete season this year.
(06-23-2020, 08:46 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Even if a school is doing great work on testing, PPE distribution and social distancing, it can all be ruined by a soccer team returning from a road game in Tempe, Houston, Birmingham or even Los Angeles.I wondered what the case count per capita was for the cities you mentioned. "even Los Angeles" is the worst in terms of cumulative confirmed case count. Active cases now, or in the fall, is a different matter.
(06-23-2020, 08:46 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Even if a school is doing great work on testing, PPE distribution and social distancing, it can all be ruined by a soccer team returning from a road game in Tempe, Houston, Birmingham or even Los Angeles.I wondered what the case count per capita was for the cities you mentioned. "even Los Angeles" is the worst in terms of cumulative confirmed case count. Active cases now, or in the fall, is a different matter.
(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2940...ound-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2940...ound-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
(07-03-2020, 08:40 PM)needle Wrote:Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
Disagree. Compared to a week ago, I'm more inclined to think football will happen this fall:
a.) Lack of strong opposition from players. I really thought we'd hear of many stories similar to what occurred at UCLA (players demanding independent health monitoring). Hasn't happened. If it does, this is when I'll start to think seriously that football won't happen.
b.) Many, many economies affected if there is a true cancellation of football: university budgets, college town gameday revenues, ESPN and other networks, jersey merch, etc. These hungry mouths are not silent behind the scenes.
c.) No vocal opponent with a high Q rating. There has not yet been a retired athlete or coach with tremendous name recognition come out and say playing football is bad. Give Paul Finebaum some credit, as he's been willing to have guests on who are openly stating that CFB is not looking like a safe bet. But these guests are not household names.
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/127...3155640323
(07-03-2020, 08:40 PM)needle Wrote:Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
Disagree. Compared to a week ago, I'm more inclined to think football will happen this fall:
a.) Lack of strong opposition from players. I really thought we'd hear of many stories similar to what occurred at UCLA (players demanding independent health monitoring). Hasn't happened. If it does, this is when I'll start to think seriously that football won't happen.
b.) Many, many economies affected if there is a true cancellation of football: university budgets, college town gameday revenues, ESPN and other networks, jersey merch, etc. These hungry mouths are not silent behind the scenes.
c.) No vocal opponent with a high Q rating. There has not yet been a retired athlete or coach with tremendous name recognition come out and say playing football is bad. Give Paul Finebaum some credit, as he's been willing to have guests on who are openly stating that CFB is not looking like a safe bet. But these guests are not household names.
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/127...3155640323
(07-03-2020, 09:07 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 08:40 PM)needle Wrote:Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
Disagree. Compared to a week ago, I'm more inclined to think football will happen this fall:
a.) Lack of strong opposition from players. I really thought we'd hear of many stories similar to what occurred at UCLA (players demanding independent health monitoring). Hasn't happened. If it does, this is when I'll start to think seriously that football won't happen.
b.) Many, many economies affected if there is a true cancellation of football: university budgets, college town gameday revenues, ESPN and other networks, jersey merch, etc. These hungry mouths are not silent behind the scenes.
c.) No vocal opponent with a high Q rating. There has not yet been a retired athlete or coach with tremendous name recognition come out and say playing football is bad. Give Paul Finebaum some credit, as he's been willing to have guests on who are openly stating that CFB is not looking like a safe bet. But these guests are not household names.
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/127...3155640323
The "catch" was that very early in the process Mark Emmert commented that the NCAA should not have sports if students are not attending classes on campus.
So using that logic the CSUs, USC and UCLA should not have fall sports this year. Hate to sound California centric, but it will be tough for the Pac-12 to have a season if that set of schools is not playing.
If students are not on campus, the NCAA just won't be able to have STUDENT-athletes playing games. If the hybrid and online only model spreads the seasons will be cancelled or postponed.
Most schools announced in May and early June that they would open for the fall, but they were using projections with less than 20 daily deaths nationwide by early August. We are off that trajectory, so look for more schools to announce revisions to plans like USC.
Risk of travel is becoming clear....even to POTUS I suspect/hope.
POTUS administration continues to announce that more and more of the Secret Service agents have tested positive for COVID in advance of the MAGA rally. The recent MAGA rally trips have also included a few members of the Trump's election campaign testing positive too.
And tonight we discovered that Kimberly Guilfoyle joined the positive test group. She is Jr's girlfriend and part of that POTUS administration re-election campaign. She traveled to Oklahoma, Arizona and South Dakota for the various rallies. Hope she does well but her situation hints at the challenges of trying to travel the USA while COVID is thriving.
Her back story is not really critical for this board. My point is team Trump can't even avoid COVID in circles that close to POTUS despite all of the testing and precautions. It is very, very hard to imagine your average NCAA team that travels on commercial airlines for road contests would successful avoid a COVID outbreak for a full season given Team Trump's lack of success with its last three road trips.
(07-03-2020, 09:07 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 08:40 PM)needle Wrote:Quote:I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
Disagree. Compared to a week ago, I'm more inclined to think football will happen this fall:
a.) Lack of strong opposition from players. I really thought we'd hear of many stories similar to what occurred at UCLA (players demanding independent health monitoring). Hasn't happened. If it does, this is when I'll start to think seriously that football won't happen.
b.) Many, many economies affected if there is a true cancellation of football: university budgets, college town gameday revenues, ESPN and other networks, jersey merch, etc. These hungry mouths are not silent behind the scenes.
c.) No vocal opponent with a high Q rating. There has not yet been a retired athlete or coach with tremendous name recognition come out and say playing football is bad. Give Paul Finebaum some credit, as he's been willing to have guests on who are openly stating that CFB is not looking like a safe bet. But these guests are not household names.
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/127...3155640323
The "catch" was that very early in the process Mark Emmert commented that the NCAA should not have sports if students are not attending classes on campus.
So using that logic the CSUs, USC and UCLA should not have fall sports this year. Hate to sound California centric, but it will be tough for the Pac-12 to have a season if that set of schools is not playing.
If students are not on campus, the NCAA just won't be able to have STUDENT-athletes playing games. If the hybrid and online only model spreads the seasons will be cancelled or postponed.
Most schools announced in May and early June that they would open for the fall, but they were using projections with less than 20 daily deaths nationwide by early August. We are off that trajectory, so look for more schools to announce revisions to plans like USC.
Risk of travel is becoming clear....even to POTUS I suspect/hope.
POTUS administration continues to announce that more and more of the Secret Service agents have tested positive for COVID in advance of the MAGA rally. The recent MAGA rally trips have also included a few members of the Trump's election campaign testing positive too.
And tonight we discovered that Kimberly Guilfoyle joined the positive test group. She is Jr's girlfriend and part of that POTUS administration re-election campaign. She traveled to Oklahoma, Arizona and South Dakota for the various rallies. Hope she does well but her situation hints at the challenges of trying to travel the USA while COVID is thriving.
Her back story is not really critical for this board. My point is team Trump can't even avoid COVID in circles that close to POTUS despite all of the testing and precautions. It is very, very hard to imagine your average NCAA team that travels on commercial airlines for road contests would successful avoid a COVID outbreak for a full season given Team Trump's lack of success with its last three road trips.
(07-03-2020, 07:08 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2940...ound-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/na...373941002/
This one touches NASCAR as they are preparing to race in Indy this weekend. That will bring awareness to two different key battleground geographies.
The President can say whatever he wants, but if NASCAR drivers can't race that will tell a key portion of his base that this virus is still a problem.
Sounds like Jimmy is doing OK, which is good to hear.
(07-03-2020, 07:08 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2940...ound-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/na...373941002/
This one touches NASCAR as they are preparing to race in Indy this weekend. That will bring awareness to two different key battleground geographies.
The President can say whatever he wants, but if NASCAR drivers can't race that will tell a key portion of his base that this virus is still a problem.
Sounds like Jimmy is doing OK, which is good to hear.
Quote: “Mr. President, that’s not the first time we’ve heard that question, I can promise you,” St. John said to laughter from the room. “We are planning to play the season at the University of Alabama. We understand that creates great difficulties and complexities and we’re hoping for that. It’s important to a lot of people. We’ll do our best on that one.”
Quote: “Mr. President, that’s not the first time we’ve heard that question, I can promise you,” St. John said to laughter from the room. “We are planning to play the season at the University of Alabama. We understand that creates great difficulties and complexities and we’re hoping for that. It’s important to a lot of people. We’ll do our best on that one.”
(07-04-2020, 11:49 PM)teejers1 Wrote:NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.(07-03-2020, 07:08 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2940...ound-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/na...373941002/
This one touches NASCAR as they are preparing to race in Indy this weekend. That will bring awareness to two different key battleground geographies.
The President can say whatever he wants, but if NASCAR drivers can't race that will tell a key portion of his base that this virus is still a problem.
Sounds like Jimmy is doing OK, which is good to hear.
Game changer? In what way?
It's like you have to read the Golf Channel to read that Rory McIlroy, when asked if the Tour should shut down after one or two players tested positive said, "that would be silly" (or words to that effect). Same with NASCAR and the positive-testing driver, who is asymptomatic, "feels great' and doesn't know how he was infected (which I imagine is true for the vast majority of folks who have had - and will have - the virus).
P.S. I'll just tuck this point in here about pro athletes questioning "the safety" of returning to work. First, absolutely, don't compete if you do not want to for whatever reason - definitely including safety - provided you forfeit your compensation (which seems eminently fair/reasonable). Second, when athletes talk about safety, they really should be talking about the incremental risk of competing versus what they are doing now. It strains credulity to think that playing in a bubble environment with others who have been tested/cleared is more risky than what they are doiing now. The typical safety risk highlighted is "yeah, well non-NBA players can come in and out of the bubble," and that is likely true. But how is that risk any greater than what they are facing now (unless you believe that none of these players have any interaction with anyone outside the home).
P.P.S. Don't you think it's plausible that some of those making noise about competing are really more concerned about having to be in the bubble? Again, that's a legit complaint in its own right, but it doesn't have anything to do with safety. In fact, quite the opposite.
(07-04-2020, 11:49 PM)teejers1 Wrote:NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.(07-03-2020, 07:08 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(07-03-2020, 02:28 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Just in: 31 MLB players positive for coronavirus after first round of tests. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2940...ound-testsThere was a real game changer of a positive test today.
I think reasonable people agree that Football will not happen this year.
But too many are still holding out hope for the NBA and MLB. It just seems wrong that they haven't called off their planned seasons (restart or not).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/na...373941002/
This one touches NASCAR as they are preparing to race in Indy this weekend. That will bring awareness to two different key battleground geographies.
The President can say whatever he wants, but if NASCAR drivers can't race that will tell a key portion of his base that this virus is still a problem.
Sounds like Jimmy is doing OK, which is good to hear.
Game changer? In what way?
It's like you have to read the Golf Channel to read that Rory McIlroy, when asked if the Tour should shut down after one or two players tested positive said, "that would be silly" (or words to that effect). Same with NASCAR and the positive-testing driver, who is asymptomatic, "feels great' and doesn't know how he was infected (which I imagine is true for the vast majority of folks who have had - and will have - the virus).
P.S. I'll just tuck this point in here about pro athletes questioning "the safety" of returning to work. First, absolutely, don't compete if you do not want to for whatever reason - definitely including safety - provided you forfeit your compensation (which seems eminently fair/reasonable). Second, when athletes talk about safety, they really should be talking about the incremental risk of competing versus what they are doing now. It strains credulity to think that playing in a bubble environment with others who have been tested/cleared is more risky than what they are doiing now. The typical safety risk highlighted is "yeah, well non-NBA players can come in and out of the bubble," and that is likely true. But how is that risk any greater than what they are facing now (unless you believe that none of these players have any interaction with anyone outside the home).
P.P.S. Don't you think it's plausible that some of those making noise about competing are really more concerned about having to be in the bubble? Again, that's a legit complaint in its own right, but it doesn't have anything to do with safety. In fact, quite the opposite.
(07-08-2020, 08:24 AM)Farm93 Wrote: NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.
Jimmy Johnson isn't just a driver in NASCAR, he is the most successful active driver on the circuit with more wins than any other active driver.
Jimmy is not complaining about living in a NASCAR bubble...he tested positive for the virus.
That was the "game changer" part. A healthy, wealthy, and successful race car driver racing in southern states got COVID. This is not some liberal broadway or hollywood actor, he is a NASCAR racer. To a Trump supporter living in the South this one hit closer to home, a game changer.
He is doing better now, so that's good for him.
(07-08-2020, 08:24 AM)Farm93 Wrote: NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.
Jimmy Johnson isn't just a driver in NASCAR, he is the most successful active driver on the circuit with more wins than any other active driver.
Jimmy is not complaining about living in a NASCAR bubble...he tested positive for the virus.
That was the "game changer" part. A healthy, wealthy, and successful race car driver racing in southern states got COVID. This is not some liberal broadway or hollywood actor, he is a NASCAR racer. To a Trump supporter living in the South this one hit closer to home, a game changer.
He is doing better now, so that's good for him.
Quote:I think it would probably take the death or at least severe illness of a high profile, young, otherwise healthy individual for it to really be a "game changer".
Quote:I think it would probably take the death or at least severe illness of a high profile, young, otherwise healthy individual for it to really be a "game changer".
(07-08-2020, 11:08 AM)teejers1 Wrote:NASCAR more impressionable than College Football cases?(07-08-2020, 08:24 AM)Farm93 Wrote: NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.
Jimmy Johnson isn't just a driver in NASCAR, he is the most successful active driver on the circuit with more wins than any other active driver.
Jimmy is not complaining about living in a NASCAR bubble...he tested positive for the virus.
That was the "game changer" part. A healthy, wealthy, and successful race car driver racing in southern states got COVID. This is not some liberal broadway or hollywood actor, he is a NASCAR racer. To a Trump supporter living in the South this one hit closer to home, a game changer.
He is doing better now, so that's good for him.
Never thought of it that way . . . so you think one headline NASCAR driver being infected has more impact than 30+ Clemson football players on the psyche of the southern sports fan? Could be . . .
BTW, do you also believe that Southern folks (let's just pick South Carolina and Florida - hot spots) are seeing a rise in infections because "they believe everything Trump tells them about Covid and that it's nothing to be concerned about" - as opposed to being tired of SiP or less-than-careful about being smart due to other considerations? That seems a bit extreme (and doesn't give much independent thought credit to Southerners). But I do agree that Trump's desultory messaging has been a hindrance to limiting virus spread.
(07-08-2020, 11:08 AM)teejers1 Wrote:NASCAR more impressionable than College Football cases?(07-08-2020, 08:24 AM)Farm93 Wrote: NASCAR is based in The South and let's just say many of NASCAR's most enthusiastic fans also are very fond of bright red baseball caps. The willingness to trust and believe everything President Trump is pitching on COVID would be shaken quite a bit if NASCAR had a COVID outbreak.
Jimmy Johnson isn't just a driver in NASCAR, he is the most successful active driver on the circuit with more wins than any other active driver.
Jimmy is not complaining about living in a NASCAR bubble...he tested positive for the virus.
That was the "game changer" part. A healthy, wealthy, and successful race car driver racing in southern states got COVID. This is not some liberal broadway or hollywood actor, he is a NASCAR racer. To a Trump supporter living in the South this one hit closer to home, a game changer.
He is doing better now, so that's good for him.
Never thought of it that way . . . so you think one headline NASCAR driver being infected has more impact than 30+ Clemson football players on the psyche of the southern sports fan? Could be . . .
BTW, do you also believe that Southern folks (let's just pick South Carolina and Florida - hot spots) are seeing a rise in infections because "they believe everything Trump tells them about Covid and that it's nothing to be concerned about" - as opposed to being tired of SiP or less-than-careful about being smart due to other considerations? That seems a bit extreme (and doesn't give much independent thought credit to Southerners). But I do agree that Trump's desultory messaging has been a hindrance to limiting virus spread.
